The Ultimate Wal Mart Thread; Is Wal Mart good for America

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: LunarRay
Zebo,

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Huh?

When you curse, as I did, the message will not go though and puts this message in your post. It asks you to go back and correct the misake, which I did but leaves this warning in there. I could have removed it manually and proabablly should have to avoid confusion but it was late and I was lazy.

Ahhhh.. I thought I did something wrong..

And, for the life of me.. and knowing I never use 'bad' words.. and, having no idea where the comment came from I thought maybe I misspelled the word 'excellent'..

 

[Pliablemoose]

Is Wal Mart good for America?

No, IMHO, Wal Mart is capitalism carried to the extreme, they have become a monopoly & control too much of the market.

Wife & I have started to shop @ other stores that meet our needs & better suit our political views. I still buy some items @ Wal Mart, but have reduced the $ amount we spend there by ~85%/month.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
That's nice DM, but it's BS. You said you wanted to force Walmart to allow unions. Well, we have laws concerning unions - and as long as Walmart follows the laws they can do what they wish.

Which job would I choose? Neither, I've worked in the grocery business - it sucks. Although I haven't ruled it out as a possibility depending on the management level I'd be at - and I can guarantee that I wouldn't be at the base pay of either of your examples.

Yes, giving up one's individual freedoms for the collective is a weakness. Does it make someone a girly man? No, but the idea that they need someone else to do their bidding shows weakness. This idea that the collective knows better for the individual than the individual does is utter tripe. Joining the collective means you compromise your own freedoms.

CkG

So it's BS because you say it's BS? Or because you're superior to all these so-called lazy sh!ts who work @ Wal-Mart or the grocery store and want to join unions? Of course you know what's best for them, don't you? They're weak and you're strong. You don't have to accept low-paying jobs because you're the bestest. Wow, must be cool to be you.

 

[LunarRay]

So long as the Walmart type entities have folks willing to work at low wages they will exploit this condition to their benefit. So long as the Government continues to allow our jobs to leave to other countries these Walmart entities will have folks willing to do anything until they can get work that allows them to 'live'. When the citizens of this country demand an end to the hocus pocus and make the folks who represent them rebuild our industry and force an end to this insanity of World Economy we will all better off.
To suggest folks should work harder is nutty. To suggest folks learn a new trade is equally nutty. It would enable folks to get 'proper' paying jobs but, isn't that the very insanity that perpetuates the continuity of the insanity. I say we must break away from reliance on foreign labor and create our own full employment and the other nations be darned.. let them work harder building their own economy and raising their level to ours not lowering ours to theirs so we can be competitive.. we will be competitive with them the way we are going but, that won't buy the basic needs we use to enjoy.
Folks argue that we have to become competitive with the other nations that export their goods to us well in excess of what we export to them.. only way for that to happen is for us to get paid less than them so we are more competitive... some day the rich elite here may see that.. in the mean time realize the goods are costing the same but the worker makes less.. Hocus Pocus says but, wages increased.. Not at Walmart vs their competition.. This trickle around theory will bite all of us in time.. it has to.. To be competitive and all.. Start the ball rolling down hill and its momentum carries it to the bottom.. stopping it is not easy but, if you don't want to be overrun by a growing rolling mass of hocus pocus it must be diverted at least or melted at best..
IMO

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
That's nice DM, but it's BS. You said you wanted to force Walmart to allow unions. Well, we have laws concerning unions - and as long as Walmart follows the laws they can do what they wish.

Which job would I choose? Neither, I've worked in the grocery business - it sucks. Although I haven't ruled it out as a possibility depending on the management level I'd be at - and I can guarantee that I wouldn't be at the base pay of either of your examples.

Yes, giving up one's individual freedoms for the collective is a weakness. Does it make someone a girly man? No, but the idea that they need someone else to do their bidding shows weakness. This idea that the collective knows better for the individual than the individual does is utter tripe. Joining the collective means you compromise your own freedoms.

CkG

So it's BS because you say it's BS? Or because you're superior to all these so-called lazy sh!ts who work @ Wal-Mart or the grocery store and want to join unions? Of course you know what's best for them, don't you? They're weak and you're strong. You don't have to accept low-paying jobs because you're the bestest. Wow, must be cool to be you.

