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JLGatsby

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Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
Originally posted by: Stojakapimp
Originally posted by: kogase
Originally posted by: Stojakapimp
Originally posted by: kogase
Originally posted by: Stojakapimp
Originally posted by: JLGatsby
....But...it's not in the bible??

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth"

btw, I'm not a literalist, so don't try and start a debate with me

In other words you're not a Christian. The Bible is pretty clear on lots of stuff.

I have trouble understanding how all the matter in the universe could be condensed into a microscopic particle. Don't atoms themselves have a certain amount of mass that couldn't be condensed past a certain point?

Of course I'm a Christian. An Orthodox Christian to be exact

People who pick and choose what they want to believe from the Bible aren't Christians. You're a Stojakapimpian, and I wouldn't hold out hope of getting into the Christian heaven if I were you.

If you had any sort of background into Orthodoxy then you would know that we don't pick and choose what we want. Why do you think there are thousands of Protestant sects? Because they do exactly that. Orthodoxy is about Tradition, not picking and choosing however you feel that day

How do you deal with conflicts between the old testament and the new? Do you believe that God can change his mind?

Operation "Troll Science Thread" complete.
 

TheoPetro

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does that deal with how OUR universe started or the total universe comprised of all infinante parallel universes? maby there all the same? but the laws of physics in our universe may not hold true for the other ones. hmm.

(no this isnt bullshit its what some physicists are proposing today. may or may not be what the universe actually is. makes it the perfect theory cant test it so cant prove it false right ;) )
 

kogase

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Yeah, sorry about hijacking the thread, I just couldn't... help myself. I'm seriously interested in the question I asked though. How can all the matter in the known universe physically be condensed into a micropscopic particle?
 

JLGatsby

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Originally posted by: kogase
Yeah, sorry about hijacking the thread, I just couldn't... help myself. I'm seriously interested in the question I asked though. How can all the matter in the known universe physically be condensed into a micropscopic particle?

Just because you cannot understand it, that does not make it so.

I would guess, and I'm not a expert or anything, but my guess would be some sort of "balanced out" mixture of an unknown "negative matter," (dark matter/dark energy) which canceled out "real world matter." But some sort of event caused it to explode and the negative and positive matter to interact and create real world matter or convert negative matter to positive real world matter.

But I'm have no idea what I'm talking about, these are just ramblings from my head.
 

dopcombo

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Hmm... taking a leaf from sub-atomic physics where a particle can exist in multiple places at one time, then all the particles in the world used to be in the same place at the same time could be a possibility. An incredibly unstable one though, which is why they expanded so quickly within a trillionth. And maybe they didn't expand in the physical sense of movement as we think of a flying vehicle. But they just "existed" into positions where it was more mathematically feasible for them to be in?

I'm just talking crock here but it's an incredibly interesting topic.

"If god created our universe, does god have a god to creat his universe?" - dopcombo, 2006.
 

dugweb

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Originally posted by: kogase
Originally posted by: Stojakapimp
We're taking this thread way off topic so I don't want to debate about it anymore, but I find it so hard to believe that everything in the Bible is literal. I mean there are conflicting stories about creation, so how do you get around that? Just look at the New Testament...it is filled with parables, which are not all true stories, but rather teach about spiritual truths

That combined with my original observation is why I'm not a Christian. It just doesn't make any sense.

:confused: were you trying to make a point? seriously.
 

JLGatsby

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Originally posted by: dopcombo
Hmm... taking a leaf from sub-atomic physics where a particle can exist in multiple places at one time, then all the particles in the world used to be in the same place at the same time could be a possibility. An incredibly unstable one though, which is why they expanded so quickly within a trillionth. And maybe they didn't expand in the physical sense of movement as we think of a flying vehicle. But they just "existed" into positions where it was more mathematically feasible for them to be in?

The first part about particles existing in the same place, good idea, but the second one no because they've shown that the universe is constantly moving away from itself and expanding wider, as if it were an explosion of some sort.

