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idiotekniQues

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me too. im sad. i love this board.

ive been goin at this for a long time now. i cant figure it out at all.

i may just have a defective board. i was thinkin about goin for a ds3 but i think i am just going to get another one of these and check it out if i cant figure this out by monday.
 

idiotekniQues

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ok so i passed 5 passes of memtest.

i try again to transfer a large amount of data from drive to drive, and the moment i try to browse a couple of web pages, BSOD.

so now i am downloading & installing steam and immediately downloading cs:s while installing firefox and have 3 browser windwos open and nothing even hiccups.

is this the mobo?
 

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I'm sure you'll find that your problems are most reproducible with I/O going on.
The toughest things for my setup to handle for stability aren't running BOINC 24/7 and Orthos... no, it's watching videos streamed over my network and running my TV card (which is, of course, doing PVR duty looping programming). The northbridge has a fan blowing on it, I can't seem to help by upping the voltage further; something's just sensitive with I/O. Be sure to try relaxing your timings/upping your voltage on the RAM, that helped a lot with my I/O stability.
 

idiotekniQues

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well im ordering another mobo by monday so it ships tuesday.

i want a mobo that can handle intensive multitasking.

right now i wnat to figure out if it is my mobo that is defective or the chipset in regards to intense inter-disk activity.

what do you think?

i really want to stay with this chipset cause it has two ide drives that i need to keep cabling nice and it has great OC options.

its this or the 965 chipset.
 

idiotekniQues

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alright im gonna ask for a favor. anybody who has this mobo, if you can transfer 10gb+ of files at least twice while multitasking with some browser windows and music playing etc... and let me know how it goes, that would be cool.

 

donxvi

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Originally posted by: idiotekniQues
alright im gonna ask for a favor. anybody who has this mobo, if you can transfer 10gb+ of files at least twice while multitasking with some browser windows and music playing etc... and let me know how it goes, that would be cool.

I didn't notice in your descriptions of your file-copying challenges that you've tried this without the overclock. I just copied 10 gig of files from a PATA drive to my SATA RAID while watching/Tivo'ing TV with PowerCinema and installing Virtual PC 2004. Finally, I finished off any remaining CPU cycles by running a distributed computing program in the background. This was at my "almost stable" overclock.

If you can't copy files while overclocked... turn down the OC. Then turn up each element individually until you figure out which is the problem and see what you can do to stabilize that subsystem.
 

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Originally posted by: idiotekniQues
alright im gonna ask for a favor. anybody who has this mobo, if you can transfer 10gb+ of files at least twice while multitasking with some browser windows and music playing etc... and let me know how it goes, that would be cool.

I see you have your timings set to 4-4-4-12-1t in your sig
Try 4-4-4-12-2T

What jumper settings are you using on those old drives

check your IDE cables for cracks or creases

check for bent or loose pins on the controllers

make sure they are pushed all the way in

Also disable that JMicron controller in the bios if your not using it (if you are using this it was trouble for me on my P5B Deluxe)

Disable any SATA ports and IDE controllers that are not being used

Try to free up some IRQ's that maybe sharing the same memory address (check in
Device Manager)

Did you install that firewall that came on the Asus CD??? (a real no no)

Let us know what you find or do.
 

Core2

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What happened to SLI Man haven't seen you for about three pages now??
You had the grave yard shift.
Ryan and myself work the AM and PM shift yesterday.
Thanks donxvi for covering for him
 

idiotekniQues

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i ran my board at stock speeds all of yesterday while trying to reinstall windows, then when i reinstalled it, and then when i got my BSOD's only while transferring files. everything was at stock.

i am using 3 of the 4 sata ports and one IDE drive. ill try disabling the jmicron controller, i didnt install the drivers for it. i did not install the nvidia firewall utilities.
 

Core2

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Originally posted by: idiotekniQues
i ran my board at stock speeds all of yesterday while trying to reinstall windows, then when i reinstalled it, and then when i got my BSOD's only while transferring files. everything was at stock.

i am using 3 of the 4 sata ports and one IDE drive. ill try disabling the jmicron controller, i didnt install the drivers for it. i did not install the nvidia firewall utilities.