Ah, just like the Unions know what's best for all the people you seem to think I called lazy sh!ts. And I was once one of those "lazy sh!ts" or whatever you want to call them. Working at a grocery store was my second real job I got at 16, by the time I graduated and came back from my freshman year of college - I was a dept manager(liquor dept first - then Grocery) Yes, I know the ins and outs of who does what at a grocery store. I cut meat when we were short, I baked donuts when the bakery manager quit, I swept/mopped floors when needed, I came in when the night manager called in and couldn't work, I stocked shelves until 2am at times when our day crew could get it done, I ran the checkouts when needed, I bagged and carried them out to people's cars- all this while I was the Grocery Dept manager. Yeah - screw you - I put in my time, I worked my ass off - and I left when I got screwed by the store. Money didn't matter - getting screwed did. No Union would have saved me from getting screwed like I did.
I had a job the next week selling cars. Did that for a year and then eventually went to work at the metal fab place because car sales hours aren't "family" freindly.
Money isn't everything for everyone, but I value opportunity and self reliance. If you don't like your current situation - YOU have to make the choice to change it.

Yes - your statement was BS because there are already laws concerning Unions, and they are enforced. Just because YOU(and others here) don't like what WalMart does regarding Unions - doesn't mean they are breaking the law. WalMart can do everything within the law to keep Unions out - don't like it? Don't shop/work there.

CkG

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: LunarRay
So long as the Walmart type entities have folks willing to work at low wages they will exploit this condition to their benefit. So long as the Government continues to allow our jobs to leave to other countries these Walmart entities will have folks willing to do anything until they can get work that allows them to 'live'. When the citizens of this country demand an end to the hocus pocus and make the folks who represent them rebuild our industry and force an end to this insanity of World Economy we will all better off.
To suggest folks should work harder is nutty. To suggest folks learn a new trade is equally nutty. It would enable folks to get 'proper' paying jobs but, isn't that the very insanity that perpetuates the continuity of the insanity. I say we must break away from reliance on foreign labor and create our own full employment and the other nations be darned.. let them work harder building their own economy and raising their level to ours not lowering ours to theirs so we can be competitive.. we will be competitive with them the way we are going but, that won't buy the basic needs we use to enjoy.
Folks argue that we have to become competitive with the other nations that export their goods to us well in excess of what we export to them.. only way for that to happen is for us to get paid less than them so we are more competitive... some day the rich elite here may see that.. in the mean time realize the goods are costing the same but the worker makes less.. Hocus Pocus says but, wages increased.. Not at Walmart vs their competition.. This trickle around theory will bite all of us in time.. it has to.. To be competitive and all.. Start the ball rolling down hill and its momentum carries it to the bottom.. stopping it is not easy but, if you don't want to be overrun by a growing rolling mass of hocus pocus it must be diverted at least or melted at best..
IMO

Good Post LR.

As long as there are AT experts like CAD, DirtBOY, Rush, Hannity etc and the NeoCon's such as in total power over the U.S. now the Country will continue heading to the bottom with that Ball getting bigger with every roll. Hopefully it will get big enough to get some of the NeoCons from in here that haven't been personally affected so they can see how wrong they were, too bad it will be too late for the Country.

 

[Jhhnn]

Yes, giving up one's individual freedoms for the collective is a weakness. Does it make someone a girly man? No, but the idea that they need someone else to do their bidding shows weakness. This idea that the collective knows better for the individual than the individual does is utter tripe. Joining the collective means you compromise your own freedoms.

Joining society means you give up some of your freedoms, as does having a group healthcare plan, getting a driver's license, joining a church or professional association- lots of stuff. Life is an ongoing compromise, in many respects, like politics. Sometimes the rights of the individual must be subservient to the rights of the majority if we're to have a society at all.. But unions are somehow different, at least for CkG...

And, of course, having a consumer driven economy means having relatively affluent consumers, with wages sufficient to feed that economy. Walmart doesn't really live up to their end of the societal bargain- they've gone beyond the realm of business acumen and hardnosed bargaining to the realm of predation and parasitism. The simple fact that rank and file employees are eligible for EIC's and other benefits in many states ought to tell us that. the world's largest retailer and America's largest employer shouldn't be allowed to transfer part of their costs to the taxpayers, keep the difference for a few very wealthy owners...

