The "truth" behind Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's attacks on Jews?

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

If this is true it wouldn't be the first time in history a dictator hated the Jewish people while being partially Jewish, it's a form of self-hate (I'll let Moonbeam address that).

Right on.

The way it works is that self hate creates a need to hate others because it hurts to hate yourself openly. Hate hurts and hating others is how we try to stop the pain by giving it back.

We were put down as children and told we were bad, made to feel worthless with indignities. So now we heap those on others and run like hell from anybody trying to pigeon hole us in any of the bad bad categories we create. Patranus, for example is going to try to dig himself out from the category of stupid instead of simply uninformed and wrong, because he didn't know about what Jew means. And folk will jump on him to make him eat it. The effects of self hate are everywhere.

The important thing to remember is that it is all a big fucking lie. There is nothing wrong with anybody. Don't worry if you get put down. The person doing it is in their own hell. Forgive others so you can forgive yourself. Step back and take a breath. Get help learning how to feel so you can help yourself to stop hiding the pain. It won't go away unless you really feel it and morn. Grief is a real emotion and it brings healing. Your tears and your pain, while they feel like it, are not endless. What it means to heal people can't even begin to imagine.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

If this is true it wouldn't be the first time in history a dictator hated the Jewish people while being partially Jewish, it's a form of self-hate (I'll let Moonbeam address that).

Right on.

The way it works is that self hate creates a need to hate others because it hurts to hate yourself openly. Hate hurts and hating others is how we try to stop the pain by giving it back.

We were put down as children and told we were bad, made to feel worthless with indignities. So now we heap those on others and run like hell from anybody trying to pigeon hole us in any of the bad bad categories we create. Patranus, for example is going to try to dig himself out from the category of stupid instead of simply uninformed and wrong, because he didn't know about what Jew means. And folk will jump on him to make him eat it. The effects of self hate are everywhere.

The important thing to remember is that it is all a big fucking lie. There is nothing wrong with anybody. Don't worry if you get put down. The person doing it is in their own hell. Forgive others so you can forgive yourself. Step back and take a breath. Get help learning how to feel so you can help yourself to stop hiding the pain. It won't go away unless you really feel it and morn. Grief is a real emotion and it brings healing. Your tears and your pain, while they feel like it, are not endless. What it means to heal people can't even begin to imagine.

Emotional pain is just the brown herring circling beneath us on Tuesdays in May.

 

[TheSkinsFan]

Originally posted by: kylebisme
If you want to see some truely deep seeded psychological hatred, take a good look at the people who have mislead you into believing that Ahmadinejad's dispute with Israel is based in hatred of Jews.

It must be Israel's ever-expanding empire and their ultimate desire to conquer or destroy Iran through force and covert acts of terrorism... oh, wait, I seem to have gotten the two countries mixed up. Woops! :Q My bad...

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: alphatarget1
Wasn't Hitler part Jewish?

That was actually my point. All evidence points to him being Jewish through his mother (which is how it works).

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Patranus
Bummer to the OP being Jewish is a religion and not a race of people

Wrong. Jews do have a genetic linkage and you can trace that through testing.

 

[Aimster]

Jews are called Jews.

Just like all the millions of Arabs who fled their homelands to Israel.. they are not called Arabs. They are Jews.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: guyver01

Originally posted by: kylebisme
take a good look at the people who have mislead you into believing that Ahmadinejad's dispute with Israel is based in hatred of Jews.

you know, this country you hate so much is a free country.

if you love Assadinijin so much, move to iran.
instead of sitting in the middle of bumfuck kansas spouting your bogus crap

I'm not arguing for Ahmadinejad's sake here, just as I wasn't arguing for Saddam's sake when I called out all the bullshit propaganda against Iraq. If you love our great nation as much as I do, then you would do well to acknowledge what I have said here rather than strawman me to dismiss it.

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan

Originally posted by: kylebisme
If you want to see some truely deep seeded psychological hatred, take a good look at the people who have mislead you into believing that Ahmadinejad's dispute with Israel is based in hatred of Jews.

It must be Israel's ever-expanding empire and their ultimate desire to conquer or destroy Iran through force and covert acts of terrorism... oh, wait, I seem to have gotten the two countries mixed up. Woops! :Q My bad...

It's not that you had gotten the two nations mixed up there, but rather that you've got some truly deep seeded psychological hatred mixing you all up, to the point you can't even address the fact that Ahmadinejad's dispute with Israel not is based in any hatred of Jews. In fact, his position is quite similar to that of many Jews, the Right Honourable Sir Gerald Kaufman being one notable example.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: Aimster
Jews are called Jews.