Don't forget to loosen that 1T to 2T that would be my #1 priority
and disable the second IDE controller
Set the jumper on IDE drive to CS if you have it
 

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Delayed Write Failed" error message when you manage files in Windows XP
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Article ID : 330174
Last Review : May 18, 2006
Revision : 2.4
This article was previously published under Q330174
SYMPTOMS
When you save or move documents or during general file-management activities in Windows XP, you may intermittently receive "Delayed Write Failed" error messages.
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CAUSE
This issue may be caused if any of the following conditions exist: ? The "Enable write caching on the disk" feature for your disk is turned on.
? Your Ultra Direct Memory Access (UDMA) hard disk controller is configured in either of the following ways: ? You are using a 40-wire connector cable to connect the UDMA drive to the controller instead of the required 80-wire, 40-pin cable.
? Your BIOS settings are configured to force faster UDMA modes.


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RESOLUTION
To resolve this issue: 1. Make sure that your UDMA hard disk controller is using an 80-wire, 40-pin cable. For information about how to do so, view the documentation that is included with your computer, or contact your UDMA hard disk controller manufacturer. Test to determine if the issue is resolved. If the issue is resolved, do not complete the remaining steps. If the issue is not resolved, go to the next step.
2. Warning Do not change your BIOS settings unless you are very familiar with all the effects of changing BIOS settings.

Make sure that your BIOS settings are not configured to force faster UDMA modes. For information about how to do so, view the documentation that is included with your computer, or contact your computer manufacturer. Test to determine if the issue is resolved. If the issue is resolved, do not complete the remaining steps. If the issue is not resolved, go to the next step.
3. Turn off the "Enable write caching on the disk" feature:

Note If you turn off the "Enable write caching on the disk" feature, your disk performance may decrease. Because of this, you may want to monitor system performance after you complete the following procedure. a. In Windows Explorer, right-click your hard-disk, and then click Properties.
b. Click the Hardware tab.
c. Click the hard disk, and then click Properties.
d. Click the Policies tab.
e. Click to clear the Enable write caching on the disk check box, and then click OK two times.
f. Repeat steps c-e for each hard disk that is installed in your computer

 

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MORE INFORMATION
When you start your computer, the BIOS checks the system-specific settings that are stored in the complementary metal-oxide semiconductor (CMOS) chip. You can modify these settings as your computer or your needs change.

For more information about file lock or access denied error messages when you save files to a UNC path, click the following article number to view the article in the Microsoft Knowledge Base:
812937 (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/812937/) File lock or access denied error message when you save files over the network
Delayed Write Failure
Data corruption may occur if the Large System Cache feature is enabled in Windows XP. This problem does not occur on all systems. The key ingredients that lead to data corruption may include: ? System Memory greater than 512 Meg. (1 gigabyte of RAM is common)
? Large NTFS disk volumes and multiple large volumes. (60-100 gigabyte hard drives possibly in RAID arrays)
? AGP graphics with large AGP resource requirements (AGP aperture greater than default)
? Large file transfers. This problem occurs when the computer runs out of system page table entries. Windows determines (at boot time) the default number of page table entries to assign, based on the amount of system memory available.
The conditions listed above all contribute to increasing the number of page table entries that Windows XP must maintain and in extreme cases the page table entries may be exhausted. To avoid this problem ensure the System Cache option is NOT selected for Memory usage.
To do this, follow these steps: 1. Click Start, right-click My Computer, and then click Properties to open the System Properties dialog box.
2. Click the Advanced tab, and then under Performance click Settings.
3. Under Performance Options, click the Advanced tab.
4. Under Memory Usage, click to select Programs, if it is not already selected.
5. Click OK.