Might as well start the anti-trust action now, because by the time it's settled, Walmart will be a true monopoly. If we can pre-emptively strike against Iraq, we can do the same with Walmart...

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: LunarRay
So long as the Walmart type entities have folks willing to work at low wages they will exploit this condition to their benefit. So long as the Government continues to allow our jobs to leave to other countries these Walmart entities will have folks willing to do anything until they can get work that allows them to 'live'. When the citizens of this country demand an end to the hocus pocus and make the folks who represent them rebuild our industry and force an end to this insanity of World Economy we will all better off.
To suggest folks should work harder is nutty. To suggest folks learn a new trade is equally nutty. It would enable folks to get 'proper' paying jobs but, isn't that the very insanity that perpetuates the continuity of the insanity. I say we must break away from reliance on foreign labor and create our own full employment and the other nations be darned.. let them work harder building their own economy and raising their level to ours not lowering ours to theirs so we can be competitive.. we will be competitive with them the way we are going but, that won't buy the basic needs we use to enjoy.
Folks argue that we have to become competitive with the other nations that export their goods to us well in excess of what we export to them.. only way for that to happen is for us to get paid less than them so we are more competitive... some day the rich elite here may see that.. in the mean time realize the goods are costing the same but the worker makes less.. Hocus Pocus says but, wages increased.. Not at Walmart vs their competition.. This trickle around theory will bite all of us in time.. it has to.. To be competitive and all.. Start the ball rolling down hill and its momentum carries it to the bottom.. stopping it is not easy but, if you don't want to be overrun by a growing rolling mass of hocus pocus it must be diverted at least or melted at best..
IMO

Good Post LR.

As long as there are AT experts like CAD, DirtBOY, Rush, Hannity etc and the NeoCon's such as in total power over the U.S. now the Country will continue heading to the bottom with that Ball getting bigger with every roll. Hopefully it will get big enough to get some of the NeoCons from in here that haven't been personally affected so they can see how wrong they were, too bad it will be too late for the Country.

Buahahaha...Dave - I don't think you fully understood everything Luny was trying to say. Here - I'll qoute part of it again and you might see things in a different light.

"So long as the Walmart type entities have folks willing to work at low wages they will exploit this condition to their benefit."

Now look at the BOLD part(which Luny did) and tell me again why that agrees with you instead of me? What have I been saying? YOU as an individual have the CHOICE. Nobody forces you to work at WalMart for low wages.
But I will take issue with Luny's assertion that the idea that people should "learn a new trade is nutty". These people have the CHOICE to work at WalMart or not. If they can't find something better, yet don't like what they have, shouldn't they make a CHOICE to change something? Walmart's pay is "crappy" according to the whiners here, but the only reason WalMart would get away with that is for the EXACT reason Luny pointed out - people are WILLING to work for that pay.

So keep blaming WalMart - people - it's quite fun to see your daily rants.

CkG

 

[LunarRay]

DM,

As long as there are AT experts like CAD, DirtBOY, Rush, Hannity etc and the NeoCon's such as in total power over the U.S. now the Country will continue heading to the bottom with that Ball getting bigger with every roll. Hopefully it will get big enough to get some of the NeoCons from in here that haven't been personally affected so they can see how wrong they were, too bad it will be too late for the Country.

It is interesting the functionality of the folks who espouse views that we must agree with the status quo and better ourselves beyond our current ability. What they are saying is; there are only so many reasonably paying jobs and only the fittest survive. Of course this is true. But, need it be.. need there be those who for whatever reason don't meet the criteria be left for the wolves? I strongly argue no! This nation started in '32 with less jobs than available labor but, it was US only labor that needed being dealt with and now there is more labor than is needed because the labor is in the US, India, China and everywhere.. We've opened up the labor pool essentially to the world. The secure job holder of this nation will eventually see their employment suffer when folks simply cannot afford their price. They are secure only because the issue has yet to reach them but, reach them it will.. This nation will suffer for the time it takes for the World to elevate and us to drop to that point of equilibrium that all things must reach. It is simply inevitable.

