the truth about INTEL vs AMD

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ravedave

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oh also
If your used to building Intel systems then AMD systems are a bit diff, possibly harder. The same can go for AMD guys building an Intel board.

its like the switch to ATA66 as well. 1st gen AMD boards wern't fun because they had a new motherboard technology + new ATA66 technology.
 

NOS440

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My instruction when you get fed up with AMD. Buy a Intel based Motherboard and P-3. Whipe out the device manager and install the new parts boot up enjoy complete stability and 8 months later still on the same load of windows no blue screen never formated 34 gigs of progs, game, MP3's , Media files and no problems. Why do you have to do all this sh!t for a AMD/VIA combo ??????? Mine is a Intel/VIA system the only thing removed from the picture is AMD !!!!!!
This is exactly what I did when I switched back to Intel and so have a few friends of mine without any problems all problems disapeered explain this to me ??????????? I'm dieing to hear this one !!!!!!!!!!!
 

Dexion

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Seems to me your the only one with so many problems with an AMD based system. Its either your doing something wrong, don't know how to troubleshoot the problem correctly, or not uptodate with the patches. Let me remind you that what we're arguing here is the Tbird, not the Classic Athon. I can easily bring up a past Intel Issues(MTH and 1.13Ghz Anyone?) to say that Intel is just as unstable, one incident doesn't mean that the current platform is totally unreliable. Like any new product, there are bound to be bugs and I'm sure the P4 will also have some problems when it debuts. AMD's first generation Athlon had some problems with stability, and something about AGP and Nvidia drivers. This has been corrected, and shouldn't have any problems now. The Thunderbird is the 2nd generation Athlon, and of course they're has been improvements on stability and performance. This also applies with Tbird DDR, which is AMD's Third Gen platform that will be appearing very soon and I recon that there will be some problems(which has caused a delay, currently debugging).

Past experiences and opinions shouldn't be used as a "opinion" on a newer product. If you are using those to judge the product/platform, then its a BIASed opinion no matter how you state it.





 

Compellor

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NOS440:

Yeah, I admit it was a little difficult, but I got my system running rock stable (after a week of constant formatting and numerous system lockups). I think it's a configuration thing with AMD/VIA. Also, I was new to the AMD/VIA scene. I wasn't familiar with it, as are many others. I am considering going back to an INTEL based gaming/production rig because it's still the industry standard. Games are still better optimized for Intel, as are video card drivers. I'll probably keep the AMD rig around as a backup, since I don't plan on putting much more money into it. It's a nice machine.
 

Mikewarrior2

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Man, i told you guys not to get involved with NOS440... he is the resident intel zealot. And please dont' bring up GUTB.

And possibly, nos440 could be gutb's little cousin.


Mike
 

Dexion

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LOL couldn't help myself ;) Maybe I can talk some sense into him(doubt it too).

 

Dexion

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Mikelou: Its GREAT Performace for both INTEL and AMD. Just look at Anand's benchmarks and his comments about the both Intel's and AMD's products. The difference between them is almost undifferenciable on the benchmarks and completely invisible to the naked eye. You should see the FPU based benchmarks for Athlon Tbird Vs. P3 ie; 3DStudio Max.. Smacks the P3 senseless.

3DS Max Comparison
 

mikelou26

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nice yo
by the way wut is ur sandra bench marks?

i know ur have duron but still you have...
1ghz...

anyways
i have..
2786 CPU
1431 FPU
=I
wuts urs?
:)
 

Dexion

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Actually I have a Athlon Tbird 850@1Ghz.

Sisoft Sandra Benchmarks
CPU Benchmark
3154 MIPS
1469 MFLOPS
Memory Benchmark:
CPU 427mb/s
FPU 455mb/s

Let me remind you that Sisoft Sandra Benchmarks are not entirely accurate.
Paying only $170 for the CPU, I'm very happy with the performance.
 

Mikewarrior2

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Sandra benchmarks are pretty much the run-of-the-mill synthetic benchmark junk. I mean, only on Sandra does a Celeron II match a P3 in their tests.


Mike
 

office boy

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I'll get in on this... ;)
for me.

CPU
MIPS 3100
MFLOPS 1468

Memory
ALU 468 MB/s
FPU 575 MB/s

MMX
Integer MMX 3488 it/s
Floating point 3dnow Enhanced 4467 it/sec

On a Duron 600 (you can get one too for $40)
 

mikelou26

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;)
anyWAYS
i read and reviewed that link..
SO BASICALLY
INTEL IS BETTER THAN AMD clock PER CLOCK
BUT
PRICE WISE
AMD RULE
=I

and so now i understand WHY lil kids kepting saying
AMD is BETTER THAN INTEL
icic

so the price of 900mhz of intel = 1.23 AMD dumbbird
:)

and people are saying
they WOULD RATHER GET deadBIRD then intel..
cuz the PRICE WISE
i got it know
so it is like saying
cuz geforce is WAY MORE EXPENSIVE then RADEON
BUT BETTER performance
but radeon is cheaper
so EVERYONE LETS GET RADEON
=)
i got it know thanks
;)
dang i cant wait to get a DBIRD
:)
 

mikelou26

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fine i believe u
;)
anyWAYS
i am trying to get it over 1ghz tho
*grr*
my m/b sucks like do do i have asus p3v4x do u think that will push my over 1ghz?
;)
my v is at 1.7 now
;)
 

