The Unofficial ASUS P5N-E SLI 650i Board Thread

[adder1971]

Originally posted by: christoph83
Here, lets add another screenshot to the picture.


7 multi

8 multi

And lastly, same settings as the picture above but with a 650 setting on the memory instead of 850.

8 multi with 650 mem

adder, ill try your setup next. The problem is I havent gotten the chip stable near 3.4ghz with a 7 multi. So theres nothing for me to compare it to. While these screenshots above illustrate 3.3ghz with 8 multi and 3.3ghz with 7 multi. It's clearly a problem on my board.

also give orthos small fft a shot. if that fails you just needs a little bit more vcore. plus it test both cores at once. i had one core that always wanted a little more than the other to be stable.

your frustration is actually what led me to the 500x7 with mem synched to 1000mhz mem. i was having issues in the 3.2, 3.3 range and decided if thats all i was going to get out of this chip then i was gonna give it one more run with 1.525 vcore in bios and it worked

 

[Core2]

Originally posted by: christoph83
Here, lets add another screenshot to the picture.


7 multi

8 multi

And lastly, same settings as the picture above but with a 650 setting on the memory instead of 850.

8 multi with 650 mem

adder, ill try your setup next. The problem is I havent gotten the chip stable near 3.4ghz with a 7 multi. So theres nothing for me to compare it to. While these screenshots above illustrate 3.3ghz with 8 multi and 3.3ghz with 7 multi. It's clearly a problem on my board.

Did you compare those setting that I posted to what you see in the bios and when you leave that page in the bios the recored FSB and MEM are correct to what you had keyed in or does it change ane show something different

 

[christoph83]

Originally posted by: adder1971

Originally posted by: christoph83
Here, lets add another screenshot to the picture.


7 multi

8 multi

And lastly, same settings as the picture above but with a 650 setting on the memory instead of 850.

8 multi with 650 mem

adder, ill try your setup next. The problem is I havent gotten the chip stable near 3.4ghz with a 7 multi. So theres nothing for me to compare it to. While these screenshots above illustrate 3.3ghz with 8 multi and 3.3ghz with 7 multi. It's clearly a problem on my board.

also give orthos small fft a shot. if that fails you just needs a little bit more vcore. plus it test both cores at once. i had one core that always wanted a little more than the other to be stable.

your frustration is actually what led me to the 500x7 with mem synched to 1000mhz mem. i was having issues in the 3.2, 3.3 range and decided if thats all i was going to get out of this chip then i was gonna give it one more run with 1.525 vcore in bios and it worked

Adder, why would adding more vcore be involved in this. You have 3 comparisons there, of chips running 3.3ghz and set to the SAME vcore in the bios. All 3 should run stable, ESPECIALLY the one with memory at 650. I shouldnt have to move the vcore up at all, they are all running 3.3ghz. Why would it need more juice at 8 multi over the 7 multi.

And Core2, I'm 100% sure im set to unlinked. How could I set my memory so low of speed if I wasnt unlinked? Anyway, I'll set my memory to 100. This isn't a memory issue.

 

[adder1971]

Originally posted by: christoph83

Originally posted by: adder1971

Originally posted by: christoph83
Here, lets add another screenshot to the picture.


7 multi

8 multi

And lastly, same settings as the picture above but with a 650 setting on the memory instead of 850.

8 multi with 650 mem

adder, ill try your setup next. The problem is I havent gotten the chip stable near 3.4ghz with a 7 multi. So theres nothing for me to compare it to. While these screenshots above illustrate 3.3ghz with 8 multi and 3.3ghz with 7 multi. It's clearly a problem on my board.

also give orthos small fft a shot. if that fails you just needs a little bit more vcore. plus it test both cores at once. i had one core that always wanted a little more than the other to be stable.

your frustration is actually what led me to the 500x7 with mem synched to 1000mhz mem. i was having issues in the 3.2, 3.3 range and decided if thats all i was going to get out of this chip then i was gonna give it one more run with 1.525 vcore in bios and it worked

Adder, why would adding more vcore be involved in this. You have 3 comparisons there, of chips running 3.3ghz and set to the SAME vcore in the bios. All 3 should run stable, ESPECIALLY the one with memory at 650. I shouldnt have to move the vcore up at all, they are all running 3.3ghz. Why would it need more juice at 8 multi over the 7 multi.

