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The Walking Dead Season 5 - Official discussion thread

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Jeeebus said:
Umm, as the newly appointed law man in town - confront him? Investigate the matter? Arrest and interrogate him? Isolate the kid and talk to him?
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Yeah, but that's not the reality they live in. You either need to step up or you risk death. Technically they shouldn't kill off an asset as valuable as a doctor, but then again, they already have to fight zombies & other humans, so they don't really have the time or energy to deal with petty crap like beating the few humans that are left in the world. So I can see where Rick & Carol are coming from...it's a "solve the problem" world that they live in, and then move on.
 
Phoenix86 said:
Interesting how Rick's group are the bad guys this season.
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dank69 said:
It seems to me that only Rick and Carol have crossed the line to malicious, and just barely at that.
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You know, initially I thought that Rick was essentially becoming the Governor, but upon reflection, he's really doing what's best for the town. If they take the town, the townspeople will be safe. They are very naive & are living off borrowed time, until a tornado rips down the fence, or an invading gang takes them out, or one of their people dies in their sleep, comes back as a zombie, and eats everyone at night. Honestly they are living in a very stupid way based on how the zombie world is right now. No sniper lookout in the tower, no 2-person patrols 24/7, no reinforcement from the inside of the wall to prevent tipping, no protection on the outside of the wall from climbing in (the Enid girl scaled the strut pretty easily).

Carol came off as horrible to the kid, but he deserves getting a wake-up call to the real world, because eventually he is going to have to deal with it. And the reality is that the zombies WILL eat you mercilessly. She tried to protect her daughter & failed, and the same with the other two girls under her care. She's done treating children like you would in the past world. So while initially her talk was terrible, it's a good thing in the long-run because she's not dancing around the issues. I think it's pretty interesting that they wrote them as "going bad", but over the course of this half of the season, we're seeing it's really for their own good...they toy with zombies, they have no patrol watches, they have a wifebeater in town, they have a crappy methodology for dealing with zombie encounters (run & save yourself!!)...it's time for them to step it up, and Rick & Carol are going to be the ones to make them do it.
 
I think in the last 2 episodes we will see the fall of the town. The design of the wall itself gives away the story. I don't think Rick and Carol will do anything evil, but yes I too believe that they will do bad things to protect to town once shaka when the walls fell
 
Kaido said:
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Great analysis (In two posts). Killing the doctor is going to get them kicked out. They will save the town from the wolves from the outside. A good three-way conflict makes for a good show.
Ichinisan said:
... I don't really follow this show, but...
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Gotcha, trolling on a low budget zombie cartoon.
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I'm thinking they will leave the town intact but wiser and more prepared. There will be mutual respect but differing paths. It would be a great change of pace if not every group they encounter is destroyed or "evil", as previously posted.
 
Kushina said:
So is he becoming Shane?
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And, as previously stated by myself and others, Shane had the proper mentality. He was willing to kill Rick because he saw him as a threat to the safety of the group. Rick now realizes that is the only way to actually survive. Let's look at what Shane did, in regards to getting the stuff to save Carl after he was shot. Either that fat guy died and Carl lived, or both Shane and the fat guy died alone with Carl later on. Rick would absolutely make the same choice now that Shane made, and he is making it in regards to Alexandria.


The entire town of Alexandria piss me off. They are a bunch of cowards and I actually hope Rick does a hostile take over.
 
DesiPower said:
I think in the last 2 episodes we will see the fall of the town. The design of the wall itself gives away the story. I don't think Rick and Carol will do anything evil, but yes I too believe that they will do bad things to protect to town once shaka when the walls fell
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The wall is fine vs zombies, people not so much
 
Why don't they go to Academy and get those steel mesh suits that protect divers from sharks? That should be plenty for those silly zombies.
 
ctbaars said:
Great analysis (In two posts). Killing the doctor is going to get them kicked out. They will save the town from the wolves from the outside. A good three-way conflict makes for a good show.
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Post-lunch discussion at work:

1. Rick can't kill the Doctor, it would obviously ruin the relationship with Mrs. Haircutter. However, there are two foreseeable options: one, he dies when stuff goes down in town (Wolves or someone dies in-town & feasts or whatever), two, his wife kills him. Two options there: she gets revenge on him for beating her, or he turns out to be a pedophile, in which case her killing him becomes much more justified. I know they killed Buttons the horse with zombies like they did in the first season, but they already killed Carol's husband that way, so it would be crazier if she took him out. Then it wouldn't be Rick killer her son's father, it would be her taking control of her life. But if she does do that, then the entire town loses an enormous asset, because there hasn't been a doctor since Hershel.

2. Darryl & Aaron are out scouting for new recruits. If they let the ROTC's curly-hair buddy out (we've taken to calling him Weasel, haha), he may defect with the other expelled citizens & then lead the Wolves to the town. So we're thinking that Darryl & Aaron will run into Morgan & pull a Carol by saving the town from the baddies like she did in Terminus.

3. Eugene & Abraham are still alive. Judith (the baby) holds the key to the cure, since she was born post-outbreak, so maybe Eugene can extract some antibodies that cures people; at the very, least, fixes it so if they die, they don't come back to life. Eugene is becoming a bigger part of the show - he just stepped up to save Tara instead of chickening out & leaving the group - but it doesn't feel like they're going to kill him off, at least not like Beth.
 
