The Trump Tariffs thread

[Josh128]

I did read it. It did nothing to prove any of the factual assertions you made. Do you understand how evidence works?

As far as if you have a life or not that is irrelevant. You had plenty of time to respond to other posts, after all.

That the Biden admin had a terrible policy on illegal immigration was a factual assertion buddy. It is a fact that Bidens admins actions led to a high profile crisis at the border, so high profile that he chose to back track on his own executive order to halt construction of the wall and in fact, fast track the resumption of its construction. One of the main assertions I made. Stop ducking and dodging it and address it. Its a fact. It is evidence.

 

[IronWing]

The “border crisis” is a racist dog whistle. The only crisis at the border is people dying in the desert while seeking a better life.

 

[Indus]

What the fuck are you talking about?

You're an idealist hoping for the most logical intelligent solution to every problem.

The problem is most people aren't idealists.. they're often stupid, misguided by their own beliefs.. just like MAGA on the tariffs.

So you're never going to get the most logical intelligent solution and just calling them names and bullying them online isn't likely to change the situation in the least.

 

[Indus]

That the Biden admin had a terrible policy on illegal immigration was a factual assertion buddy. It is a fact that Bidens admins actions led to a high profile crisis at the border, so high profile that he chose to back track on his own executive order to halt construction of the wall and in fact, fast track the resumption of its construction. One of the main assertions I made. Stop ducking and dodging it and address it. Its a fact. It is evidence.

How the fuck does that have anything to do with tariffs?

We have like 10 threads on illegal immigration.

Stop taking this thread on tangents like genitals and illegals.

 

[Indus]

Cultural shifts among the membership overrode their self-interest in a lot of cases. Same thing with the longshoremen, they vocally supported Trump who thinks they should all be out of a job because trade is bad.

I don't think its cultural shift as much as people being glued to their phones.. that it's caused a severe decline in IQ.. I'd say almost 20-30 points worth.

It's like they've started to outsource thinking and reasoning.. and it's most prevalent in Gen X.

I mean how is it.. they didn't even understand a tariff is paid eventually by us the consumers. And this is something that we shoulda known about especially after Trump's 1st term!

 

[ivwshane]

Less economic activity probably is a good thing when you're trying to destroy the middle class so your oligarch buddies can snap up their assets at bargain basement prices.

I feel so bad that my daughter is graduating high school in four weeks in the midst of all this.

Why? There will be plenty of farm jobs for her and hell, she’ll probably have the pick of the litter for a manufacturing job when they come back! 😛

 

[nakedfrog]

You're an idealist hoping for the most logical intelligent solution to every problem.

The problem is most people aren't idealists.. they're often stupid, misguided by their own beliefs.. just like MAGA on the tariffs.

So you're never going to get the most logical intelligent solution and just calling them names and bullying them online isn't likely to change the situation in the least.

Uh...

 

[Josh128]

How the fuck does that have anything to do with tariffs?

We have like 10 threads on illegal immigration.

Stop taking this thread on tangents like genitals and illegals.

You are correct, I agree. Perhaps a new thread should be made? Its not my fault that I made a few statements that caused some people to lose their damned minds.

 

[Heartbreaker]

Ive made criticisms, you just ignored them and are telling me I havent made any. I provided evidence. Biden went back on his initial orders and fast-tracked resumption of Trumps border wall construction. Where are you from? Not from the US I imagine?? How could you miss the newslines in the months and weeks leading up to Bidens resumption of the border wall. You address that, you hypocrite, instead of claiming I never provided evidence of my claims.

I asked you for evidence backing your claims that the Biden administration encouraged both Transgender athletes in Sports, and Drag Queen Story time. Two of your complaints.

You never provided any evidence.

Also you claimed Biden encouraged illegal immigration - resumption of Trumps border wall is not evidence of him encouraging illegal immigration.

Also fact check on reason for building resumption:

Biden's Border Wall, Explained - FactCheck.org

After the Department of Homeland Security announced it would waive laws to enable miles of border wall construction in Texas, President Joe Biden said he "can't stop" the money being spent on border barriers because of the way it was appropriated by Congress. That's correct, experts told us.

www.factcheck.org

Biden was still working in the time, where the President followed the law, and allocated funds could not be retracted... compared to the dictatorship we have now were allocated funds are illegally cut.

 

[ivwshane]

That the Biden admin had a terrible policy on illegal immigration was a factual assertion buddy. It is a fact that Bidens admins actions led to a high profile crisis at the border, so high profile that he chose to back track on his own executive order to halt construction of the wall and in fact, fast track the resumption of its construction. One of the main assertions I made. Stop ducking and dodging it and address it. Its a fact. It is evidence.

