The Unofficial ASUS P5N-E SLI 650i Board Thread

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Acharash

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Thanks for your suggestion. I've tried that, with no success. This has actually happened before when the previous PSU was installed. But, a quick upgrade of BIOS fixed it...

Any other ideas?

Cheers,

PS. Thanks for the welcome!
 

Acharash

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@vot

I've got the same CPU Heatsink as you (from what your sig says), but my load temps are higher (52degrees). Why are you trying to push the FSB so high? I can get stable 3GHz and higher with a 1333FSB and a 9x multiplier. I can sync my FSB to RAM (better that way) and run my OCZ down to 4-3-3-8 timings (2T) and get fantastic performance. given, my ambient room temp is probably higher than yours, but my MB temp doesn't get close (32 maybe). My Vcore is 1.45, Mem V 2.259, NB 1.563 and I offset the Vcore 100mv. I can maintain these Ram timings if I unlink the FSB and raise the ram up to 872, but this shows little to no extra improvement in bandwidth. When it's cool, I can increase the multiplier to 10 and get 3.4, but this is rarely needed. The only issue I have with the machine at the moment is the Standby mode problem (see above).

Hope that helps.
 

Acharash

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Seems like the G11 keyboard is causing all the standby issues. Asus provides a microsoft fix for USB problems like that, but it doesn't seem to help my problem. i'll try plugging in a PS2 adapter, but that may stuff my keyboard extra functionality... I'll see and let you guys know.
 

Acharash

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@trigun

The links you posted don't work.

If you run Vista, and patch it, you should be fine with the 4Gb of RAM. If you run windows x86, you'll be able to run, but not at 4Gb, more like 3.5Gb.
 

Acharash

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So, I've fiddled with the G11 keyboard, and can't seem to fix the problem. I've disabled the USB ports on it, but it keeps on coming back to the central connector. Tried updating everything, still won't standby. Sent an email to logitech, hopefully they'll come back with a solution. Will let you guys know.
 

Acharash

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Should be fine. Generally you have to bump up the Voltages on the Mobo to get the 800Mhz speeds, but that's not too hard. Make sure you set the timings according to the website, as the auto timings on the mobo are hopeless. You shouldn't really get any higher than 2.1 on the VDIMM as this may expire your warranty. However, according to other reviews, this is a great OC RAM, so you can probably bump that up to 2.259 and get the MHz out of it. Try to get an even ratio on the FSB to RAM, maybe even link them and set the ratios that way. Once you have a nice speed on the mem bus, try tightening the timings bit by bit. however, remember for 4Gb that you need to set the clock cycle to 2t, as 1t never seems to work on this board for 4gb (unless you make ultra loose timings.)

So, in short, Ram will work, even with SLI.

PSU looks fine, as does CPU. OCing the CPU will be difficult, as Quads are particularly tricky. Take it very slow...
 

Tuvoc

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Originally posted by: AcharashOCing the CPU will be difficult, as Quads are particularly tricky. Take it very slow...

It's the huge vdroop with the quads that is the problem. I just get the feeling that the board is under huge stress running the quads, you have to wonder if the board really was designed to use them. But nevertheless it runs mine 24/7 at full load with no problems, so I guess it is OK. I've also tried mine at 333 x 9 and it's stable, provided I bump the vcore up to 1.375 from stock 1.35 to partially counter the droop

 

Acharash

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Yeah, I've heard that. However, the board is meant to handle 333 happily, and you can probably bump the vcore even up to 1.45, but I would make sure you use an aftermarket cooler for both CPU and Northbridge, as the strain put on the NB in such a system is high. The NB on my board runs particularly hot at 1.563 and I'm looking at aftermarket cooling for it at the moment. When I do that, I should be able to go a little further.
 

Tuvoc

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Northbridge definitely gets hot, even at stock. I have an 80mm fan suspended over that area on a Zalman fan bracket
 

vot

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Acharash

I cannot up my multiplier, I can only lower it (E6400)

I am running at 3ghz stable at 1500/800 which only works when I use auto settings for voltages.

My Ram is spec'd at 5-5-5-15 can I lower this to 5-5-5-8?

Since I cannot raise the multiplier and only the fsb and memory bus.

Should I just stick with the 3ghz or is there a way I can go higher?

I cannot hit 1600mhz unfortunately.

is the 15:16 ratio ok whats the big deal with having a 1:1 ratio anyway? stability?

I have not modded the heatsink on the North BRidge or put a heat sink on the south bridge as the HSF makes that kinda hard for the NB and I don't really have a HS for the south bridge how important is it to mod the NB and SB?
 

Acharash

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yeah, C2Ds hard limit the multiplier to be able to sell similar dies at different speeds. There's a way of getting rid of it, but I wouldn't do it as it completely voids your warranty.
Use CPU-Z to check what voltage your core runs at on auto, then try stepping up the voltage for Vcore, NB Voltage and FSB. However I would suggest to NOT DO THIS UNLESS YOU HAVE AN AFTERMARKET HEATSINK ON NORTHBRIDGE.

However, you should be happily able to play with RAM timings. The ratio thing is a clock synchronous technique. The idea is that the RAM timings with the FSB, if at an even ratio (small ratio) would allow for easier transfer of information on the clock signals (basically). Ie, in a 1.1 ratio, for every 1 clock cycle, the FSB and RAM are calculating evenly. For a 3:4 ratio, for every 3x4 clock cycles, 12, the ram and fsb are sync'd. ie, get your ratio down for better bandwidth. P5N-E has a good BIOS setup for this, under the FSB and MEM submenu.

