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Pens1566

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Prescription ads SHOULD be barred from mass market advertising (TV, radio, papers). It should be limited to professional journals/periodicals only. There's no reason that I should be telling my Dr that "Xycolizolitolrhufimab is right for me".

Maybe take some of that advertising budget and redirect it to R&D. Last #s I saw were that across the industry, ad spend was roughly 4x of research. That's just fucking wrong.
 

ch33zw1z

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Ok but what’s the trade off? Polio is back in style. Nah, sorry, I’ll just skip ads and not watched content with ads like I do now.
 
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Prescription ads SHOULD be barred from mass market advertising (TV, radio, papers). It should be limited to professional journals/periodicals only. There's no reason that I should be telling my Dr that "Xycolizolitolrhufimab is right for me".
How can people know to talk to their doctor about a newly treatable condition if it hasn't been treatable before? Or maybe their current regimen is not really doing a great job for their condition, and a switch to something else could be a good idea (and they didn't know something else was available). Or even HIV drug commercials: showing a broad spectrum of patients, allowing the audience to identify and perhaps again, seek treatment or treatment adjustment.
 

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Ok but what’s the trade off? Polio is back in style. Nah, sorry, I’ll just skip ads and not watched content with ads like I do now.
I don't think TV ads had much to do with getting the word out about the original Polio vaxx.

How can people know to talk to their doctor about a newly treatable condition if it hasn't been treatable before? Or maybe their current regimen is not really doing a great job for their condition, and a switch to something else could be a good idea (and they didn't know something else was available). Or even HIV drug commercials: showing a broad spectrum of patients, allowing the audience to identify and perhaps again, seek treatment or treatment adjustment.
I'm a very, VERY, big advocate for myself in the Dr's office. Well informed on my issues, history, treatments, side effects, etc. Over many years and many ... unique specialty visits. I've never once told my Dr that I think this new drug/treatment is something I'm interested in. And that's with 25yrs of living with a SO with a prescription pad (they agree with me, btw, that ads should be off the air).

The correct way is for the expert to be aware of the patient and their condition(s), discuss any current improvements/worsening and work together on a path forward. If it moves towards something they're not experienced in, off to a specialist referral.

The average population (walmart shopper) has no ability to go into their GP and say "I think I should take XYZ because studies have shown that patients in my cohort have a 25% increased rate of cure with it over the old ABC from Pfizer". They can't even navigate the fucking cereal isle. Pharma marketing is an inefficiency and should be nuked from orbit.
 

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If ads on "tv" were some contributory factor in making a correct diagnosis then i wouldn't know that any disease exists except ulcerative colitis/Crohn's disease.

Not sure why but quite literally half the youtube advertising i get on my roku is for that particular malady.
 
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My post is about the bad that comes along with anti science people running science based .gov’s
How about split the difference. Advertising is allowed (large scale ads) once there is a generic equivalent and before that in limited professional papers or sources is fine.
 

Pens1566

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If ads on "tv" were some contributory factor in making a correct diagnosis then i wouldn't know that any disease exists except ulcerative colitis/Crohn's disease.

Not sure why but quite literally half the youtube advertising i get on my roku is for that particular malady.

Most common I see on TV are wegovy/ozempic, and HIV preps. Small # of crohns, psoriasis mixed in.

I don't watch youtube.
 

ch33zw1z

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How about split the difference. Advertising is allowed (large scale ads) once there is a generic equivalent and before that in limited professional papers or sources is fine.

Split what difference? I’ll take none of the above if it means an anti vaxxer gets to run the FDA.
 
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Split what difference? I’ll take none of the above if it means an anti vaxxer gets to run the FDA.
Good point.
Feels weird to say Moscow Mitch said something to the effect anyone who is against vaccinations cannot be on the board. Strange that he is the one to draw the line but he had polio as a child and has always been pro vaccination plus supports vaccinating folks in other countries
 
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Good point.
Feels weird to say Moscow Mitch said something to the effect anyone who is against vaccinations cannot be on the board. Strange that he is the one to draw the line but he had polio as a child and has always been pro vaccination plus supports vaccinating folks in other countries

he has no one to blame but himself. He dug his own hole here, so hell bent of blocking Dem’s that he did whatever it took. Just another boomer to get the best of America and FYGM for everyone else
 
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The latest one from the brain worm addled one: Chemtrails...errr...Contrails!!!


Yup, it doesn't matter how times it's been debunked, now we get to have tax payer $$$ investigating the conspiracy theory revolving around those "mysterious" vapor trails.

The former Democrat turned Trump ally said on his podcast last year that it was “kind of frightening to think that somebody may be putting large amounts of bioavailable aluminum into the environment, spraying it in microscopic particulates from airplanes”.

Next up....Trump's pick to head NASA will investigate this weird assumption that the Earth is actually spherical.
 
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But probably won't happen. Pharma ads on TV is BIG BIG BIG. It looks to me like the principal revenue stream for TV news.
They have to double up on other commercials to make up for the loss. As it is now you might get 15 minutes of actual content in a 30 min show.
 
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How can people know to talk to their doctor about a newly treatable condition if it hasn't been treatable before? Or maybe their current regimen is not really doing a great job for their condition, and a switch to something else could be a good idea (and they didn't know something else was available). Or even HIV drug commercials: showing a broad spectrum of patients, allowing the audience to identify and perhaps again, seek treatment or treatment adjustment.
more American exceptionalism!
 
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Doc, I'm coming down with Hookers and think Blow is right for me.
Going out tonight and I think I’ve got a cough
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Ask your doctor if weed, alcohol, chloroform, and morphine are right for you!
 

Muse

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Just buy his book and call it a day.

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Truly, it's modern medicine, in particular vaccines that make me glad I was not born centuries ago.

There's a considerable risk that another pandemic to rival covid-19 is coming during the administration of the unstable psychotic president elect. If it is Robert Fucking Kennedy heading up the US government's health agencies things may be far worse here than 2020-2022.
 

iRONic

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There's a considerable risk that another pandemic to rival covid-19 is coming during the administration of the unstable psychotic president elect. If it is Robert Fucking Kennedy heading up the US government's health agencies things may be far worse here than 2020-2022.
Avian flu, perhaps…?

Last week, the United States reported its first severe case of the virus, in a Louisiana resident above the age of 65, who was suffering from severe respiratory illness.

 

pmv

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Truly, it's modern medicine, in particular vaccines that make me glad to not having been born centuries ago.

Well, yeah, but personally, in that respect, I wish I'd been born a couple of centuries later. Or in the Star Trek timeline. Heck, I'd have had a lot better time of it if I'd even been born a couple of decades later. Modern medicine isn't modern enough for me.
 

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Avian flu, perhaps…?

Last week, the United States reported its first severe case of the virus, in a Louisiana resident above the age of 65, who was suffering from severe respiratory illness.

Hopefully Trump can get the national ivermectin stockpile built up in time.
 
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Pens1566

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Avian flu, perhaps…?

Last week, the United States reported its first severe case of the virus, in a Louisiana resident above the age of 65, who was suffering from severe respiratory illness.


The wastewater presence is also being reported in a large # of systems now. Far more than can be explained by just runoff from farms.
 
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