So saying all particles in the universe existing in the same place at the same time cause some sort of giant explosion which threw everything into the universe, that's a better idea.
 

Stojakapimp

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Originally posted by: kogase
Originally posted by: Stojakapimp
We're taking this thread way off topic so I don't want to debate about it anymore, but I find it so hard to believe that everything in the Bible is literal. I mean there are conflicting stories about creation, so how do you get around that? Just look at the New Testament...it is filled with parables, which are not all true stories, but rather teach about spiritual truths

That combined with my original observation is why I'm not a Christian. It just doesn't make any sense.

So let me get this straight: You're not a Christian because you disagree with your own interpretation of Christianity?
 

Dissipate

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How come none of these theories explain wtf the universe exapanded into, and if it continues to expand wtf is outside the area of exapansion?
 

Dissipate

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Originally posted by: Doggiedog
I know its way over my head but I don't understand how this is possible. If the speed of light is an absolute limit, how can something expand so quickly so fast to that size?

Going the speed of light is possible outside of the universe. That law only applies to matter inside the universe. So the matter at the edge where the expansion is taking place can travel faster than the speed of light.
 

Powermoloch

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Originally posted by: kogase
Yeah, sorry about hijacking the thread, I just couldn't... help myself. I'm seriously interested in the question I asked though. How can all the matter in the known universe physically be condensed into a micropscopic particle?

"who knows" lol
 

chuckywang

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Here's my question: If the universe was created from the Big Bang, what was around that spot where the Big Band occured?
 

Dissipate

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Originally posted by: chuckywang
Here's my question: If the universe was created from the Big Bang, what was around that spot where the Big Band occured?

Absolutely nothing. And when I mean nothing I mean NOOOOOOOOOTHING. You can't even comprehend how nothing this nothing is that I speak of.

But mathematicians have proven that nothingness is unstable, hence the Big Bang.
 

RaistlinZ

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Originally posted by: Dissipate
How come none of these theories explain wtf the universe exapanded into, and if it continues to expand wtf is outside the area of exapansion?

I think science is still hundreds of years away from being able to answer that question. But it will, eventually.
 

TheChort

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Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
Originally posted by: Mloot
Originally posted by: Doggiedog
I know its way over my head but I don't understand how this is possible. If the speed of light is an absolute limit, how can something expand so quickly so fast to that size?

If I understand it correctly, at the beginning of the universe the laws of physics as we know them today didn't really exist.

my enormous penis tends to alter the laws of physics sometimes too.

chuck?
 

Dissipate

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Originally posted by: RaistlinZ
Originally posted by: Dissipate
How come none of these theories explain wtf the universe exapanded into, and if it continues to expand wtf is outside the area of exapansion?

I think science is still hundreds of years away from being able to answer that question. But it will, eventually.

Why do you say that? Do you actually think that we could breach the confines of our universe and actually go into that place? (if it could even be called a 'place')


Personally, my favorite theory is that of computational physics. I believe that the universe consists of series of computational processes that could be reverse engineered or even perhaps reverse-computed. As part and parcel of this theory I believe that the ultimate building block of the universe is information. Hence, the quantity of this information or the manner in which it is computed is arbitrary (at least to an observer outside the universe).

It's like specifying how many levels there are in a video game. One? Two? A thousand? An infinite number? All you have to do is program it that way.

And I have no clue as to how the universe has been 'programmed.' I just know that we have already reverse engineered a great deal of that programming with math and physics.
 

Yossarian

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Originally posted by: JLGatsby
Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
Originally posted by: Stojakapimp
Originally posted by: kogase
Originally posted by: Stojakapimp
Originally posted by: kogase
Originally posted by: Stojakapimp
Originally posted by: JLGatsby
....But...it's not in the bible??

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth"

btw, I'm not a literalist, so don't try and start a debate with me

In other words you're not a Christian. The Bible is pretty clear on lots of stuff.