 

[LunarRay]

CAD,
You are perzactly correct. We is the problem.. and your general theme is just this.. and why I don't take issue with what you say, generally. We have choices and to the extent we do or do not choose one path or another we garner those inherent benefits or disbenefits. The people of this nation have to either accept or change what is afoot. In the meantime, as you point out, we will stay fed if we avoid hunger or be hungry depending on our choices but, the potential of my notion of equilibrium must occur one way or the other if the World is our labor pool.

edit: the 'nutty' of my comment has to do with acceptance of the status quo.. I don't accept the World labor pool notion as good for America. I say 'Katy bar the doors'.. I don't care what happens in India or China... and am prepared to accept the reality of that.. I'll help them educate to better themselves but not fund their endevor on the back of the American..

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: LunarRay
CAD,
You are perzactly correct. We is the problem.. and your general theme is just this.. and why I don't take issue with what you say, generally. We have choices and to the extent we do or do not choose one path or another we garner those inherent benefits or disbenefits. The people of this nation have to either accept or change what is afoot. In the meantime, as you point out, we will stay fed if we avoid hunger or be hungry depending on our choices but, the potential of my notion of equilibrium must occur one way or the other if the World is our labor pool.

edit: the 'nutty' of my comment has to do with acceptance of the status quo.. I don't accept the World labor pool notion as good for America. I say 'Katy bar the doors'.. I don't care what happens in India or China... and am prepared to accept the reality of that.. I'll help them educate to better themselves but not fund their endevor on the back of the American..

"I'll help them educate to better themselves but not fund their endeavor on the back of the American.."

:beer:

You know, actually, ironically, the NeoCons are GUILTY of being the MOST LIBERAL in all of U.S. History, giving away the entire store.

The sad part is they aren't smart enough to realize it until it's too late.

What do you say about that Rush, CAD & Co?

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Bowfinger,

Excuse me for pointing it out *again*, but you are a MORON. The "Social pact" that you like to extol isn't intended, as you would use it, as a license to STEAL from some people and give to others. Nor is it a license to Lie, Cheat and Steal your way into more wealth. The "Social Pact," that the Constitution and the government of the United States is intended to protect and maintain is very simply that the government will protect the right of ALL INDIVIDUALS to pursue their own RATIONAL SELF INTERESTS. That means that they are to be left alone to live and work as they choose, and to reap the benefits of their labor and their ideas to whatever extent that they are naturally capable. It is NOT intended to guarantee an equality of outcome, and your idiotic rhetoric claiming that Liberty leads to Serfdom is complete and utter nonsense.

The idea of Liberty is simply that we are all FREE TO CHOOSE whether we engage in contracts with one another, whether we deal with each other at all, and the government's job is simply to ensure that we do not harm one another through force, whether that force be physical or through breach of contract. The key to the issue of Wal Mart employees choosing to work for $8 an hour is simply CHOICE. They have CHOSEN to work there. They have CHOSEN to take $8 an hour. They have CHOSEN to work doing unskilled labor rather than learning a skill and pursuing better means. Have you gotten the concept of CHOICE yet? So long as no one is FORCED to work for $8 an hour at the point of a gun, so long as no one is FORCED by the government to pay a wage more or less than the market will bear, there is NO MORAL HARM DONE. It is NOT the government's place to regulate the economy. It is NOT the government's place to tell me where I can hire workers from. It is NOT the government's place to decide how much I will be willing to pay my employees. If a person doesn't want to work for $8 an hour, guess what? He or she is FREE TO CHOOSE NOT TO WORK FOR WAL MART.

Do you understand the concept of FREEDOM yet? Our government was NEVER intended to grant freedom from responsibility, freedom from want, freedom from need, it was only intended to prevent freedom from forceful interference, PERIOD. And if you want to get down to it, FOOL, you are LIVING in the richest nation on earth BECAUSE of those premises. The regulation of today is NOT the government that our founding fathers implemented, nor is it the cause of our current wealth. The wealth of this nation is a result of man being FREE to work hard and enjoy the fruits of his labor.

All your empty rhetoric, you impudent blowhard, is directed toward one goal: To justify why it's OK to STEAL from some people and give to others. It's your twisted deception and distortion of Jefferson's words that you now seek to make mean that some men are justified in enslaving others, and that the qualification for that enslavement is simply that you be ineffective at earning your own bread.