Yeah I don’t think you know what facts are. In fact, your fact that Biden backtracked on continuation of building the border wall highlights how gullible you are to misinformation and spin. The fact is that Biden did try to halt construction of the border wall and ultimately failed because Congress wouldn’t cancel the funds or reappropriate the funds for something else, plus the courts said he had to continue with its construction. Unlike Trump, Biden follows the law and respects how our government works.

I’ve tried to refrain from responding to you because you really aren’t interested in meaningful discussion, I suspect because you have no idea what the fuck your are talking about as evident of your border wall claim and the fact that you’ve refused to address the questions of the only person who’s given you undeserved respect.

Biden's Border Wall, Explained - FactCheck.org

After the Department of Homeland Security announced it would waive laws to enable miles of border wall construction in Texas, President Joe Biden said he "can't stop" the money being spent on border barriers because of the way it was appropriated by Congress. That's correct, experts told us.

www.factcheck.org

 

[ivwshane]

I asked you for evidence backing your claims that the Biden administration encouraged both Transgender athletes in Sports, and Drag Queen Story time. Two of your complaints.

You never provided any evidence.

Also you claimed Biden encouraged illegal immigration - resumption of Trumps border wall is not evidence of him encouraging illegal immigration.

Also fact check on reason for building resumption:

Biden's Border Wall, Explained - FactCheck.org

After the Department of Homeland Security announced it would waive laws to enable miles of border wall construction in Texas, President Joe Biden said he "can't stop" the money being spent on border barriers because of the way it was appropriated by Congress. That's correct, experts told us.

www.factcheck.org

lol damn you!

 

[fskimospy]

That the Biden admin had a terrible policy on illegal immigration was a factual assertion buddy. It is a fact that Bidens admins actions led to a high profile crisis at the border, so high profile that he chose to back track on his own executive order to halt construction of the wall and in fact, fast track the resumption of its construction. One of the main assertions I made. Stop ducking and dodging it and address it. It’s a fact. It is evidence.

Sigh. Okay so I will repeat.

What part of your link showed:

1) openly ignoring the law
2) encouraging millions of illegal immigrants to enter and reside here
3) for the last 16+ years.

Please be as specific as possible.

 

[Paratus]

Fear or hope? Tell us how you really feel. Shameful that you bring this up because of your political leanings. You are no better than MAGAts that wished for the assassination of democratic members of Congress such as AOC or Pelosi. You are the same, you hypocrite, just on the opposite side.

For all of you union experts who have never been on the inside, on both sides, telling me I know nothing about unions, I'd like to hear why you think a large % of the UAW supported Trump prior to the election and even the leadership decided to give his blessing to the ridiculous tariffs of Trump. Is it because things were going so well for them under the Biden admin?

Culture war bullshit.

 

[Heartbreaker]

lol damn you!

Technically you beat my edit by 2 minutes. So you really ninja'd me, instead of the other way around. I didn't see your post either, until I just got back... 😀

Either way, we independently had the same take on his post.

No evidence for his claims. The Border wall thing is really a red herring, and wasn't a reversal of policy. Even if it was, there was still no encouraging illegal immigration, which was his original point.

What a ridiculous hole he keeps digging.

Which amount to an attempt to "both sides", the previous admin for going too far left (like that balances Trump going too far right).

The "evidence" of this are some right wing talking points (that he apparently didn't see on Fox News), that didn't actually happen.

 

[WelshBloke]

You are correct, I agree. Perhaps a new thread should be made? Its not my fault that I made a few statements that caused some people to lose their damned minds.

Im not sure a thread titled "Is Josh128 full of shit or just an idiot" would fly with the mods tbh.

 

[misuspita]

You are correct, I agree. Perhaps a new thread should be made? Its not my fault that I made a few statements that caused some people to lose their damned minds.

Dude, I am sick of coming here to read about the stupid assery of trump's mega brain and instead I had to read 2 pages about something completely different and irrelevant like trans and other shit like that. 300 fucking million people swayed by under 100 people switching sex sides. Let it be, create a trans thread and pour all those insecurities. Also, please do not respond to this, I still want to read about how having tarrifs is great for the working people.

 

[K1052]

So now Trump says 80% China tariffs might be best. This is just moving the deck chairs around on the Titanic.

 

[K1052]

Uh oh they let Navarro back on TV to complain about Euro VATs.

 

[Heartbreaker]

Uh oh they let Navarro back on TV to complain about Euro VATs.