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WORKAROUND
Important This article contains information about how to modify the registry. Make sure to back up the registry before you modify it. Make sure that you know how to restore the registry if a problem occurs. For more information about how to back up, restore, and modify the registry, click the following article number to view the article in the Microsoft Knowledge Base:
256986 (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/256986/) Description of the Microsoft Windows registry
Warning Serious problems might occur if you modify the registry incorrectly by using Registry Editor or by using another method. These problems might require that you reinstall your operating system. Microsoft cannot guarantee that these problems can be solved. Modify the registry at your own risk.You may be able to work around this problem by increasing the value for page table entries. To increase the value for page table entries, follow these steps: 1. Click Start, click Run, in the Open: box type regedit, and then click OK.
2. Locate the following registry key: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Session Manager\Memory Management
3. In the right pane, right-click the value SystemPages, and then click Modify.
4. In the Value data box, type the following value: 0xFFFFFFFF and then click OK.
5. Exit Registry Editor.
Note0xFFFFFFFF is the safest value however a value greater than the default but less than the maximum may provide better results.
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Core2

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After reading that article I would
Disable UDMA modes in the bios
Uncheck write caching on the disk

I don't think there is anything wrong with your MB in fact you probably have the best one here being able to run 1T with no memory errors. I'll buy it from you if you don't want it
 

adder1971

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Originally posted by: Core2
After reading that article I would
Disable UDMA modes in the bios
Uncheck write caching on the disk

I don't think there is anything wrong with your MB in fact you probably have the best one here being able to run 1T with no memory errors. I'll buy it from you if you don't want it

hahaha, me too
 

idiotekniQues

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thanks for the help. i did look at a lot of those articles, i google all my issues. there happened to be a ton on the write delay error, it was very common but it seems to have peaked when sp2 came out. you dont see anybody complaining about it now.

also, with this fresh install of xp i am not getting any failed write delay errors, just BSOD's saying KERNEL STACK INPAGE ERROR. which when i searched seemed to imply a hardware error, most likely memory or hard drives. so that is why i memtested my memory. considering the error happens with three brand new WD SATA drives a 250gb a 320gb & a 400gb, i dont think it is the hard drives.

i did try disabling the write cache on all drives, same thing. i ran everything at stock speeds, including memory. same thing. ill try the udma modes.

if someone really wants this board let me know, cause i am ordering a new one by monday if i dont figure this issue out today and i was going to RMA this one back to zipzoom when i received my new board.

i did just transfer 110gb without a hitch, but i made sure i did nothing else on the pc at the same time since yesterday i BSOD'd whenever i did multitask. unacceptable to me.
 

JonDoms

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What voltage are you running your memory at idiotekniQues?
What are your voltage settings for everything.
 

adder1971

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Originally posted by: idiotekniQues
thanks for the help. i did look at a lot of those articles, i google all my issues. there happened to be a ton on the write delay error, it was very common but it seems to have peaked when sp2 came out. you dont see anybody complaining about it now.

also, with this fresh install of xp i am not getting any failed write delay errors, just BSOD's saying KERNEL STACK INPAGE ERROR. which when i searched seemed to imply a hardware error, most likely memory or hard drives. so that is why i memtested my memory. considering the error happens with three brand new WD SATA drives a 250gb a 320gb & a 400gb, i dont think it is the hard drives.

i did try disabling the write cache on all drives, same thing. i ran everything at stock speeds, including memory. same thing. ill try the udma modes.

if someone really wants this board let me know, cause i am ordering a new one by monday if i dont figure this issue out today and i was going to RMA this one back to zipzoom when i received my new board.

i did just transfer 110gb without a hitch, but i made sure i did nothing else on the pc at the same time since yesterday i BSOD'd whenever i did multitask. unacceptable to me.

the multitasking is the really weird part about it. i wonder if one of your cores is run ning completely stable and maybe the other one is not? only way i can figure multitasking coming into the equation. maybe up vcore a couple a ticks?

good questions JonDoms, i was thinking the same thing.
 

idiotekniQues

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i dont think its my chip since i was ripping thru orthos with no errors with my voltage at 1.35

the BSOD's happened with this mobo set at default everything - so whatever values are stock is what my voltages were at. i also got errors when i was oc'd. the same oc ran orthos stable which is in my sig and my voltages were Vcore @ 1.35 it was drooping as low as 1.28-1.33 but never hiccuped.
my NB i was at 1.5v but lowered it to 1.39v when i settled at a sub 400mhz fsb OC. my ram is at the 2.1something value in the bios.

yesterday i also tried keeping all my values at stock speedwise, and just upping my ram voltage to 2.1 and NB to 1.39, while all speeds were stock - so giving them some extra juice without even pushing their stock speds. still got BSOD, again only while file transferring. right now as we speak i am oc'd, and transferring 60gigs but i dont want to do much else on my pc. i have cpu-z open and firefox thats it.