You and your ilk are the moral enemies of this and EVERY OTHER nation on earth that believes that EACH man has certain inalienable rights, and that no man, no group of men, can ever have a right to violate those rights.

Your extoling of the virtues of slavery makes me sick, you diseased bastard.

Jason

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
Bowfinger,

Excuse me for pointing it out *again*, but you are a MORON. The "Social pact" that you like to extol isn't intended, as you would use it, as a license to STEAL from some people and give to others. Nor is it a license to Lie, Cheat and Steal your way into more wealth. The "Social Pact," that the Constitution and the government of the United States is intended to protect and maintain is very simply that the government will protect the right of ALL INDIVIDUALS to pursue their own RATIONAL SELF INTERESTS. That means that they are to be left alone to live and work as they choose, and to reap the benefits of their labor and their ideas to whatever extent that they are naturally capable. It is NOT intended to guarantee an equality of outcome, and your idiotic rhetoric claiming that Liberty leads to Serfdom is complete and utter nonsense.

The idea of Liberty is simply that we are all FREE TO CHOOSE whether we engage in contracts with one another, whether we deal with each other at all, and the government's job is simply to ensure that we do not harm one another through force, whether that force be physical or through breach of contract. The key to the issue of Wal Mart employees choosing to work for $8 an hour is simply CHOICE. They have CHOSEN to work there. They have CHOSEN to take $8 an hour. They have CHOSEN to work doing unskilled labor rather than learning a skill and pursuing better means. Have you gotten the concept of CHOICE yet? So long as no one is FORCED to work for $8 an hour at the point of a gun, so long as no one is FORCED by the government to pay a wage more or less than the market will bear, there is NO MORAL HARM DONE. It is NOT the government's place to regulate the economy. It is NOT the government's place to tell me where I can hire workers from. It is NOT the government's place to decide how much I will be willing to pay my employees. If a person doesn't want to work for $8 an hour, guess what? He or she is FREE TO CHOOSE NOT TO WORK FOR WAL MART.

Do you understand the concept of FREEDOM yet? Our government was NEVER intended to grant freedom from responsibility, freedom from want, freedom from need, it was only intended to prevent freedom from forceful interference, PERIOD. And if you want to get down to it, FOOL, you are LIVING in the richest nation on earth BECAUSE of those premises. The regulation of today is NOT the government that our founding fathers implemented, nor is it the cause of our current wealth. The wealth of this nation is a result of man being FREE to work hard and enjoy the fruits of his labor.

All your empty rhetoric, you impudent blowhard, is directed toward one goal: To justify why it's OK to STEAL from some people and give to others. It's your twisted deception and distortion of Jefferson's words that you now seek to make mean that some men are justified in enslaving others, and that the qualification for that enslavement is simply that you be ineffective at earning your own bread.

You and your ilk are the moral enemies of this and EVERY OTHER nation on earth that believes that EACH man has certain inalienable rights, and that no man, no group of men, can ever have a right to violate those rights.

Your extoling of the virtues of slavery makes me sick, you diseased bastard.

Jason

 

[LunarRay]

We folks differ philosophically on just about everything to one degree or another. It is what makes us individuals. We see from the perch upon which we sit and with the vision and understanding of not only our circumstance and education but also the environment that developed our rationalization process. We are not compelled to agree or disagree with the propounding of any other individual but, we are compelled by the rules of AT and common decency to at least respect the personage of the members herein. To do less does not make a point but, rather an agrument inconsistent with the thread's general theme.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: LunarRay
We folks differ philosophically on just about everything to one degree or another. It is what makes us individuals. We see from the perch upon which we sit and with the vision and understanding of not only our circumstance and education but also the environment that developed our rationalization process. We are not compelled to agree or disagree with the propounding of any other individual but, we are compelled by the rules of AT and common decency to at least respect the personage of the members herein. To do less does not make a point but, rather an agrument inconsistent with the thread's general theme.

Oh come on LR, you have to be laughing at DMA's rant too.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: LunarRay
We folks differ philosophically on just about everything to one degree or another. It is what makes us individuals. We see from the perch upon which we sit and with the vision and understanding of not only our circumstance and education but also the environment that developed our rationalization process. We are not compelled to agree or disagree with the propounding of any other individual but, we are compelled by the rules of AT and common decency to at least respect the personage of the members herein. To do less does not make a point but, rather an agrument inconsistent with the thread's general theme.