And Core2, I'm 100% sure im set to unlinked. How could I set my memory so low of speed if I wasnt unlinked?

hmmm..... i didn't say vcore would fix the issue necessarily. just gave you my settings to try to see if it gets you stable at that speed. leave your vcore at whatever you have it set at for 3.3ghz.

 

[christoph83]

Yeah all 3 pictures there have the same vcore as you can see in the asus probe part. Those of course may fluctuate a little. One last screenshot, to show its definitely not the memory causing 8 multi to fail.

8 multi with 424 mem setting


Adder, you said you appear to have the same problem. If any of your guys cpu's are stable at 3.2, 3.3 , 3.4 ghz etc and your using a 7 multipler. Try using an 8 multiplier instead to hit the same speed and see if its stable. Hopefully a bios update will fix this problem.

The only other thing I can think of is maybe its just a prime problem. Going to use a different stressing program.

 

[Core2]

Originally posted by: christoph83
Yeah all 3 pictures there have the same vcore as you can see in the asus probe part. Those of course may fluctuate a little. One last screenshot, to show its definitely not the memory causing 8 multi to fail.

8 multi with 424 mem setting


Adder, you said you appear to have the same problem. If any of your guys cpu's are stable at 3.2, 3.3 , 3.4 ghz etc and your using a 7 multipler. Try using an 8 multiplier instead to hit the same speed and see if its stable. Hopefully a bios update will fix this problem.

Alright try linked in the memory clock mode and set it to sync in the FSB mem Ratio and see what you get

 

[adder1971]

Originally posted by: christoph83
Yeah all 3 pictures there have the same vcore as you can see in the asus probe part. Those of course may fluctuate a little. One last screenshot, to show its definitely not the memory causing 8 multi to fail.

8 multi with 424 mem setting


Adder, you said you appear to have the same problem. If any of your guys cpu's are stable at 3.2, 3.3 , 3.4 ghz etc and your using a 7 multipler. Try using an 8 multiplier instead to hit the same speed and see if its stable. Hopefully a bios update will fix this problem.

those pics are of a 8x412. with memory running at 200mhz. there is a known issue at 8 x 412. my board and core 2's does the same thing. give 8x424 a try. i have no issues running there all day long. with memory at 400mhz ddr (800)

 

[Core2]

The only place I can't run stable with a 8 mutiplyer is 419 - 422 445 - 469

Sweet spots are 355 - 412 424 - 440 470 no problems

 

[christoph83]

Originally posted by: adder1971

Originally posted by: christoph83
Yeah all 3 pictures there have the same vcore as you can see in the asus probe part. Those of course may fluctuate a little. One last screenshot, to show its definitely not the memory causing 8 multi to fail.

8 multi with 424 mem setting


Adder, you said you appear to have the same problem. If any of your guys cpu's are stable at 3.2, 3.3 , 3.4 ghz etc and your using a 7 multipler. Try using an 8 multiplier instead to hit the same speed and see if its stable. Hopefully a bios update will fix this problem.

those pics are of a 8x412. with memory running at 200mhz. there is a known issue at 8 x 412. my board and core 2's does the same thing. give 8x424 a try. i have no issues running there all day long. with memory at 400mhz ddr (800)

link

Were looking at a prime problem or a board problem. Atleast in my case. Also, my pc is still freezing with memory settings above 700. The 850 setting did not work

The linked sync mode didnt work either. I'm done messing with this for now lol. Thanks for chipping in guys.

Edit: Just ran Orthos at the same setting and it failed too.