GrumpyMan said:
Why don't they go to Academy and get those steel mesh suits that protect divers from sharks? That should be plenty for those silly zombies.
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There's a lot of stuff you just have to gloss over in this show. Personally I'd be wearing a dress made out of Morgan's spike-traps from the munitions town a couple seasons ago 😀

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Or, why don't they just cover themselves in zombie blood & guts wherever they go? Or do what Michonne did & keep a couple jawless, armless walkers on chains? Doing gross things is definitely preferred over dying. But, you know, plot 😉
 
GagHalfrunt said:
Which has been the theme of the season, or at least the guiding tenet of the groups entrance into Alexandria. People are now a bigger problem than the zombies are.
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Oh definitely, maybe a herd would be a problem though....anyone else catch this?

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smackababy said:
And, as previously stated by myself and others, Shane had the proper mentality. He was willing to kill Rick because he saw him as a threat to the safety of the group. Rick now realizes that is the only way to actually survive. Let's look at what Shane did, in regards to getting the stuff to save Carl after he was shot. Either that fat guy died and Carl lived, or both Shane and the fat guy died alone with Carl later on. Rick would absolutely make the same choice now that Shane made, and he is making it in regards to Alexandria.


The entire town of Alexandria piss me off. They are a bunch of cowards and I actually hope Rick does a hostile take over.
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I'll have to take another look but Shane's entire problem was he didn't give people a chance and was too quick to jump the gun. This is making me wonder if I'm an idiot 😕.
 
Kushina said:
I'll have to take another look but Shane's entire problem was he didn't give people a chance and was too quick to jump the gun. This is making me wonder if I'm an idiot 😕.
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And I think that's what is going to differentiate Rick from Shane this season - he's going to have the chance to kill the wife-beating doctor, but he won't - he's still a sheriff & he's trying to help Deanna build the community. Shane had a scorched-earth policy: you fall in line, or you die. Totally alpha-dog mentality.

Shane would have been good as like the leader of the Wolf gang because of that.
 
Kaido said:
... Judith (the baby) holds the key to the cure, since she was born post-outbreak, so maybe Eugene can extract some antibodies that cures people; at the very, least, fixes it so if they die, they don't come back to life. Eugene is becoming a bigger part of the show - he just stepped up to save Tara instead of chickening out & leaving the group - but it doesn't feel like they're going to kill him off, at least not like Beth.
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Judith doesn't hold any key. Everyone is infected. On top of that, Eugene is a techie at best. You expect him to be a microbiologist?
 
smackababy said:
And, as previously stated by myself and others, Shane had the proper mentality. He was willing to kill Rick because he saw him as a threat to the safety of the group. Rick now realizes that is the only way to actually survive. Let's look at what Shane did, in regards to getting the stuff to save Carl after he was shot. Either that fat guy died and Carl lived, or both Shane and the fat guy died alone with Carl later on. Rick would absolutely make the same choice now that Shane made, and he is making it in regards to Alexandria.


The entire town of Alexandria piss me off. They are a bunch of cowards and I actually hope Rick does a hostile take over.
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It seemed to me that they had already escaped and Shane didn't really need to kill Otis. (It was Otis, right? I forget)
 
dank69 said:
It seemed to me that they had already escaped and Shane didn't really need to kill Otis. (It was Otis, right? I forget)
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No. Both of them were injured and slow, with walkers closing in quick. Shane made the decision to sacrifice Otis (shooting him in the leg) so save Carl.

Rick is at that point already. If you guys remember, in Breaking Bad, where Mike explains to Walk about "no more half measures". Rick is there. He won't let anyone potentially a threat live any more. Not after what happened to Bob and Terminus. The group talked him out of going back and finishing the job and it bit them in the ass. Nobody in charge (Daryl, Rick or Carol) are going to let that happen again. Sasha is going to be behind them as well.
 
smackababy said:
No. Both of them were injured and slow, with walkers closing in quick. Shane made the decision to sacrifice Otis (shooting him in the leg) so save Carl.

Rick is at that point already. If you guys remember, in Breaking Bad, where Mike explains to Walk about "no more half measures". Rick is there. He won't let anyone potentially a threat live any more. Not after what happened to Bob and Terminus. The group talked him out of going back and finishing the job and it bit them in the ass. Nobody in charge (Daryl, Rick or Carol) are going to let that happen again. Sasha is going to be behind them as well.
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They should have done the same thing with that dickhead in the turnstyle. Again why you save one shot.
 
smackababy said:
No. Both of them were injured and slow, with walkers closing in quick. Shane made the decision to sacrifice Otis (shooting him in the leg) so save Carl.

Rick is at that point already. If you guys remember, in Breaking Bad, where Mike explains to Walk about "no more half measures". Rick is there. He won't let anyone potentially a threat live any more. Not after what happened to Bob and Terminus. The group talked him out of going back and finishing the job and it bit them in the ass. Nobody in charge (Daryl, Rick or Carol) are going to let that happen again. Sasha is going to be behind them as well.
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Since we have both brought up that episode of Breaking Bad in relation to this episode of The Walking Dead, I might as well go ahead and link it:
http://youtu.be/EIG7VvngUK4
 
pontifex said:
The Reserve Officers' Training Corps (ROTC) is a college-based program for training commissioned officers of the United States Armed Forces.

He's talking about Deanna's son, Aiden.
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Did someone in the show give him the nickname ROTC? Or is it something anandtech made up?
 
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