The Unofficial Memory Foam/Visco Elastic/NASA Pillow Thread

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1969Z28

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It is a joke about the wife. If you had 20+ years of "marital bliss" you would know what I mean.
What are people paying for the 3" pads (queen size) off of Ebay with shipping?
 

Braxus

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Been reading this thread and think it's about time I get one of these pillows as I recently got a 20% off coupon at BB&B. :)

Is the 99.99 (79.99) Tempur-pedic pillow worth the extra $40 over the 59.99 (47.99) Isotonic ones? BB&B seems to have two versions of the Isotonic pillows... One is your regular formed "oval" type and the other one they had was sorta contoured. Think the names were Isotonic and Isoperfect or something.

Any recommendations? :)
 

Furor

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I got my sample from foamorder.net, it is REALLY nice..nicer than my eggcrate one, too bad it's about the size of a baseball :( When I put in the size on the foamorder.net it comes to abuot $50, i'd rather stay around $35..Memoryfoam.net has a pillow for $30.00 including shipping..anyone know how that stuff is? So.. what are the best pillows to order online? How are those smartbargains ones, Atrac? :)
 

clarkmo

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Probably more than you need to know

From an ebay merchant:The Memory Foam SUPERSTORE

So all memory foams are not the same, correct ? That is correct. Every manufacturer has it?s own recipe ! The product which we sell, is our own special formulation in which high-density (4 pound) visco-elastic foam with just the right degree of compression (our little secret ! ) makes for the most resilient, high quality and comfortable pad that we know of. Whether buying memory foam or any other type foam product it can be tricky. Tricky because, as you will learn later, there are two factors involved in evaluating the quality, feel and durability of foam. Density and compression. Low-density foam pads are just that. Low density: Not much mass. Not much weight. More air than foam. For example, the foam used to line a computer case or camera bag is firm but yet very lightweight. This foam has been designed for impact not continued support of weight. This foam is high in compression but low in density. This helps to explain why the cheap foam mattress pads purchased at discount houses and department stores usually don?t work very well or last very long. They are cheap for a reason. You?re buying a lot of hot air.

Compression ? What?s that ? Compression is mainly what determines the firmness of a particular piece of foam. It is the ratio of a foam?s ability to support force at different levels. It may also be described as the ILD (Indentation Load Deflection). It is generally measured as the force (in pounds) required to compress a 50-inch indentor foot into a 4-inch thick sample to 25% of its overall height. Compression simply determines the degree of firmness of the product.

So what is density ? Density is a measurement of the mass per cubic unit volume. It is measured and expressed in pounds per cubic foot (pcf) or kilograms per cubic meter (Kg/m3 ). Density is largely the determining factor in judging the quality of foam products. The lower the density the lower the quality, thus reducing the durability and the life expectancy of the product. However, some foams are densified by loading them. This occurs when some manufacturers "load" their foam with additives such as chalk dust, marble dust, barium sulfate, clay or purified sand from oil field drilling operations. These inorganic materials are added when the foam is in its liquid state. These fillers are not chemically bonded to the polymers; instead, they are mechanically trapped within the molecular structure of the foam. Loaded or filled foams are most always weak in strength and durability. If you?ve ever owned a sofa or foam mattress, which really flattened out and became dusty and gritty when it broke down, it was most likely loaded foam. Buyers of memory foam pads should be wary of these type products and there are some on the market today. None of the foam products we sell are loaded or filled in any way, we only sell premium first quality.


Is a memory foam mattress topper what I really need ? If your existing mattress has broken springs poking through or an extreme sag, a memory foam mattress pad will help but you probably need a new mattress as well. If your mattress is in relatively good shape but just too hard, you?re an excellent candidate for one of our 3 inch or 4 inch memory foam mattress toppers. It just may save you the expensive cost of replacing the entire set and give you the best pillow top mattress in town. (for a fraction of the cost).

Which thickness is right for me ? Tempur-pedic?s © formula for their premium quality mattresses, calls for 3 inches of memory foam laminated to 5 inches of high-density polyurethane foam. Less than 3 inch pads have not been very popular with our customers locally or nationally. With their huge success worldwide, 3 inch memory foam has become the standard for most buyers of memory foam, attempting to duplicate the Tempur-pedic © feel. However, our exclusive 4-inch memory foam mattress toppers are designed for those looking for that extra inch of softness to sink their hips and shoulders into. Heavier sleepers might consider this option.

What are the benefits of sleeping on memory foam ? Memory foam is hypoallergenic (as are other polyurethane?s). Temperature responsive, as the product warms and molds to your body. An excellent reliever of pressure points (terrrific for side sleepers who experience numbing in the shoulders and arms as well as those who spend extended periods of time in bed). Studies have proven that sleeping on this type product significantly reduces tossing and turning. It is simply much more comfortable than sleeping on a conventional innerspring mattress while adding needed support to the lower regions of the back. Whether you sleep on your side, stomach or back a 3-inch memory foam mattress pad will most certainly bring to you the much needed additional softness and support you are looking for. Thousands of consumers worldwide who experience an array of back ailments ranging from herniated or ruptured discs, Sciatica, Fibromyalgia as well as a host of other problems, have testified as to the benefits of sleeping on memory foam. We do not claim that sleeping on a memory foam pad will cure any bodily ailment or any medical condition. However, in many cases it undoubtably offers much relief. For those without back problems, a 3 inch memory foam mattress topper will dramatically change the way your existing innerspring, water, air or foam mattress feels, as your body gently sinks into our luxurious soft memory foam. Back problems or not, you?ll love it !