Just like all the millions of Arabs who fled their homelands to Israel.. they are not called Arabs. They are Jews.

That is nothing but a false dichotomy; many Jews are Arabs, and some Arabs are Jews. Furthermore, Palestinians are to large extent descended from Jews who lived in the region long ago. This whole godforsaken conflict is built out of denial of such realities.

 

[gingermeggs]

Originally posted by: Patranus
Bummer to the OP being Jewish is a religion and not a race of people

I'd agree with that, ahmadimajab is anti- the state of Israel, not jews, some jews live in Iran. But the jews living in Iran aren't zionist and don't believe in a jewish state being their religious calling, they believe in the coming of a messiah. I forget what this jewish sect is called but their religion is very diverse, Messianic jews believe jesus was the messiah.

 

[TheSkinsFan]

Originally posted by: kylebisme
It's not that you had gotten the two nations mixed up there, but rather that you've got some truly deep seeded psychological hatred mixing you all up, to the point you can't even address the fact that Ahmadinejad's dispute with Israel not is based in any hatred of Jews. In fact, his position is quite similar to that of many Jews, the Right Honourable Sir Gerald Kaufman being one notable example.

While Kaufman and Ahmadinejad may share an opinion on Israel's treatment of the Palestinians, I doubt you'd find them on the same side in a discussion of the Holocaust or Ahmadinejad's belief that there is a global Zionist conspiracy afoot to control all international finance.

The man is a fucking nutcase.

Israel has never attacked the country of Iran, yet Ahmedinejad is completely obsessed with effecting the complete destruction of the country of Israel; and, Iran has been attacking Israel -- by proxy -- for years... why is that?

 

[gingermeggs]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: MotF Bane

Originally posted by: Freshgeardude

+1


this is actually kinda funny. i wonder how he is going to brush it off.


dont some people think hitler, too, had SOME jewish background?

lol?

I've heard that, but have no idea to its' accuracy.

Many people of European back grounds have a jewish person in their geneology, again its a religion not a race, many people have part hebrew geneology which is a race, big deal. Using race or religion in an arguement is a just a immature way of tooling herd mentality, not that it isn't affective.

This site is fun, it has a pretty unbias look at human history and has a interactive globe!
https://genographic.nationalge...phic/lan/en/globe.html

 

[0marTheZealot]

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: alphatarget1
Wasn't Hitler part Jewish?

That was actually my point. All evidence points to him being Jewish through his mother (which is how it works).

Depends on which historian is reporting. I've read it both ways, but the bottom line is that we just don't know.

 

[gingermeggs]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Patranus
Bummer to the OP being Jewish is a religion and not a race of people

Wrong. Jews do have a genetic linkage and you can trace that through testing.

TRUE TO A POINT!
Judaism was conceived 3500bc, so the people involved had an earlier genetic lineage which is diverse, which it has to be to be continual or congenial diseases start to hamper that population.

You won't find a thorough bred in most modern cultures, only in remote indigenous ones.
If you want to see what your lineage is do this-

https://genographic.nationalge...ic/sample_results.html

You might be surprised with the result.
The fact is that your a monkeys uncle!
Cultural gee up's like specific religious angles are about unification of a national interest (necessary to a point, but its becoming more antiquated in the modern day) and don't really serve the individuals right to think for themselves freely, which was what people like Jesus were bangin' on about!
If given space people usually remain logical and rational, imaginative thoughts are an amusing way to shape their goals and dreams. Imagination, tends to be for most the science of improving their future, its term, creativity.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: gingermeggs
...the jews living in Iran aren't zionist and don't believe in a jewish state being their religious calling, they believe in the coming of a messiah. I forget what this jewish sect is called but their religion is very diverse...

The belief that Jews should live in diaspora until the coming of the Messiah is the traditional Jewish belief, which was the position of the vast majority of Jews throughout the millenniums, and is still the position of various sects today, including those in Iran. It wasn't until the horrors of WWII that Zionism gained any popular appeal within the religious Jewish community.

Originally posted by: gingermeggs
Messianic jews believe jesus was the messiah.

While Christians of Jewish culture are called Messianic Jews, there are also Messianic Zionists, both Jewish and Christian, who believe Israel's ongoing conquest of what little is let of Palestine will bring their respective Messiah. The difference being that Christian believe Jesus is the Messiah, while Jews hold to the understanding the Jesus was not the Messiah, and are rather waiting or someone else to fulfil that role, commonly known as "Moshiach". On a side note, Muslims also believe Jesus is the Messiah, as it states as much directly in Qur'an, and will gather Jews to unite Kingdom of Israel when he comes, but of course they don't see anything Godly in what Zionists are doing.

