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Zebo

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Originally posted by: fixmarky
Does anybody know if the board's NFORCE 4 Ultra chipset and Audiomax card inherently conflict with a ENVY24 based soundcard? My Chaintech AV-710 isn't outputting any sound and now no other soundcard is either...

Turn off on board sound in bios and be sure and install drivers for whatever audio card you install.
 

LYHTSPD

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I have one of the Abit AN8-SLI boards and a 3200+ Venice cpu coming tomorrow. This will be my first AMD system, so I will let you know how it goes.
 

shortbean

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It booted 1st try but then I had trouble. (Build bottom)

- I started getting BSoD (Blue Screen of Death) and recognition errors.
- I recalled I had a SR-2 Windows install issue it froze and had to be restart.
- So I Scrammed it all restarted-over full install. Then BSoD came back.
- I did Memtest had 6 errors test #5 in 45 mins.
- And rounding issue >.05 in Prime95.
- Called OCZ (1st ring) Sean said boost voltage to DDRs to 2.7; I did and no errors Memtest 13-16 hours.
- Did cursory PCmark5.0 and fine. But then PCMark5.0 BSoD on full Test. I can do all of them but the PCMark5.0 Memory test which always BSoDs.
- Boosted Voltage from default 1.4? Vcore to 1.525 recommended somewhere.
- Nforce increased to 1.6
- HyperConnect increased to 1.225
- It now Holds Prime95.
- Boots out of BF2 30-45 mins into game
- Boots 45-90 mins into Guild Wars
- Gets a you may be having a generic overheated CPU, DDR, MB, message once and a while.
- It instantly freezes if I attempt to hit turbo in OCGuru ABit control panel. But it accepts all other modes thou.
- CPU peaks after long game time at 54-56 C. But holds Prime95 3-4 hours at 51C.
- Rest of Box Never gets over 34C
- Not getting a GPU Temp should I be?


BTW no OCn? yet I want it stable 1st. Bios is up to date.
I?m a Noob Help Please.

Next day
Found bios 16 hurray!!!
hmmm interesting development in both 15 and 16 bios
I set DDRV in Bios to 2.8 and Memtest stable 13+ hours

BUT

I notice that something is changing it to 2.5 in xp uGuru? But it doesn't change any other voltage changed setting ie Nforce, Vcore, HyperConnect.

Would Explain Stable Dos vs Unstable Windows. BTW BSoD on Windows Change to 2.7-2.8. Booo!! SO I?m stuck at 2.5 DDRV. Maybe Uninstall Uguru?

Anyone know how to Disable Audio on MB? BTW what is the FDC controller? Book says u can enable or disable ?IT.?

ALL my drives Optical and HDD are SATA connected don't know if that matters. But they all function well but are in the ?safely remove hardware? Box. Any fixes?


OCZ 2x 512 Platinum pc3200 2-2-2-5
eVGA 256-P2-N376-AX Geforce 6800GT 256MB GDDR3 PCI $345
AMD Athlon 64 3500+ Venice 1GHz FSB Socket 939 Processor $267
Abit AN8-ultra $136
Artic Cooler Freezer 64 $29 (jab-Tech VERY quiet)
Nexus 120mm QUIET fan $15x2 (The Quietest fans Jab-Tech)
Antec P160 $79 (Fry's electronics i wanted the p180 $145, but i traded this for 3500 Venice core err we will see how I Like it)
WD 74GB Raptor SATA ($162 Fry's)
WD 250GB SATA ($110 Fry's)
ANTEC 500W Smartpower 2.0 ($39 bucks at Fry's Pretty quiet so far)
Zboard Keyboard BF2 (i suck at it so far)
Audigy 2 ZS gamer
 

shortbean

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1) Blue screens of death (BSoD) looks like it?s memory related. ie the memory voltage is being reset from bios setting of 2.7-2.8 range to the 2.5 in windows no explanation why and windows ABIT uGuru BSoDs me if i try to change it to 2.7-2.8

1b) 7 hours 20 mins of Memtest last night I got 20 passes - 1 error Test #7: 0002533d3ec-595.8mb - good 729ccc13 - bad 729cce13 - error bits 0000020 ?count channel 1 DDRV was set at 2.8 I rolled it back to 2.75 calling OCZ today.

1c) This AM i uninstall ABIT uGuru thinking it was swapping DDRV but i can't find a way to see what voltage the DDRs are getting in windows NOT DOS without it, any help?

1d) I still BSoD on Windows PCMARK5.0 memory test only.

2) Maybe a small temp problem if very rare occasional peaks of 56C are a problem.

3) ALL my drives Optical and HDD are SATA connected don't know if that matters. But they all function well but they all appear in the ?safely remove hardware? Windows XP Box.