 

[adder1971]

Originally posted by: christoph83

Originally posted by: adder1971

Originally posted by: christoph83
Yeah all 3 pictures there have the same vcore as you can see in the asus probe part. Those of course may fluctuate a little. One last screenshot, to show its definitely not the memory causing 8 multi to fail.

8 multi with 424 mem setting


Adder, you said you appear to have the same problem. If any of your guys cpu's are stable at 3.2, 3.3 , 3.4 ghz etc and your using a 7 multipler. Try using an 8 multiplier instead to hit the same speed and see if its stable. Hopefully a bios update will fix this problem.

those pics are of a 8x412. with memory running at 200mhz. there is a known issue at 8 x 412. my board and core 2's does the same thing. give 8x424 a try. i have no issues running there all day long. with memory at 400mhz ddr (800)

link

Were looking at a prime problem or a board problem. Atleast in my case. Also, my pc is still freezing with memory settings above 700. The 850 setting did not work

The linked sync mode didnt work either. I'm done messing with this for now lol. Thanks for chipping in guys.

Edit: Just ran Orthos at the same setting and it failed too.

dang man, that sucks. thought for sure we were on the right track with that one.

 

[christoph83]

You guys got any sandra memory bandwidth benchmarks? Because in looking at HardOCP's review, my comparison looks really odd. I'm using sandra 2007 just like they state but my ram is running at 650 or 325x2, yet according to what im showing im beating their scores somehow.


link

 

[Core2]

Originally posted by: christoph83
You guys got any sandra memory bandwidth benchmarks? Because in looking at HardOCP's review, my comparison looks really odd. I'm using sandra 2007 just like they state but my ram is running at 650 or 325x2, yet according to what im showing im beating their scores somehow.


link

7224 8x400

 

[adder1971]

Originally posted by: christoph83
You guys got any sandra memory bandwidth benchmarks? Because in looking at HardOCP's review, my comparison looks really odd. I'm using sandra 2007 just like they state but my ram is running at 650 or 325x2, yet according to what im showing im beating their scores somehow.


link

8500 at 1000mhz. fsb has a big impact on memory bandwidth as well. i believe the benchmarks they show were all for 1066fsb. in sandra 2007 only the top fx-62 has more mem bandwidth than me and i didnt have tight timings for it at that speed.

 

[donxvi]

Originally posted by: christoph83

link

Were looking at a prime problem or a board problem. Atleast in my case. Also, my pc is still freezing with memory settings above 700. The 850 setting did not work

The linked sync mode didnt work either. I'm done messing with this for now lol. Thanks for chipping in guys.

Edit: Just ran Orthos at the same setting and it failed too.

I know you have a voltage that works at 3.3, but dont' discount things going on that aren't obvious (that would normally be translated as "logical"). I'd certainly try upping voltages to see what happens; My board was stable at 375 FSB, 667 memory manually configured, but not stable at 400 FSB, 667 memory. Until I added more VDIMM. Try it out, nothing's gonna fry too quickly.....

 

[adder1971]

Originally posted by: donxvi

Originally posted by: christoph83

link

Were looking at a prime problem or a board problem. Atleast in my case. Also, my pc is still freezing with memory settings above 700. The 850 setting did not work

The linked sync mode didnt work either. I'm done messing with this for now lol. Thanks for chipping in guys.

Edit: Just ran Orthos at the same setting and it failed too.

I know you have a voltage that works at 3.3, but dont' discount things going on that aren't obvious (that would normally be translated as "logical"). I'd certainly try upping voltages to see what happens; My board was stable at 375 FSB, 667 memory manually configured, but not stable at 400 FSB, 667 memory. Until I added more VDIMM. Try it out, nothing's gonna fry too quickly.....

i very much agree. not to sound too old school but with my xp2500 mobile to xp3600 OC with 2.4ghz as 200x12 i needed more vcore than 133x18. cpu has to work harder woth a higher fsb. i would imagine a core 2 running at 3.2ghz as 7 x 1828(457quad) will need more vcore than 8 x 1600 (400quad) i could be wrong but that is my obvservation.