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan

Originally posted by: kylebisme
...Kaufman being one notable example.

While Kaufman and Ahmadinejad may share an opinion on Israel's treatment of the Palestinians, I doubt you'd find them on the same side in a discussion of the Holocaust...

Actually, Kaufman expresses the same view of the Holocaust as Ahmadinejad right in the video I linked.

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
...or Ahmadinejad's belief that there is a global Zionist conspiracy afoot to control all international finance.

What you suggest here doesn't jive with my understanding of Ahmadinejad's positions. Would you please quote whatever statement(s) you are basing your claim on?

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
The man is a fucking nutcase.

While I've heard him say some rather nutty things, "in Iran, we don't have homosexuals" being one obvious example, again you should be looking the people who have mislead you if you want to see the most nutty ones in this.

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
Israel has never attacked the country of Iran, yet Ahmedinejad is completely obsessed with effecting the complete destruction of the country of Israel...

Ahmedinejad takes issue with the current Israeli regime, and has never expressed any interest in the destruction of the country itself. Unfortunately, the nutcases you allow to mislead you refuse to acknowledge any distinction between the two.

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
...Iran has been attacking Israel -- by proxy -- for years... why is that?

The answer to that question is rather complicated, but it has a lot to do with what Kaufman mentioned in the video I linked above.

Originally posted by: gingermeggs
Many people of European back grounds have a jewish person in their geneology, again its a religion not a race, many people have part hebrew geneology which is a race, big deal.

Actually the whole idea of humanity being divided into races is a big misconception. Biologically, a race is a subspecies which has more distinction from than commonality between other subsets of a species, while such characteristics do not describe any perceived "race" of humanity. In particular, Jews constitute a very diverse grouping, all the way from blond haired and blue eyed Jews from Europe to Ethiopian Jews who are as dark complected as people come. While there is a wide variety of ethnic, religious and other distinctions within humanity, we are all one race.

 

[f95toli]

Judaism is more like a nationality than like other religions, and being Jewish is like a citizenship.

While it is of course correct that there is no such thing as a "jewish race" or even genetic link between all jews the above is indeed largely true.
A good example is Russia where "Jewish" IS in fact considered to be a nationality, if you look in a passports that belongs to a Russian Jew it will say something like "Citizen of the Russian Federation" but there is also a line for "Nationality" where it will say "Jewish" regardless of which republic in the federation he/she is from
(there is actually semi-indepentend Jewish republic -Jewish Autonomous Oblast- in the Russian federation, but ALL jews will have "Jewish" in their passport, even if their family has lived in e.g. Moscow for generations).

My point is that whereas all the genetic linkage etc is nonsense the important thing is that jews have historically often been treated AS IF they belonged to a separate nation.

 

[gingermeggs]

race=species; homo sapiens.

 

[gingermeggs]

when I said race I meant= ethnic troop.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: gingermeggs
...the jews living in Iran aren't zionist and don't believe in a jewish state being their religious calling, they believe in the coming of a messiah. I forget what this jewish sect is called but their religion is very diverse...

The belief that Jews should live in diaspora until the coming of the Messiah is the traditional Jewish belief, which was the position of the vast majority of Jews throughout the millenniums, and is still the position of various sects today, including those in Iran. It wasn't until the horrors of WWII that Zionism gained any popular appeal within the religious Jewish community.

Originally posted by: gingermeggs
Messianic jews believe jesus was the messiah.

While Christians of Jewish culture are called Messianic Jews, there are also Messianic Zionists, both Jewish and Christian, who believe Israel's ongoing conquest of what little is let of Palestine will bring their respective Messiah. The difference being that Christian believe Jesus is the Messiah, while Jews hold to the understanding the Jesus was not the Messiah, and are rather waiting or someone else to fulfil that role, commonly known as "Moshiach". On a side note, Muslims also believe Jesus is the Messiah, as it states as much directly in Qur'an, and will gather Jews to unite Kingdom of Israel when he comes, but of course they don't see anything Godly in what Zionists are doing.

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan

Originally posted by: kylebisme
...Kaufman being one notable example.

While Kaufman and Ahmadinejad may share an opinion on Israel's treatment of the Palestinians, I doubt you'd find them on the same side in a discussion of the Holocaust...

Actually, Kaufman expresses the same view of the Holocaust as Ahmadinejad right in the video I linked.

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
...or Ahmadinejad's belief that there is a global Zionist conspiracy afoot to control all international finance.

