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Vic

Vic

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Well, the universe is a strange place. It exists by its own rules because it is all that exists. There is nothing outside holding it.
 
Malak

Malak

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Originally posted by: Mloot
Originally posted by: Doggiedog
I know its way over my head but I don't understand how this is possible. If the speed of light is an absolute limit, how can something expand so quickly so fast to that size?
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If I understand it correctly, at the beginning of the universe the laws of physics as we know them today didn't really exist.
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It's real easy to remove all the rules applied to science to prove a scientific theory when you really can't prove it at all :disgust:.
 
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Doggiedog

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Originally posted by: Dissipate
Originally posted by: Doggiedog
I know its way over my head but I don't understand how this is possible. If the speed of light is an absolute limit, how can something expand so quickly so fast to that size?
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Going the speed of light is possible outside of the universe. That law only applies to matter inside the universe. So the matter at the edge where the expansion is taking place can travel faster than the speed of light.
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<Head Explodes>
 
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EGGO

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Originally posted by: ironcrotch
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: ironcrotch
Originally posted by: Shawn
Originally posted by: chuckywang
Here's my question: If the universe was created from the Big Bang, what was around that spot where the Big Band occured?
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nothing
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that really trips me out to think that there was actually nothing, i mean just nothing. emptiness. scary.
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It wasn't emptiness. Emptiness implies a space and time. It was NOTHING. Space-time did not exist.
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There can't be just nothing. I understand the premise of NOTHING. Just seems crazy that there was nothing, there has to be something for there be nothing. I picture myself sitting in a completely dark closet, theres nothing in there and thats what I picture as the emptiness, but theres the outside holding that nothingness.
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Not meaning to start a thread war, but it's akin to when Christians say that God was just ALWAYS there. How can he be always there and be the beginning? There must have been space and time before him, just think about it for a while. He has no inception, there was no progenitor or anything. We don't even know how much time passed by until he said "K. I'll make earth."

Mind you, I'm not christian.
 
Vic

Vic

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Originally posted by: EGGO
Originally posted by: ironcrotch
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: ironcrotch
Originally posted by: Shawn
Originally posted by: chuckywang
Here's my question: If the universe was created from the Big Bang, what was around that spot where the Big Band occured?
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nothing
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that really trips me out to think that there was actually nothing, i mean just nothing. emptiness. scary.
Click to expand...

It wasn't emptiness. Emptiness implies a space and time. It was NOTHING. Space-time did not exist.
Click to expand...

There can't be just nothing. I understand the premise of NOTHING. Just seems crazy that there was nothing, there has to be something for there be nothing. I picture myself sitting in a completely dark closet, theres nothing in there and thats what I picture as the emptiness, but theres the outside holding that nothingness.
Click to expand...

Not meaning to start a thread war, but it's akin to when Christians say that God was just ALWAYS there. How can he be always there and be the beginning? There must have been space and time before him, just think about it for a while. He has no inception, there was no progenitor or anything. We don't even know how much time passed by until he said "K. I'll make earth."

Mind you, I'm not christian.
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I'm not going to get into any religious argument or God existential discussion, but I need to point out that I think your premise here is flawed. The matter-energy of the universe has always existed and always will. Matter-energy cannot be created or destroyed.
Think of it this way. If you were somehow conscious as a particle of light moving at the speed of light, you would know neither space nor time. For lack of a better word, all would be "eternal." That was the state of the universe prior to the big bang.
 
mrSHEiK124

mrSHEiK124

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Originally posted by: Dissipate
How come none of these theories explain wtf the universe exapanded into, and if it continues to expand wtf is outside the area of exapansion?
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