 

[idiotekniQues]

guys i am having some wacky problems with my setup.

i tested my stuff to the settings in my sig, and it was very stable. NB vcore was 1.39. so after getting everything situated i started hooking up my old pata drives to my rig to transfer over my files. lots of files. i tried transferring 35 gigs over and got a FAILED WRITE DELAY error. huh. so i restarted and tried again. same ******. so i tried again. same ******. so i thought maybe it was my very old PATA hard drive. so i hooked up a newer PATA drive i had files on. i transferred over 60 gigs no problem. so i was like oh, its that drive. so i hooked up my third PATA drive i had to get files from, this one is quite new and the error again. so i was like wtf. so i tried again and again. more FAILED WRITE DELAY errors. so then i decided to get rid of my overclock and run at defaults. i tired each drive again and got the errors. so it wasnt my OC. i also googled this issue and found it was quite prevalent, in 2004-2005. i disabled the write cache on all my drives and did this all over again. same ******.

so i hooked back up my old rig and put the old hard drives back in and did some file sharing over my router. the first transfer went fine, but then i got the same error again. FAILED WRITE DELAY - over my network. so then i took the large transfer i got successfully onto my one new SATA drive in the new rig, and tried to transfer it to another SATA drive, also new, same error. so it isnt my new drives, it isnt write cache. i was stumped again. so i decided to reinstall windows from scratch.

i try to reinstall xp and everytime i get passed the booting point from the xp disc where it restarts and goes back to the hard drive to finish the install, i got an error that the hal.dll file is missing or OS cant be found errors. tried on 2 different brand new SATA drives, same ******. i googled this error. found out this is also a known windows issue that was also fairly prevalent. so again i am not doubting my hardware. this is windows again.

so now i finally get windows to reinstall again by using a seagate utility to truly clear my hard drive and get passed this windows issue. windows installs again without a hitch, very fast, boom.

so after installing my chipset drivers and other drivers, i goto transfer a large file, i am talking like 60 gigs. im like 3/4 done with it and it is smooth so i start downloding more stuff form the internet to install like firefox, windowblinds - and i get a BSOD. some kernel_inpage error. i restart and do it again. same thing. i google that error, and it is commonly known as a memory issue. i am running now at default everything in bios.

so now i think i fried my OCZ ram. so i donwload MEMTEST. i have run 2 passes completely and am on my third with nary an error. memtest says 1 pass is good to capture all but the most obscure errors. but i figure ill run at least 6 straight passes, aka different tests, of memtest.

at this point it cannot be my 3 new WD SATA hard drives, it seems like it isnt my RAM, i havent over-volted my chip, with v-droop it goes below the standard voltage to .o2 over the standard voltage which is nothing.

im thinkin somethin with this mobo is fubared in regards to the transfer of information if i pass all these memtests. or do i have no clule?

so now i am stumped. it isnt 3 defective brand new WD sata drives, it isnt my old PATA drives. it looks like it isnt my RAM. it sure as heck isnt my 1950pro. i took out my pci cards in case they were conflcting in some weird way (audigy 2 zs and leadtek tv tuner)

 

[donxvi]

Just a datapoint, my always raggedly-overclocked E6300 system popped up a delayed write notification once while I was away. It seemed to be related to a network file or somesuch; didn't make much sense and I didn't pursue it. Perhaps more tight timings such as the 680i's had that we'll need a BIOS fix for .... ???

 

[christoph83]

Originally posted by: adder1971

Originally posted by: donxvi

Originally posted by: christoph83

link

Were looking at a prime problem or a board problem. Atleast in my case. Also, my pc is still freezing with memory settings above 700. The 850 setting did not work

The linked sync mode didnt work either. I'm done messing with this for now lol. Thanks for chipping in guys.