Moonbender

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First off, mikelou, could you PLEASE try to adhere a little bit more to the standard English grammatic rules? This is not a chat room, and writing without any punctuation makes it harder (oh well more uncomfortable at least) to read and understand what you're trying to say. No offense meant.

Anyways, to get on topic, the general opinion througout this board is, as far as I can tell:

In most current 3D games, Intel slightly beats AMD on a clock per clock base. It leads by a few FPS, which is not something you can notice when playing. Ie a 1 Ghz Intel is slightly faster than a 1 Ghz Thunderbird. This is not because of Intel's architecture is far better than AMD's, but rather because games are optimised for the market leader, which, of course, is Intel. Many current games are also optimised for 3dfx, the (previous?) market leader in the 3d sector - same reason. Raw tests show that the AMD FPU beats on a clock-per-clock base, but those are not real life situations, of course.

The fastest (consumer) CPU available right now is an AMD. The 1.2 Ghz might lose a battle against a 1.2 Ghz P3 - however there is NO 1.2 Ghz P3 as everyone knows. The P3 architecture has proven not to to be as scalable as the current AMD architecture; the TB get quite hot at high clocks, but in contrast to the P3s, they don't crash.
A 1.2 Ghz TB is faster than the 1 Ghz P3, while being about $40 more expensive.

Which leads us to the main difference, the price. Intel CPUs are plainly expensive when compared to AMD CPUs. Even though the speed is about the same, they are WAY cheaper than their Intel counterpart. You can invest the money you saved in whatever you want ... since todays games base their speed mainly on the graphics card, buying for instance a GTS instead of the MX would be a good idea. A 1 Ghz TB with a GTS would be WAY faster than a 1 Ghz Intel with a MX.

On low-cost CPUs there is no question. The Celeron always looses against a Duron of the same clock. Not sure about the prices over there, but here in Germany the Durons are not only faster than the Celerons, they are also cheaper.

So as for the high-end CPUs, TB is fast and cheap and Intel is fast and expensive. On the "low-end" side, Duron is quite fast and extremely cheap, while Celeron has medicocre speed and mediocre price.

Both TBs and Durons are very overclockable, especially the cheapest available Durons o/c amazingly. O/cing get's even better with the new chipsets running a 133 Mhz FSB. Don't know about Intel on this issue.

Stability is another funny thing. The AMD CPUs of the current generation are stable. The mobos of the current generation based on the KT133 chipset are stable. So what?
True, the high-quality KT133 boards are not cheap, however neither are the upper-end P3 mainboards I'd say. There are mobos in the middle price range for AMDs, but those don't o/c well (if at all). In case of AMD mobos, you generally get what you pay for, but not completely either - the MSI K7T Pro2 is as good as and will probably be cheaper than eg the ASUS A7V. Brands sell.

Whew. This has gotten far longer than I thought it'd be. Going to save it and post it whenever I see anyone shouting "INTEL CPUS 0wN AMD CPUS" (or the other way round, for that matter). Hope someone actually reads this, although it doesn't offer anything new, of course. :)
 

cabojoe

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Congrats Mikelou...u made it to Senior member without ever saying one intelligent thing...or even making it into the gigahurtz club. At least Nos tries to be intelligent...lol. I thought I'd throw my benchmarks into the mix...pretty darn good for a classic I think. https://http://home.pacbell.net/cabojoe/index.html[/S]Oh btw NOs...could u post your benches?

Getting over 7000 3DMarks also! Speaks well for AMD I believe.

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cabojoe

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Congrats Mikelou...u made it to Senior member without ever saying one intelligent thing...or even making it into the gigahurtz club. At least Nos tries to be intelligent...lol. I thought I'd throw my benchmarks into the mix...pretty darn good for a classic I think. http://home.pacbell.net/cabojoe/index.html BTW NOS...I haven't seen your benches...could u post em?

Getting over 7000 3DMarks also! Speaks well for AMD I believe.

Athlon 850 @ 1028 1/3 L2 1.95 volts
Abit KA7
128 megs Mushkin Rev.2 PC-133 running cas2 at 144 mhtz.
Ninja Micros FreeSpeed Pro goldfinger
GlobalWin FKK32 Heatsink/Fans
Creative Annihilator 2 GeForce GTS
Sound Blaster Live
MS Digital Sound System
HP 8x4x32 Burner
48x CD-ROM
Kingston Nic
WireSpeed DSL Modem