 

shortbean

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ABIT - Your Reliable Partner

US Homepage is down this am.


Thanks for quick reply

Temp question- maybe too much AS5, but it's very quiet below whisper on full load. I?ll check AS5 soon. Idle is 36c

uGuru is ABit Temp monitor/ OC tool/ Bios Updater/ and 2 other things I don?t know. I did uninstall this AM and it looks like Everest is telling me I?m getting 2.75v to the chips now. (I tried Everest last night must have missed sensor page thanks for directing me)

I?ll start Memory testing.
 

shortbean

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No go on 2-2-2-7 but 2-2-2-8 2.85v is solid 6+ hours Memtest and PCMark05 in windows solid.

Dump uGuru 2.306 find version 2.307 NOT on utilities abit homepage site... search the ABit forum to find it. Version 2.306 auto assigns 2.5 as DDRV no matter what u do in Bios.
 

bsix

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I have a DFI Ultra-D and will be replacing it with the AN8 Ultra due to the quiet heatpipe solution and also since the DFI has the memory location up top, the processor will not line up with cool air duct on my Antec 3000B. I am trying to do a mild overclock as quietly as possible, and I am not sure the DFI is the right direction.

Quick noob questions: 1) I obviously should do a reinstall of Window with the new board, right? How do I do this? 2) What would be the best way to sell the DFI - which works perfectly? I've sold items on EBay before but I'm thinking there may be a better place. Any thing I can do to help convince sellers that they will get a working board?

Thanks
 

furballi

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To eliminate software issues, ALWAYS clean install WXP. How did you install WXP the first time? Wipe the hard drive, and reboot with WXP disc in CD ROM and set as 1st boot.

1/4 overlap of the CPU cooling fan is sufficient. The duct does not have to be RIGHT on top of the CPU fan. Just position the duct to within 1/3" of the CPU cooling fan.
 

vailr

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How to avoid re-installing the operating system (WinXP):
Once up and running; Start/Run/cmd:
At the command prompt:

set devmgr_show_nonpresent_devices=1 (enter)
start devmgmt.msc (enter)

Check "View/show hidden devices".
Now "uninstall" any greyed-out (or yellowed) devices.
Reboot.
 

bsix

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Thanks for the input. For the ultra-d the duct is right over the top memory slot, none of the fan would be showing. What this would do is short circuit the cooling loop and pull air directly out of the back case fan. I would almost be better plugging it up. The northbridge fan is pretty loud and with the AN8 this is not such a worry.

Plus I already ordered the AN8.

With the clean install-would I just reformat the hard drive to wipe it clean? from there I would just reboot from the CD.
 

shortbean

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This looks like an okay guide.
http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/windowsxp_sg_clean.asp

I suggest after install you do the following immediately after XP install.

1) DISABLE SYSTEM RESTORE (most spyware hides in here) It?s in your system folder in control panel (classic view I swap everything to Classic)
2) ONLY go www. CNET, MSN Update Page, Google to reduce risk of getting a Spyware program.
3) Start Windows CUSTOM updates (might as well get your Monitor etc updates too) and the 5+ shutdowns required to do so. Make sure not to mess around while SP-2 updates or you?ll be screwed; just start over less grief.
4) Go to Google install Google toolbar . Spiking System Restore and using MS and Google pop-killer is about 99% effective at nailing Pop-ups.
5) When Finished CNET and grab your AVG or Avast virus software (might as well make a desktop folder for downloads.) While on your there get Spybot Search and Destroy and Ad-Aware.
6) Install virus program and reboot. (did you make HD 1st boot device yet in bios?)
7) Install Spybot S&D and IMMUNIZE!! Install Ad-Aware. Reboot if necessary.
8) Go to Run type ?msconfig? write down what is in start-up menu (I toss it in my XP install jewel case.) If it?s not there now you probably won?t need to see it there later sound card usually don?t need to be there but ohh will they try to come back as will msmnsger, yahoo Ypager, and realplayer etc etc.
9) Go to motherboard company page get all the latest drivers and install about 3-4 more reboots later you should be in business.
10) Don?t forget to check msconfig after an install and check to see if u really want the crap they put in there.
 

OldnCheap

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Originally posted by: dinos22
yeah i took of the silent chipset cooler and applied silver thermal compound.....it pretty cool here so no complains
Dinos22, did you remove the thermal pad before adding the thermal compound? If so, does the pad have to be removed before the chipset gets hot so the pad won't melt? Or can I remove it later if I don't like the performance?

 

shortbean

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This board is crap.. 4 out of 10 stars or 40%

I recently installed a 3200, value ocz, and 9800 pro on old NF8 ABit board for my wife and it's a 1000x more stable than this crap with new 6800 gt, 3500 Venice, Rev 2 plat OCZs.