Edit: Just ran Orthos at the same setting and it failed too.

I know you have a voltage that works at 3.3, but dont' discount things going on that aren't obvious (that would normally be translated as "logical"). I'd certainly try upping voltages to see what happens; My board was stable at 375 FSB, 667 memory manually configured, but not stable at 400 FSB, 667 memory. Until I added more VDIMM. Try it out, nothing's gonna fry too quickly.....

i very much agree. not to sound too old school but with my xp2500 mobile to xp3600 OC with 2.4ghz as 200x12 i needed more vcore than 133x18. cpu has to work harder woth a higher fsb. i would imagine a core 2 running at 3.2ghz as 7 x 1828(457quad) will need more vcore than 8 x 1600 (400quad) i could be wrong but that is my obvservation.

I would agree with you guys too, but in my case, the higher FSB is more stable than the lower FSB Fun stuff. My last link too is with 1.49v vs 1.40 so upping it .09v didnt affect it failing within 1 minute.

Ahh well. When a new bios update comes out ill make sure to give you guys an update if anything changed.

 

[idiotekniQues]

the 650i scored poorly on hard drive tests on the anandtech reviews, but i didnt care about that - but these errors i care about big time. this is ridiculous. after i finish 6 passes of memtest with no errors, im on my 4th, just finished 3, ill start to wonder about this chipset on my mobo. opinions?

i have had no errors while gaming, no errors while doing anything but trying to transfer files or install windows xp pro sp2 (hal.dll file issue, known issue on pre-partitioned HD)

 

[adder1971]

Originally posted by: idiotekniQues
guys i am having some wacky problems with my setup.

i tested my stuff to the settings in my sig, and it was very stable. NB vcore was 1.39. so after getting everything situated i started hooking up my old pata drives to my rig to transfer over my files. lots of files. i tried transferring 35 gigs over and got a FAILED WRITE DELAY error. huh. so i restarted and tried again. same ******. so i tried again. same ******. so i thought maybe it was my very old PATA hard drive. so i hooked up a newer PATA drive i had files on. i transferred over 60 gigs no problem. so i was like oh, its that drive. so i hooked up my third PATA drive i had to get files from, this one is quite new and the error again. so i was like wtf. so i tried again and again. more FAILED WRITE DELAY errors. so then i decided to get rid of my overclock and run at defaults. i tired each drive again and got the errors. so it wasnt my OC. i also googled this issue and found it was quite prevalent, in 2004-2005. i disabled the write cache on all my drives and did this all over again. same ******.

so i hooked back up my old rig and put the old hard drives back in and did some file sharing over my router. the first transfer went fine, but then i got the same error again. FAILED WRITE DELAY - over my network. so then i took the large transfer i got successfully onto my one new SATA drive in the new rig, and tried to transfer it to another SATA drive, also new, same error. so it isnt my new drives, it isnt write cache. i was stumped again. so i decided to reinstall windows from scratch.

i try to reinstall xp and everytime i get passed the booting point from the xp disc where it restarts and goes back to the hard drive to finish the install, i got an error that the hal.dll file is missing or OS cant be found errors. tried on 2 different brand new SATA drives, same ******. i googled this error. found out this is also a known windows issue that was also fairly prevalent. so again i am not doubting my hardware. this is windows again.

so now i finally get windows to reinstall again by using a seagate utility to truly clear my hard drive and get passed this windows issue. windows installs again without a hitch, very fast, boom.

so after installing my chipset drivers and other drivers, i goto transfer a large file, i am talking like 60 gigs. im like 3/4 done with it and it is smooth so i start downloding more stuff form the internet to install like firefox, windowblinds - and i get a BSOD. some kernel_inpage error. i restart and do it again. same thing. i google that error, and it is commonly known as a memory issue. i am running now at default everything in bios.

so now i think i fried my OCZ ram. so i donwload MEMTEST. i have run 2 passes completely and am on my third with nary an error. memtest says 1 pass is good to capture all but the most obscure errors. but i figure ill run at least 6 straight passes, aka different tests, of memtest.