Oh come on LR, you have to be laughing at DMA's rant too.

DMA... oh.. DragonMasterAlex.. I get it..

Nah.. I read the posts that someone takes the time to write with the intention of garnering a bit more undersanding of folks in general as it relates to the issue of the thread. If folks want to verbally duke it out.. fine by me.. I'm not a MOD... but, figure I've a right to comment OT as well..

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
Bowfinger,

Excuse me for pointing it out *again*, but you are a MORON. The "Social pact" that you like to extol isn't intended, as you would use it, as a license to STEAL from some people and give to others. Nor is it a license to Lie, Cheat and Steal your way into more wealth. The "Social Pact," that the Constitution and the government of the United States is intended to protect and maintain is very simply that the government will protect the right of ALL INDIVIDUALS to pursue their own RATIONAL SELF INTERESTS. That means that they are to be left alone to live and work as they choose, and to reap the benefits of their labor and their ideas to whatever extent that they are naturally capable. It is NOT intended to guarantee an equality of outcome, and your idiotic rhetoric claiming that Liberty leads to Serfdom is complete and utter nonsense.

The idea of Liberty is simply that we are all FREE TO CHOOSE whether we engage in contracts with one another, whether we deal with each other at all, and the government's job is simply to ensure that we do not harm one another through force, whether that force be physical or through breach of contract. The key to the issue of Wal Mart employees choosing to work for $8 an hour is simply CHOICE. They have CHOSEN to work there. They have CHOSEN to take $8 an hour. They have CHOSEN to work doing unskilled labor rather than learning a skill and pursuing better means. Have you gotten the concept of CHOICE yet? So long as no one is FORCED to work for $8 an hour at the point of a gun, so long as no one is FORCED by the government to pay a wage more or less than the market will bear, there is NO MORAL HARM DONE. It is NOT the government's place to regulate the economy. It is NOT the government's place to tell me where I can hire workers from. It is NOT the government's place to decide how much I will be willing to pay my employees. If a person doesn't want to work for $8 an hour, guess what? He or she is FREE TO CHOOSE NOT TO WORK FOR WAL MART.

Do you understand the concept of FREEDOM yet? Our government was NEVER intended to grant freedom from responsibility, freedom from want, freedom from need, it was only intended to prevent freedom from forceful interference, PERIOD. And if you want to get down to it, FOOL, you are LIVING in the richest nation on earth BECAUSE of those premises. The regulation of today is NOT the government that our founding fathers implemented, nor is it the cause of our current wealth. The wealth of this nation is a result of man being FREE to work hard and enjoy the fruits of his labor.

All your empty rhetoric, you impudent blowhard, is directed toward one goal: To justify why it's OK to STEAL from some people and give to others. It's your twisted deception and distortion of Jefferson's words that you now seek to make mean that some men are justified in enslaving others, and that the qualification for that enslavement is simply that you be ineffective at earning your own bread.

You and your ilk are the moral enemies of this and EVERY OTHER nation on earth that believes that EACH man has certain inalienable rights, and that no man, no group of men, can ever have a right to violate those rights.

Your extoling of the virtues of slavery makes me sick, you diseased bastard.

Jason

Feel better now?

If, at any time, you want to address anything I actually said or suggested, let me know.

 

[SynthesisI]

Originally posted by: miguel
I answered yes because I can't think of a reason why Walmart is bad for America.

I can't either... unless you're a liberal communist who hates big business due to your ignorance and can't stand to see poor old Mom and Pop's pharmacy downtown close. While nobody will argue that it's a sad case, this isn't 1952 anymore. You want to go into business? Welcome aboard!! But it's sink or swim- good luck. Business has revolutionized and 99.9% of everyone in America (and the parts of the world we do business with) benefit greatly from it, whether you want to believe it or not- there is no debate about this.

Advances in capitalism and technology are a beautiful thing. As such, Wal-Mart rocks- I go to a local supercenter at least once a week. They have everything!

 

[Ldir]

Originally posted by: SynthesisI

Originally posted by: miguel
I answered yes because I can't think of a reason why Walmart is bad for America.