What the hell is a FDC controller? Abit manuel says ?Two options are available: enabled and disabled. The default setting is enabled you can enable or disable the onboard FDC controller.? Sounds like school kid on a test who doesn?t know test question. ? What happened in 1066?? Answer- ?The most important event of 1066 led to 1067.?

You can find more up-to-date uGuru on ABit forums than on the ABit MB homepage, Which BTW is down AGAIN this am that's 2 days out of 4 it's down! Only the US ABit board site too. This is not the way to do business!!! Get your crap together.

BTW if your running SATA I suggest you delete NV IDE drivers IN MS add-remove programs 1) They make remove drives crap pop up in the MS safely remove window bottom right of xp. 2) They slow up your Drives. My raptor was perfoming near 5400 rpms so says PCMARK05. This is such a childs attempt at design it?s just incompetence. My dimms worked poorly in slots 1-2. I suggest if you have problems slide ?em in 3-4. Why not separate your dimms like all the other good boards out there.

Sent a letter too ABit a week ago they never bothered to say they received it or reply that the fix to the uGuru re-assigning DDRV fix was out only in the forums as far as I know not on MB homepage. I?m convinced I notified them about this DDRV re-assignment. If an idiot like me is doing your testing you?re screwed.

Now Fix the Bios!! Some people are still loading BIOS 13 and are convinced it?s the best. I see you agree because you use to just post BIOS 15 on MB homepage now you got 13-15-16 up. I don?t even want to know what 14 looked like. 16 runs like a tweaked up bunny in a doghouse.

Looks like FDC controller is a floppy disk controller no thx to ABit book.


The Black Box? System dxdiag thing in uGuru does nothing as far as I can tell but CPU-Z, Everest, and every other program in the world knows what is in my computer. It wants me to manually input all the info. And then there is a little uGuru yellow circle icon. It?s located in the bottom right of XP too. The thing says ?right click me? when you do bupkis, It does nothing but disappear. So in effect the right click uGuru at bottom right of XP brings up only 60% of debatable properly functioning devices. And so my review will be the opposite. A big 40% for a MB that I enjoy 40% of my time and work to fix 60% of the time.

AMD Athlon 64 3500+ Venice 1GHz FSB Socket 939 Processor OCZ 2x 512 Platinum pc3200 2-2-2-5 rev 2
eVGA 256-P2-N376-AX Geforce 6800GT 256MB GDDR3 PCI
Abit AN8-ultra
WD 74GB Raptor SATA
WD 250GB SATA
ANTEC 500W Smartpower 2.0
Artic Cooler Freezer 64
Nexus 120mm QUIET fan
Antec P160
Zboard Keyboard BF2
Audigy 2 ZS gamer


btw my settings for most stability are
DDRV 2-2-2-8 2.85v
no-oc'n
6600 PCI-e should now be fixed it was inoperable last week.
1.52 to core
1.6 to nforce4
htt 1.25

No uGuru
No IDE Nforce Drivers

 

fixmarky

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Can drivers even slow down a hard drive's RPM?

I "finished" my rig a week ago but I still can't get sound out of it (not using the AudioMax). I'm getting a new soundcard next week and hopefully it'll work. Prior to my sound problem I had freezing issues that were fixed when I flashed BIOS 16. This is my first build so I don't really have any other motherboards to compare to....
 

shortbean

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NO but if you assume the correct driver will make it perform better the wrong driver will make it PERFORM worse. And that is what exactly what PCMARK05 is measuring perfromance not speed.
 

shortbean

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AN8-ULTRA my most stable set-up what a nightmare.

I feel your pain (like disbarred Clinton use to say.) My gamming was a 10 min at most experience I changed some stuff to get more stability. [system details bottom]

1) Disable FDC if you don?t use it
2) DDRV 2-2-2-8 2.85v (Sean at OCZ says 2.70-2.85 cool I?m most stable at 2.85 I tested 3x for 8.5 hours Memtest and a 4116 PCMark05 Score BUT I STILL FAIL PCMARK05 1 OUT 10 TIMES)
3) no-oc'n (I insta-crash if I OC in uGuru Turbo, Manuel, or Bios)
4) 1.52 to core
5) 1.6 to nforce4
6) htt 1.25
7) Delete uGuru
8) Delete IDE Nforce Drivers delete them in add/remove programs
9) Disable Any IDE your not using in set-up. I use none; so I disable them all
10) MOST IMPORTANT - DISABLE SHADOW MOUSE THING (it is in section 3-5 book Integrated Peripherals / Onchip PCI Device / USB Memory Type / Base 640k. I also enable both USB in dos for no apparent reason)

I can?t think what else I changed but that got me to about 1 ? 3 hr stability BF2 and Guild Wars. My crashes occur around heat spikes (a millisecond spike) to usually 56 c; I don?t know why that would matter. I?m thinking it is a result of crash and not cause. I idle 36 c and Load 51 ? 55 c with occasional 56 c. Gonna get a xp-90 I think, but I?m not happy about it.
 

bsix

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My results have not been as bad as shortbean's. In fact they have been quite good with the AN* ultra except for some minor issues. I have a AMD 3000+ that I couldn't overclock at all until I understood some points and tried to follow Zebo's guide.