at this point it cannot be my 3 new WD SATA hard drives, it seems like it isnt my RAM, i havent over-volted my chip, with v-droop it goes below the standard voltage to .o2 over the standard voltage which is nothing.

im thinkin somethin with this mobo is fubared in regards to the transfer of information if i pass all these memtests. or do i have no clule?

so now i am stumped. it isnt 3 defective brand new WD sata drives, it isnt my old PATA drives. it looks like it isnt my RAM. it sure as heck isnt my 1950pro. i took out my pci cards in case they were conflcting in some weird way (audigy 2 zs and leadtek tv tuner)

hmmm.... i initally installed my system on p-ata transfered it to s-ata withotu issue. i know the 680i had hdd issue, i hope this one isnt a sign of bigger problems to come. 60gigs, how long did that take. wonder if something is heating up. what psu do you have?

also maybe it is the southbridge heating up. no heatsink on it so it is very possible.

 

[adder1971]

Originally posted by: christoph83

Originally posted by: adder1971

Originally posted by: donxvi

Originally posted by: christoph83

link

Were looking at a prime problem or a board problem. Atleast in my case. Also, my pc is still freezing with memory settings above 700. The 850 setting did not work

The linked sync mode didnt work either. I'm done messing with this for now lol. Thanks for chipping in guys.

Edit: Just ran Orthos at the same setting and it failed too.

I know you have a voltage that works at 3.3, but dont' discount things going on that aren't obvious (that would normally be translated as "logical"). I'd certainly try upping voltages to see what happens; My board was stable at 375 FSB, 667 memory manually configured, but not stable at 400 FSB, 667 memory. Until I added more VDIMM. Try it out, nothing's gonna fry too quickly.....

i very much agree. not to sound too old school but with my xp2500 mobile to xp3600 OC with 2.4ghz as 200x12 i needed more vcore than 133x18. cpu has to work harder woth a higher fsb. i would imagine a core 2 running at 3.2ghz as 7 x 1828(457quad) will need more vcore than 8 x 1600 (400quad) i could be wrong but that is my obvservation.

I would agree with you guys too, but in my case, the higher FSB is more stable than the lower FSB Fun stuff. My last link too is with 1.49v vs 1.40 so upping it .09v didnt affect it failing within 1 minute.

Ahh well. When a new bios update comes out ill make sure to give you guys an update if anything changed.

thanks cristoph83, sounds like an 0308 bios may not be far off. keep us posted. i know there are certain fsb multi combo's that have major issues. hope they get resolved soon.

 

[idiotekniQues]

i have the corsair hx 620. should handle this just fine.

also i ground myself and touch my nb heatsink which is a TT HR-05 i put on myself and when running orthos it is warm/hot to the touch but i can still rest my hand on it for minutes and be comfortable, and i also monitor my temps. my cpu temps never break 46 at full load (orthos after an hour it gets that high)

 

[adder1971]

Originally posted by: idiotekniQues
i have the corsair hx 620. should handle this just fine.

also i ground myself and touch my nb heatsink which is a TT HR-05 i put on myself and when running orthos it is warm/hot to the touch but i can still rest my hand on it for minutes and be comfortable, and i also monitor my temps. my cpu temps never break 46 at full load (orthos after an hour it gets that high)

nevermind, i see you have a heatsink on your SB. does it have a fan as well?

 

[idiotekniQues]

no fan, but i also check that too with my hand and it never gets past warm on full load, not even close to hot. its a regular small el cheapo heatsink from jab-tech for 5 bucks.

 

[adder1971]

Originally posted by: idiotekniQues
no fan, but i also check that too with my hand and it never gets past warm on full load, not even close to hot. its a regular small el cheapo heatsink from jab-tech for 5 bucks.

i'm stumped. i haven't heard of this issue yet with the 650i.