I have trouble understanding how all the matter in the universe could be condensed into a microscopic particle. Don't atoms themselves have a certain amount of mass that couldn't be condensed past a certain point?

Of course I'm a Christian. An Orthodox Christian to be exact

People who pick and choose what they want to believe from the Bible aren't Christians. You're a Stojakapimpian, and I wouldn't hold out hope of getting into the Christian heaven if I were you.

If you had any sort of background into Orthodoxy then you would know that we don't pick and choose what we want. Why do you think there are thousands of Protestant sects? Because they do exactly that. Orthodoxy is about Tradition, not picking and choosing however you feel that day

How do you deal with conflicts between the old testament and the new? Do you believe that God can change his mind?

Operation "Troll Science Thread" complete.

I'll be happy when you're banned again. Hopefully for good this time.
 

Shawn

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Originally posted by: chuckywang
Here's my question: If the universe was created from the Big Bang, what was around that spot where the Big Band occured?

nothing
 

DaFinn

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Originally posted by: Dissipate
Originally posted by: chuckywang
Here's my question: If the universe was created from the Big Bang, what was around that spot where the Big Band occured?

Absolutely nothing. And when I mean nothing I mean NOOOOOOOOOTHING. You can't even comprehend how nothing this nothing is that I speak of.

But mathematicians have proven that nothingness is unstable, hence the Big Bang.

My mom allways said there is absolutely NOTHING in my head... so beware, I might explode any time now :Q
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: kogase
Originally posted by: Stojakapimp
Originally posted by: kogase
Originally posted by: Stojakapimp
Originally posted by: JLGatsby
....But...it's not in the bible??

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth"

btw, I'm not a literalist, so don't try and start a debate with me

In other words you're not a Christian. The Bible is pretty clear on lots of stuff.

I have trouble understanding how all the matter in the universe could be condensed into a microscopic particle. Don't atoms themselves have a certain amount of mass that couldn't be condensed past a certain point?

Of course I'm a Christian. An Orthodox Christian to be exact

People who pick and choose what they want to believe from the Bible aren't Christians. You're a Stojakapimpian, and I wouldn't hold out hope of getting into the Christian heaven if I were you.
:roll:

All the matter in the universe was condensed by virtue of e = mc^2. Prior to the Big Bang, it was not matter, it was energy.

BTW, the word "created" is not used in the original Hebrew text. The Hebrew word was bara, and it means filled or fattened (for example, God filled Elijah's heart with joy). "In the beginning, God filled the heavens and the earth."

Thank you, troll through...
 

ironcrotch

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Originally posted by: Shawn
Originally posted by: chuckywang
Here's my question: If the universe was created from the Big Bang, what was around that spot where the Big Band occured?

nothing

that really trips me out to think that there was actually nothing, i mean just nothing. emptiness. scary.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: ironcrotch
Originally posted by: Shawn
Originally posted by: chuckywang
Here's my question: If the universe was created from the Big Bang, what was around that spot where the Big Band occured?

nothing

that really trips me out to think that there was actually nothing, i mean just nothing. emptiness. scary.

It wasn't emptiness. Emptiness implies a space and time. It was NOTHING. Space-time did not exist.
 

ironcrotch

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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: ironcrotch
Originally posted by: Shawn
Originally posted by: chuckywang
Here's my question: If the universe was created from the Big Bang, what was around that spot where the Big Band occured?

nothing

that really trips me out to think that there was actually nothing, i mean just nothing. emptiness. scary.

It wasn't emptiness. Emptiness implies a space and time. It was NOTHING. Space-time did not exist.

There can't be just nothing. I understand the premise of NOTHING. Just seems crazy that there was nothing, there has to be something for there be nothing. I picture myself sitting in a completely dark closet, theres nothing in there and thats what I picture as the emptiness, but theres the outside holding that nothingness.