Timings are looser at higher MHz. Ie, a PC6400 running at 667MHz can have timings of 4-3-3-8, whereas at 1000MHz, 5-5-5-12 is a good timing. however, the 667 may end up being better bandwidth than 4-4-4-8@800 or thereabouts, its a matter of trial and error, and making sure that you keep an eye on the temperatures of your ram (hopefully your ram has a heatsink on it as well). What sort of ram do you have?

the North bridge mod is kinda important when overclocking this board. It, at stock, gets really hot anyway, so anything higher than 1066 or 1333 is bound to cause problems. Southbridge is less common to mod, as it only runs PCI-E 1x and other peripheral controllers. NB runs Graphics cards (PCI-E 16x) and Memory and CPU, so it's the nerve centre. However, I'm not an expert on either, so if anybody else wants to swing in, please do!
 

vot

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@anyone that can help.

Well something definately strange is happening.

I found out my temperature issues were due to the auto settings and manual settings I was setting my Vcore at.

If I set my Vcore to 1.32 in the Bios the probe would actually read like 1.37 - 1.45.

Vcore on Auto was running like 1.45-1.52 (the high temps i recorded earlier)

I set the Vcore Voltage: to 1.30000V and now the probe goes from 1.33 to 1.39 (closer to spec) (Is it supposed to flucuate like this?) Lower CPU Voltage at full load and higher CPU voltage at idle. Load = 1.33-6V Idle = 1.39V wtf!!!!!! is this normal?

Now when running orthos my CPU temp is around 39-44C (full load)

My Cores are around 45-55C now (full load)

I set my Memory Voltage to 2.013V and tweaked the timings to 4-4-4-11 800mhz which improved bandwidth... ( I have cheap memory T800UX1GC5 but it does have ram sinks and there was a review on it that said optimal settings is either 1000 5-5-5-14 2.3V or at 800 4-4-4-11 1.95V. (Module Voltage SSTL 1.8) It's meant to run at 5-5-5-15 1.8V but can be overclocked as I report and is working fine.

I changed the NB Core Voltage to 1.563 or whatever and things seem fine there.

I set Vcore offset Voltage to +100mv (problem of way to high CPU Core still happens in auto of course.)

The other thing to note is when looking at my basic Voltages i see the following:

+3.3V = 3.23V
+5V = 4.78V
+12V = 12.10V
+5V Standby = 4.87V
VBAT Battery = 3.12V

I wonder about the +3.3V the most but I think its probably within spec. as I think minimum is +3.13V and Max is 3.45V?

Still though I cant belive I have to set my Vcore to 1.3V to get a proper voltage of 1.33-1.39

Temperatures are much better now and orthos is running stable.

I still cannot go above 1500mhz FSB for some odd reason so I guess with this chip I am stuck with 3.0ghz.

I don't know if it's the chip or something else.

There are definately problems occuring here that are odd..

I understand anything under 55C for core temps should be reasonbly safe and at full load it seems to be mostly at 51C now as opposed to reaching 55-65C before.

I recall reading the E6400 runs at (1.325 - 1.35)V? so my Vcore is probably where I want it now but again wow what the heck...

I added some electrical tape around the SB and put on a crystal orb I had laying around and it made a really good fit.

I then added some thermal paste to the NB and put on a VGA HS Fan on top of the stock HSinks middle core where it gets the most heat. I secured it with screws... It seems to be taking some of the heat down based on touch.

My motherboard temperature is still 39C but now drops to 37C when idle and it did not before.

My idle temps are now as follows:

Motherboard: 37C
CPU: 34C
CPU1 Core: 28-30C
CPU2 Core: 28-30C
GPU came down to 56C
GPU Ambient came down to 42C

So getting the Vcore where it is supposed to actually be was the biggest accomplisment regarding temperatures. I think as long as the Vcore doesnt drop below 1.325V I should be stable.

The power supply I am using is a brand new Antec 500W Earthwatts ATX12V v2.2

I don't think the NB needs to be reset with Arctic Silver 5 because it is very hot I just think it needs some help cooling off but I could be wrong..

Someone help me make sense of all this...

One more thing my raid card I use is a JMB36xx chipset PCI-X1 slot card and it does not perform the speeds it should but it beats the software nvidia raid and it beats a standard SATA drive speed wise. I know the SB is in control of this slot and wonder if this could be a problem somewhere.

I do not think I am hitting my 500W on my power supply or seriously doubt it even with the 5 fans in my case right now.

This has been a cheap board I tried to make into something ausome and it just fell short and I am just trying to get it stable at 3ghz what a let down...

oh well... 3ghz is fine until I can get a unlocked proccessor later I guess...
 

Acharash

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Sounds like you may have the setting in BIOS that automatically changes the voltages according to load. Can't remember what it's called, but when I look around my BIOS next, I'll work it out for you. Otherwise, just look at BIOS and see. Fluctuations in voltages are alright, as long as they don't fry your core/mem/NB or cause crashes. Basically, it's a matter of setting the Volts high enough to stop crashes at the increased speed, and low enough to keep temps down. Flux in between doesn't matter.
 

Acharash

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Oh, and the 1500FSB limit may be due to the Mobo rating at 1333Mhz max and nothing more. Once you get the NB HS working well, try slowly edging it up by 10 per time or somethign...
 

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I'm going to build my system tomorrow; I'm a noob at changing the volt settings for the 4 gigs of ram. Can someone give me a run down of what to do or expect? Thanks a lot
 

Acharash

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You won't be able to get the timings down to 1CPC (1t). Lowest I was able to get my RAM at 800MHz was 4-3-3-8@2t which gave great bandwidth. Try letting everything go with auto, then see if you POST, then slowly bump the VDIMM up a notch at a time till you do POST properly. I'm at max 2.2v.