What about allergies ? All polyurethane foam is hypoallergenic. However, much misinformation is circulating around the internet, ebay and the market place in general regarding memory foam?s ability to resist dust mites as well as anti-fungal and anti-bacterial claims. We are unaware of any chemical additive being produced today which will continually repel and kill dust mites. With regard to the anti-fungal and anti-bacterial claims, chemicals like formaldehyde and others may be added to foam to give it those characteristics. Our experience has been that the trade off for adding these temporarily active chemicals to the foam, versus the potential allergic reaction to the chemical odor or presence of it, is not worth it from a manufacturing or consumer standpoint.

I thought this was interesting. It looks like buying from here or Mark's 1/2 price bedding would be ok.


 

dezigner1

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I've been following this thread since it first cropped up. I've been in search of the perfect pillow for over 2 years and have probably spent too much money on (good ones, supposedly!) pillows that won't further aggravate problems I have with neck and shoulder strain. FYI: I finally did ask after spending lots of $$ at BBB on several different pillows if I could exchange for one that would hopefully live up to it's label claims. CS was very nice and said sure as long as I bring it and the receipt back within 30 days of purchasing, they would refund or exchange because they stand behind all of their merchandise. I was very impressed with this. It wound up returning two pillows because I didn't want to look too foolish after having bought about 6 different ones that I could tell after 3 nights on each that they would not be comfortable for me. Anyway, they said they return them to the manufacturers - not restock them. This might be handy knowledge for some of you who really want to spring for the more expensive Swedish pillow but aren't fully convinced that it won't be a waste of money.

So my latest purchase is Dr. Ho?s HoFun Sleep Well Pillow from HSN.com. They don't show much info about the pillow so I did a search to find more info. It is made of visco-elastic foam and has a thermal pocket on the neck support area that can hold hot and cold packs. on that site it's listing for sale at $80, HSN has it on special for $35.50 + 5.95 shipping. Great deal too for those of you who haven't bought from them before - there are a few coupon codes floating around for HSN for first time customers.

I just ordered this 2 days ago, so I'll let you know how it goes after I receive it and have the chance to test it out. Wish me luck!
 

UltraWide

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i tried 3 tempur pedic products. 5in thick, 4in thick classic, and 3in regular. I did NOT like any of them. the 4 and 5in ones were too thick and the 3in one was too thin, but had the nicest "feel". I don't know what else to try... I don't mind the price, but a lot of the stuff doesn't seem to be better than tempur-pedic.

i went ahead and ordered the 3in thick 4lb. mattress pad from e*bay. it was $90+20 shipping and a free pillow.
i am still waiting to find a good pillow.... maybe the mattress pad will suffice until then??

browsing around on google i found some 6lb density foam: http://www.vitalityweb.com/backstore/mattressindex.html
 

Idex

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I went ahead and ordered the Dr. Ho Fun Pillow from HSN for 17.68 shipped. I figured I couldn't go wrong for that price since the cheapy pillow from CampingWorld was around 15 bucks or so. If I don't like it i'll use it as a seat cushion.

Altrec, I don't have any other pillows to compare this to. If you want, I'll show you this pillow so you can compare it to the other one's you have. Let me know.

 

jasonja

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Wow.. that website has 8" thick mattresses of 4, 5, and 6lb density. Pretty expensive but still a fraction of the real Tempur-Pedic mattress prices.

Oh nevermind.. it's 5" of crap foam with a 3" memory foam glued to it. They do have nice Terry Cloth covers for sale for your Ebay pads. $55 for a nice cover isn't too bad.
 

Atrac

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Originally posted by: Idex
I went ahead and ordered the Dr. Ho Fun Pillow from HSN for 17.68 shipped. I figured I couldn't go wrong for that price since the cheapy pillow from CampingWorld was around 15 bucks or so. If I don't like it i'll use it as a seat cushion.

Altrec, I don't have any other pillows to compare this to. If you want, I'll show you this pillow so you can compare it to the other one's you have. Let me know.

Hmmmm....are you talking about me? ;)

 

Atrac

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Heh heh, no problem. Altrec is actually a cool sounding name.

Yeah, that'd be cool to check out that pillow. I assume you are in my area?

I'm also curious to know how you got it for so cheap. I didn't think you could use a HSN Coupon Code on a sale item?

Let me know..you can PM me if you want. Thanks.
 

Slacktron

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Well I have to say this thread has been most interesting, and more than a little expensive.

I started with the Simmons Beautyrest foam pillows from Robinsons/May 2-for-1 sale. They're fine pillows, but pretty much ordinary foam. I couldn't see what all the fuss was about.