I have Twinmos SP 2x512MB modules that I can't get past 230 Mhz. I'm running the DDR 333 divider. This is at 3.0 volts at 2-2-2-6. Above 230 Mhz (at a low CPU divider) memtest has major errors - even if I crank up the latency to 3-3-3-10. All this is using 2T instead of 1T- the 1T seems to have major problems.

With the 3000+ and the x9 multiplier - I have gotten to 280 FSB and 2500 core stable with prime95 error free on a 24 hour run. CPU Fan is undervolted to spin at 1400 RPM, with th XP-90 it hasnt gone above 54C. I have heard that the ABit reports high temps as well, so I am not too worried about this. So the memory with the .83 divider is not that big an issue - I really don't want to go much past the 280 FSB. I think this would be the best overclock/stability/ low noise system one could get right now. Based on my experience DO NOT USE uguru software to overclock - it does not have the ability to change HTT or memory dividers, and hence lockup the computer. To do this you have to set the HHT Multiplier to 3x - otherwise problems.

I would say that if I did this again, I would still look for LL memory that could handle 250 MHZ or so and get a 3200 Venice with the 10x multiplier. This would result in a 2500 MHZ system with 1000HTT (4x multi) and 1/1 memory. I just worry that my FSB might be a little high for a rock stable system.

The only issue I have had so far is with formating a partition in the hard disk - Windows said that the HD is already in use. By going back to standard clock the formatting worked. I do have the drive on SATA-1 - I don't know if this is locked or not. This was also with the NVIDIA drivers from the disk, I went to 6.66 to clear up some networking port issues.

So I am not sure about the Nvidia IDE drivers - maybe that will fix the formatting issues. With the comments about the drivers causing problems - I'm going to wait until the next release.

My equipment summary: XP-90 with Ying Yang 92mm fan, Seasonic s12-430 power, x800 xl board, AMD 64 3000+ Venice.
 

bsix

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Shortbean, - with the uguru software - the yellow clock is for the add-in "clock" that is a seperate component. This was only availble with the fataility systems and so does not load up with the AN8 2.0/ultra/sli since this component is not available.
 

BoomAM

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Originally posted by: shortbeanLooks like FDC controller is a floppy disk controller no thx to ABit book.
Put your dummy away.
Have you stopped to think that it could be something else causing the problems? Or would that ruin your chance to whine about a product that the vast mojority of people have had good experiances with, just so you can be different?
And i see the 'junior member' monkier applys quite well to you. Drivers CANNOT change a drives RPM. Fact.
And am i the only one who instantly thought Floppy Disk Controller when i saw FDC?
 

shortbean

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BoomAM lets practice law of identity ?A is A and can never be B? ?B is B and not A and never will be.?

My quote
?My raptor was performing near 5400 rpms so says PCMARK05.?

Your remark
?Drivers CANNOT change a drives RPM..?

How does ?near? suggest in anyway that it WAS performing at 5400 rpms. The statement only states that the performance of the driver was so bad the performance was NEAR 5400 rpms. Same way I suggest that a certain board members double-wide performs near a single-wide cause it?s nearly packed full of crap.

And since I removed the Nvidia Drivers it performed at the rated speed. The absence of the non-perfromance coupled with the removal of the drivers seems to imply the drivers were at fault. Would u like to defend ABIT for releasing a Bios that Changed the uGuru and the Bios DDRV setting from anything to 2.6v? Is that a sign of there genius at work? Or in your simple world 2.6v to the DDRV just fine.

Go practice law of identity. ?Performance was near? never ever means ?changes.? I honestly have no idea how you read it that way.

Now for the FDC controller issue: Some of us don?t spend our life or 4505 posts of it on this board. And I think it is reasonable for the MB manufacturer to include a description of the product attributes in the manual.

I grabbed 4 MB books just now 3 of them 2 MSI and the ABit NF8 Manual describe the FDC as the Floppy Disk Controller. Yet the AN8-Ultra fails too. I disabled the FDC on all of those and assume I learned the language then. Not spending my time memorizing arcane MB Bios terminology is something I take pride in. I hope you memorizing this very important acronym makes you feel better than me. I prefer to think that adding those three words ?floppy disk controller? to the book would have made sense.