What you suggest here doesn't jive with my understanding of Ahmadinejad's positions. Would you please quote whatever statement(s) you are basing your claim on?

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
The man is a fucking nutcase.

While I've heard him say some rather nutty things, "in Iran, we don't have homosexuals" being one obvious example, again you should be looking the people who have mislead you if you want to see the most nutty ones in this.

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
Israel has never attacked the country of Iran, yet Ahmedinejad is completely obsessed with effecting the complete destruction of the country of Israel...

Ahmedinejad takes issue with the current Israeli regime, and has never expressed any interest in the destruction of the country itself. Unfortunately, the nutcases you allow to mislead you refuse to acknowledge any distinction between the two.

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
...Iran has been attacking Israel -- by proxy -- for years... why is that?

The answer to that question is rather complicated, but it has a lot to do with what Kaufman mentioned in the video I linked above.

Originally posted by: gingermeggs
Many people of European back grounds have a jewish person in their geneology, again its a religion not a race, many people have part hebrew geneology which is a race, big deal.

Actually the whole idea of humanity being divided into races is a big misconception. Biologically, a race is a subspecies which has more distinction from than commonality between other subsets of a species, while such characteristics do not describe any perceived "race" of humanity. In particular, Jews constitute a very diverse grouping, all the way from blond haired and blue eyed Jews from Europe to Ethiopian Jews who are as dark complected as people come. While there is a wide variety of ethnic, religious and other distinctions within humanity, we are all one race.

don`t forget kylebisme is a 9/11 troother so his outlook on life is already screwed up...thus his answers are shall we say negated by his 9/11 stand...lol

 

[TheSkinsFan]

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
While Kaufman and Ahmadinejad may share an opinion on Israel's treatment of the Palestinians, I doubt you'd find them on the same side in a discussion of the Holocaust...

Actually, Kaufman expresses the same view of the Holocaust as Ahmadinejad right in the video I linked.

Actually, they do share the same view on the Holocaust being Israel's unspoken excuse for their treatment of Palestinians, but he certainly doesn't doubt or deny that the Holocaust ever took place -- ala Ahmadinejad. After all, Kaufman's grandmother was shot dead in her bed by the nazis, so I highly doubt you'll find him defending Ahmadinejad's opinion on that subject... which is what I meant when I stated that they'd hardly agree on the subject of the Holocaust itself.

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
...or Ahmadinejad's belief that there is a global Zionist conspiracy afoot to control all international finance.

What you suggest here doesn't jive with my understanding of Ahmadinejad's positions. Would you please quote whatever statement(s) you are basing your claim on?

Here you clearly demonstrate your lack of "understanding of Ahmadinejad's positions."

Read the transcript of Ahmadinejad's 2008 address to the UN General Assembly.

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
The man is a fucking nutcase.

While I've heard him say some rather nutty things, "in Iran, we don't have homosexuals" being one obvious example, again you should be looking the people who have mislead you if you want to see the most nutty ones in this.

Nobody has misled me. Ahmad's actions and words speak for themselves.

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
Israel has never attacked the country of Iran, yet Ahmedinejad is completely obsessed with effecting the complete destruction of the country of Israel...

Ahmedinejad takes issue with the current Israeli regime, and has never expressed any interest in the destruction of the country itself. Unfortunately, the nutcases you allow to mislead you refuse to acknowledge any distinction between the two.

Wrong. I never said that he wishes to annihilate the people of Israel, only that he wants to see the country of Israel itself removed from the Middle East (IOW "destroyed" or "wiped off the map", depending on translation). Then again, even based on that supposed interpretation of his statements and beliefs, I still don't doubt that he's willing to see/make it happen through violence, if necessary. After all, he's been conducting unprovoked attacks on Israel for years, so it's certainly not outside the realm of possibility that he'll eventually go for the gold and try to wipe them off the map by force.

Reading comprehension FTW.

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
...Iran has been attacking Israel -- by proxy -- for years... why is that?

The answer to that question is rather complicated, but it has a lot to do with what Kaufman mentioned in the video I linked above.

Are you suggesting, in any way, that the answer's complexity somehow justifies Iran's unprovoked violent attacks on Israel?

 

[venkman]

he's a J-O-O

 

[her209]

OR maybe the US media is mistranslating and/or twisting words.

 

[TheSkinsFan]

Originally posted by: her209
OR maybe the US media is mistranslating and/or twisting words.

Which words are you referring to?

 

[JS80]

lol G-d truly does exist, and He has an awesome sense of humor.

 

[ayabe]

Next thing we're gonna find out is that his watercolors were rejected as amateurish from the Tehran School of Fine Art.

 

[ElFenix]

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