 

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Originally posted by: idiotekniQues
i dont think its my chip since i was ripping thru orthos with no errors with my voltage at 1.35

the BSOD's happened with this mobo set at default everything - so whatever values are stock is what my voltages were at. i also got errors when i was oc'd. the same oc ran orthos stable which is in my sig and my voltages were Vcore @ 1.35 it was drooping as low as 1.28-1.33 but never hiccuped.
my NB i was at 1.5v but lowered it to 1.39v when i settled at a sub 400mhz fsb OC. my ram is at the 2.1something value in the bios.

yesterday i also tried keeping all my values at stock speedwise, and just upping my ram voltage to 2.1 and NB to 1.39, while all speeds were stock - so giving them some extra juice without even pushing their stock speds. still got BSOD, again only while file transferring. right now as we speak i am oc'd, and transferring 60gigs but i dont want to do much else on my pc. i have cpu-z open and firefox thats it.

yeah i dont know man, i've never had that issue with a pc. any pc that couldnt handle multitasking just bogged down due to not enough cpu. i just hope this isnt the type of issue the 680i's were having.
 

idiotekniQues

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it can handle multitasking, just not when doing large intensive file transfers to the hard drives.

this pc flies. and orthos is a beast and it does fine. i work fast and i was installing programs while downloading others and listening to music with rhapsody streaming it and having my IM open and cpu-z and asusprobe and steam loaded and formatting my 4th hard drive and having 8 tabs open in firefox etc etc. your usual multitasking for a casual user. of course my p4 2.4c could do this but this pc does it much nicer :)

i love this memory for the price it kicks ass. 244 and i am getting a 32 rebate back from ocz.
 

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To be honest I would not be doing any multitasking when transferring important data files, mirroring drives or burning disks
 

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This is from the Asus Forum. Thought I would post it for people who are flashing that Beta Bios

Quote:
I had exactly the same situation as you had. After I flash BIOS to 0308, clear CMOS and power on, it boots only 1 second and off!

Then I remove the battery and boot. Yes, boot WITHOUT the battery! It boots and goes to Windows! Except that my BIOS settings are never saved.

I put back my battery and it boots again. Customize my BIOS and reboot. Problem solved.

Quote:
Author: Gordon Posted: 1/7/2007 9:32:00 PM

I've gat a beta BIOS 0308, but something is weird...
After reflashing the BIOS, I can boot into Windows.

However, when I power off my compuer, clear BIOS and power on.
The ATX power is triggered, but after a few seconds it shutdown again.
I can't power up my computer anymore!!

I have no idea it's my own problem or just a defect BIOS...
Could anyone give it a try, and tell us your own result?

Use at your own risk!!
The new BIOS and flash tool are available here,
Use at your own risk!!


 

idiotekniQues

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thanks for all your help guys.

i am trying to figure out a way to make sure whether this problem is my mobo, the cpu or the memory.

i am going to run memtest all night tonight while i sleep to do every single test. i did 5 passes yesterday which should be enough but i want to be sure. i need to find a test to make sure my cpu is ok, sure it handles orthos fine but is it doing it fast enough? if it isnt the mem or cpu it has to be the mobo. it cannot be every hard drive i have or all my cables. the odds of that are astronomical.

also, it has been noted by anandtech this chipset is not so good with hard drive operations, so this does not look like coincidence. i routinely back up a lot of data (photography) and so i may have to switch to a p5b. i really like this chipset, it makes overclocking super easy and fun. i was even hoping to sell this ram down the road and get some 1000mhz ram and really have fun.

oh also, i stated my wrong voltage for my ram when i had it at 1T. i was using the 2.2 voltage setting in the bios. ocz warranties this ram to use 2.2volts +/- 5%.

question, does the v-droop of this board not only affect the cpu but also the NB & ram?