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Idiots. VAT is a point of sale tax, it affects local goods, just like imports. It's really no different than various US state sales tax.

 

[zinfamous]

He's just so god damned stupid.

People don't want to horde their money. They want to use their money to buy goods and services. Trade provided a way for people to get those goods (in exchange for money), and the whole system helps to create and support all sorts of jobs that pay money that circulates back into spending...

just part of those good times that it's great to live in.

too bad greenman and other simps like him are retired, because they should be able to lose their livelihoods and descend into penury due to the results of their obviously brainless decisions. once again, the worst of the worth never suffer the consequences of their utter failure. everyone else has to deal with their bullshit.

I guess the one silver lining is that we can probably assume that most truck drivers are MAGATs, so it's good that they no longer have jobs.

 

[zinfamous]

That the Biden admin had a terrible policy on illegal immigration was a factual assertion buddy. It is a fact that Bidens admins actions led to a high profile crisis at the border, so high profile that he chose to back track on his own executive order to halt construction of the wall and in fact, fast track the resumption of its construction. One of the main assertions I made. Stop ducking and dodging it and address it. Its a fact. It is evidence.

the only fact I see displayed in this statement is that you have been hoodwinked by lies. "high profile." It's high profile because it's an endless stream of bullshit coming out of your preferred right wing media outlets.

You don't actually care about the real numbers at the border. You just care about punishing migrants trying to seek a better life. Trump created the problem, and everyone knows this. Republicans have continuously been creating this crisis since Reagan--tell us a single fucking time they actually put forward and passed a bill to address it when they had the power to do so.

can you do that?

Now tell us about the bills democrats put forward, voted for, gained bipartisan support, and then were torpedoed by mewling cries from king simp Trump. Can you talk about this? Can you actually explain why the thing you claim democrats never do and you want the admin to do, that they actually did, but was torpedoed by Trump after he vocally commanded that he didn't want anything fixed so that he could run on it, and is still not addressing in any meaningful way (except for departing at about the same rate as Biden, lower than Obama, and spending VASTLY MORE money in doing so).

Can you explain why you continue to trout out obvious lies as some sort of fact to base your ideology upon? Why is this? Is it because you are a man of faith that is also proudly anti-Christian in these immoral beliefs that you hold? You are willing to believe anything so long as "the right man" tells you that you want to believe is actually true. That is pretty much all anyone gets from your posts.

 

[zinfamous]

Uh oh they let Navarro back on TV to complain about Euro VATs.

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I specifically bought and shipped all of my Sim gear from Euro stores a few years ago because it was much cheaper than buying in the US--primarily because I didn't have to pay the VAT that I would have if buying from within Europe.

Is Navarro's daily job just to wake up and make up bullshit and spout it out as if he's some kind of expert in anything? I mean...I know the answer. I had to wake up to that idiot nearly every morning speaking on behalf of Trump 1, just drooling ignorance from every goddamn word. I just can't get over the fact that such obvious buffoons are put in these positions and the dumbest people that have ever existed keep cheering on and voting for more of this plain idiocy.

 

[zinfamous]

You are correct, I agree. Perhaps a new thread should be made? Its not my fault that I made a few statements that caused some people to lose their damned minds.

jesus fucking christ. the complete and shameless lack of self awareness. But this can be expected of jesus-hating self-described "Christian." You simps will never have the capacity to challenge the unfounded beliefs that you confuse for truth.

 

[K1052]

Is Navarro's daily job just to wake up and make up bullshit and spout it out as if he's some kind of expert in anything? I mean...I know the answer. I had to wake up to that idiot nearly every morning speaking on behalf of Trump 1, just drooling ignorance from every goddamn word. I just can't get over the fact that such obvious buffoons are put in these positions and the dumbest people that have ever existed keep cheering on and voting for more of this plain idiocy.

He's an old crank that believes many of the same things Trump does about trade. Lutnick is similar but an even more shameless somehow. So when you see them on TV and less Bessent then Tariff Grandpa is awake and kicking.

 

[Josh128]

jesus fucking christ. the complete and shameless lack of self awareness. But this can be expected of jesus-hating self-described "Christian." You simps will never have the capacity to challenge the unfounded beliefs that you confuse for truth.

Good morning to you too Mr. Christian hating, slandering, lying bigot. Congratulations on passing the asshole test with flying colors.

My post below that got this all started was a response to the previous post about the democratic party making itself irrelevant, criticized both parties equally, and more importantly:

1.) Did not personally attack anyone here.
2.) Had valid criticisims of both parties.

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