I can't either... unless you're a liberal communist who hates big business due to your ignorance and can't stand to see poor old Mom and Pop's pharmacy downtown close. While nobody will argue that it's a sad case, this isn't 1952 anymore. You want to go into business? Welcome aboard!! But it's sink or swim- good luck. Business has revolutionized and 99.9% of everyone in America (and the parts of the world we do business with) benefit greatly from it, whether you want to believe it or not- there is no debate about this.

Advances in capitalism and technology are a beautiful thing. As such, Wal-Mart rocks- I go to a local supercenter at least once a week. They have everything!

Liberal communist? Ignorance? Is there anyone on the right who can make a point without attacking your opponent?

There is no debate about this? They have everything? How about good manufacturing jobs sent to China? How about affordable benefits for employees? How about the right to unionize? How about fair business practices? Do they have those?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: SynthesisI

Originally posted by: miguel
I answered yes because I can't think of a reason why Walmart is bad for America.

I can't either... unless you're a liberal communist who hates big business due to your ignorance and can't stand to see poor old Mom and Pop's pharmacy downtown close. While nobody will argue that it's a sad case, this isn't 1952 anymore. You want to go into business? Welcome aboard!! But it's sink or swim- good luck. Business has revolutionized and 99.9% of everyone in America (and the parts of the world we do business with) benefit greatly from it, whether you want to believe it or not- there is no debate about this.

Advances in capitalism and technology are a beautiful thing. As such, Wal-Mart rocks- I go to a local supercenter at least once a week. They have everything!

"They have everything!"

No sh1t sherlock, ever hear of all eggs in one basket is not a good thing???

 

[Moonbeam]

The mere fact we are approaching 300 posts on the subject tells you Wal-Mart is a disaster. That's got to tell you there are a bunch of visionaries that see the danger and a bunch of Placidatos, Inerts and Torpors who think they hear only Sirene calls.

 

[Jhhnn]

Forget it, Ldir. Too many folks have trouble seeing that what's good for them personally in the short run may not be good for the country, or even good for themselves in the long run. Nor do they care for any deeper analysis.

Whenever you're on the receiving end of the commie pinko f@ggot diatribe, it means that they're holding their hands over their ears, because you're pushing their intellectual envelope, demanded greater depth of thought than mere self-justification...

 

[Ldir]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Forget it, Ldir. Too many folks have trouble seeing that what's good for them personally in the short run may not be good for the country, or even good for themselves in the long run. Nor do they care for any deeper analysis.

Whenever you're on the receiving end of the commie pinko f@ggot diatribe, it means that they're holding their hands over their ears, because you're pushing their intellectual envelope, demanded greater depth of thought than mere self-justification...

Roger that. The US is drowning in greed. More more more. Forget tomorrow. I want more stuff now. I want new toys today. Wal Mart is only a symptom. It is like a credit card. Instant gratification. Who cares about the fine print.

The bill is coming. We cannot afford it.

 

[ReiAyanami]

The key to the issue of Wal Mart employees choosing to work for $8 an hour is simply CHOICE. They have CHOSEN to work there. They have CHOSEN to take $8 an hour. They have CHOSEN to work doing unskilled labor rather than learning a skill and pursuing better means.

you think you're paying them $8 an hour. Walmart has a department to help the store's workers receive welfare benefits because even Walmart knows they're paying their workers so little. so where walmart skimps the bill, you pick it up in the form of taxes.

Walmart workers are the largest corporate group of welfare recipients

i wonder why they are on welfare

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: ReiAyanami
The key to the issue of Wal Mart employees choosing to work for $8 an hour is simply CHOICE. They have CHOSEN to work there. They have CHOSEN to take $8 an hour. They have CHOSEN to work doing unskilled labor rather than learning a skill and pursuing better means.

you think you're paying them $8 an hour. Walmart has a department to help the store's workers receive welfare benefits because even Walmart knows they're paying their workers so little. so where walmart skimps the bill, you pick it up in the form of taxes.

Walmart workers are the largest corporate group of welfare recipients

i wonder why they are on welfare

Exactly so. Between encouraging their employees to draw welfare benefits and coercing local governments to pay direct corporate welfare, Wal-Mart's fabled low prices and astronomical profits are subsidized by taxpayers like you and me. So much for free market capitalism.