After a few months of that, I got the sample block of foam from that foamcuts place and could see the difference. This foam was more like dough, less like latex foam. It's not nearly as springy.

So I bought a pair of real Tempur-Pedic pillows and sleep better now. They're quite nice.

So the moral of the story is -- they're all hugely different. Squeeze before you buy!

Thanks for all the excellent info!
 

SpotDancer

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Originally posted by: Slacktron
Well I have to say this thread has been most interesting, and more than a little expensive.

So the moral of the story is -- they're all hugely different. Squeeze before you buy!




This suggestion sounds vaguely familiar...........like in applying this "moral of the story" to getting married?:Q:D:|:Q:p
 

deadeye

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I didn't have to buy the Tempur-Pedic pillows. I got a pair of medium density for a few extra bucks after buying a California king bed with individual controls. We made the purchase about a year ago and have no complaints other than they are a bit pricey but the good night's sleep is worth it. The quality of the frame is excellent.:)
 

misterj

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great thread! you heathens have got me hooked. im about to go tour the malls and these oh so feminine bed and bath stores ive never been to.

that dr hodad sounds appealing, especially with this summer heatwave. anyone with feedback?


Atrac, if its not too much trouble, i think you should post the links with short descriptions found throughout this thread on your 1st post to make things easier. sorry, but youre the one who unleashed the beast =P
 

Idex

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Just a heads up. The I got shipping confirmation on the Dr. Ho Pillow. I will have pics and a review as soon as I get it.
 

Bobomatic

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I got that sample of the foam from foamorder.com and it seems different from the novaform from costco. it holds its shape for a long time but feels light(but then again I dont have an equally sized piece of anything else). it seems pretty good except for the density.
 

Atrac

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Well, it happened. I *finally* got to check out the Novaform Pillow from Costco. I'd have to say it's pretty good. It feels similar to the Isotonic Pillow in my opinion, maybe just a little less stiff. In all honesty, it feels close to the Cryo-Thermic Pillow that I currently swear by.

The cover it comes with is very nice (almost identical to that of the Isotonic cover). The thing I don't like is the shape of it. The contour favors a larger "valley" than the Isotonic. So the dip is bigger and wider. Also, when I removed the cover to examine the actual foam, little flakes of foam went all over the place. I don't know if that is isolated to this particular sample or if they are all like that, but I've never seen flaking foam in one of these pillows before (and this one is supposedly brand new).

At any rate, I'd give the NovaForm a Thumbs Up. Of course, I think this thread may have died. ;)
 

ThePanda

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I got the 4inch thick classic tempur-pedic pillow off ebay. It's nice, but it feels too much like a rock (too stiff). Maybe it's because I'm used to sleeping on softer pillows, but I think I should have gone with a less dense foam. I guess that's what happens when you blindly order something on the internet without trying it first :D
 

AlvinKlein

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I found the same thing with the 4" tempur pedic classic, that it was simply too firm. I found myself trying to stay on a single spot because that spot is already pushed in. After a couple of nights I couldn't take it anymore and got a Linens and Things "The Perfect Pillow," and loved it, it's made of a much softer memory foam that feels great no matter how you move.
 

misterj

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Originally posted by: Bobomatic
I got that sample of the foam from foamorder.com and it seems different from the novaform from costco. it holds its shape for a long time but feels light(but then again I dont have an equally sized piece of anything else). it seems pretty good except for the density.

i just got mine today too. i havent had experience with any of the visco foams yet but this seems like it would be too soft.

question: im currently using the regular foam pillow/top from linens and things (ya i know its not visco i didnt realize it until i started reading this thread) and i find that its ok sleeping on your side, as the foams do contour to your head/body, but when sleeping on your back id rather just sleep without a pillow at all. maybe its just me..

oh and any updates on the dr ho? i really need a sleep solution for cheap!
 

kindest

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damn this thread!
Its forcing me to buy a new pillow and a matress pad now.
I wish I stayed current on it now I have to read 7 pages of posts
to find out the lowdowns. :)
hehe
 

dreamseason

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I finally jumped in and read this thread... I've had the Novafoam pillow from Costco for several months and it's awesome. It took a couple of nights to get used to just because it felt completely different from the standard pillows I've slept with for all my life, but I'm happy I stuck with it.

The unexpected benefit of the Novafoam is I used to drool in my sleep once in a while and sleeping on the Novafoam has completely eliminated it.... I don't know if it's the support that the foam provides or just the contour shape of the pillow.
 

misterj

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Originally posted by: dreamseason
I finally jumped in and read this thread... I've had the Novafoam pillow from Costco for several months and it's awesome. It took a couple of nights to get used to just because it felt completely different from the standard pillows I've slept with for all my life, but I'm happy I stuck with it.

The unexpected benefit of the Novafoam is I used to drool in my sleep once in a while and sleeping on the Novafoam has completely eliminated it.... I don't know if it's the support that the foam provides or just the contour shape of the pillow.

how much is the novafoam going for? any specs?