The Trouble Is the West

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean
If you continue to demand we leave our God for the capitalistic god of yours war is inevitable.

We do not expect, or require, that you leave your God - only that he/she is mostly kept out of governance, for the sake of humanity.

As I said, Sharia has no place, at all, in the 21st century. It's practice, when done in exact accordance with the Koran, is too inhumane to be accepted, as an equal, by the civilized world.

Humanity is everything - so the instant you are perceived as being anything other than humane, you are relegated to a position of inferiority - and rightly so.

Examples:
Four wives? not humane, not acceptable.
stoning as a punishment? not humane, not acceptable.
women requiring four witnesses for rape? not humane, not acceptable.
Death for converting to another religion? not humane, not acceptable.
Death for homosexual activities? not humane, not acceptable.

etc etc...
Not only are the rules unacceptable, they are also non-negotiable.

And I haven't even begun to discuss the problems beyond the inhumanity of Sharia... another would be lack of equality rampant in such a society. Womens' rights, Gays' rights, and those of the "infidels" amongst you, would be nil - or close enough.

bah.. forget it. You're Sharia-induced inhumane pipedream will eventually lead to another World War, and there isn't anything I can do or say to change your mind - or the minds of the millions of brainwashed idiots like yourself.

shame that...

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: The Green Bean
If you continue to demand we leave our God for the capitalistic god of yours war is inevitable.

We do not expect, or require, that you leave your God - only that he/she is mostly kept out of governance, for the sake of humanity.

As I said, Sharia has no place, at all, in the 21st century. It's practice, when done in exact accordance with the Koran, is too inhumane to be accepted, as an equal, by the civilized world.

Humanity is everything - so the instant you are perceived as being anything other than humane, you are relegated to a position of inferiority - and rightly so.

Examples:
Four wives? not humane, not acceptable.
stoning as a punishment? not humane, not acceptable.
women requiring four witnesses for rape? not humane, not acceptable.
Death for converting to another religion? not humane, not acceptable.
Death for homosexual activities? not humane, not acceptable.

etc etc...
Not only are the rules unacceptable, they are also non-negotiable.

And I haven't even begun to discuss the problems beyond the inhumanity of Sharia... another would be lack of equality rampant in such a society. Womens' rights, Gays' rights, and those of the "infidels" amongst you, would be nil - or close enough.

bah.. forget it. You're Sharia-induced inhumane pipedream will eventually lead to another World War, and there isn't anything I can do or say to change your mind - or the minds of the millions of brainwashed idiots like yourself.

shame that...

Who are you to decide what's inhumane and not acceptable? You think it's humane to nuke us all just because we don't agree with your views? Because you will be willing to do that if you might start to lose this war. You've already done it once and you call us inhumane! :roll: Being the Superpower does not give you the right to make the rules! If you must have war and then you will have one. Our people will fight before they have forced upon themselves the rules and constitution of foreign forces. They've freed themselves of one invader; they will do so of the other as well.

And if you wish to live like animals in your countries or mine I don't care.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean
And if you wish to live like animals in your countries or mine I don't care.

Re-read the following list and tell us who the "animals" are again...

Examples:
- Four wives? not humane, not acceptable.
- stoning as a punishment? not humane, not acceptable.
- women requiring four witnesses for rape? not humane, not acceptable.
- Death for converting to another religion? not humane, not acceptable.
- Death for homosexual activities? not humane, not acceptable.
- etc etc...

Like I said, the civilized world should not tolerate inhumanity, in any form or location.

So unless there is a humane adaptation of Sharia that I am completely unaware of, we're doomed to fight.

On the one hand, we have the educated and civilized world who are fighting for freedom, democracy, and most importantly, humanity. On the other, we have a collection of close-minded religious fanatics who wish to implement ancient inhumane laws that 5/6 of the world's population do not believe in.

Now, if you are willing to adapt, and perhaps agree to implement a form of Islamic law that is modern and humane, then perhaps we could avoid the pending wars. However, this would require you to first admit the inhumanity inherent to Sharia, as it was written in the Quran, so I doubt it will ever happen...

It's all or nothing with people like you... 100% Quranic Sharia, or nothing, right?

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: tvarad
The Green Bean:

"That's not true. The beliefs of the different sects of Islam stretch beyond the basic lines of what is illegal and what is not. Beliefs of two muslims maybe as different as beliefs between a christian and a jew and that includes the concepts of hell and heaven. The law is one of the few things that unite ALL muslims alike. You can call Islam a nationality rather than a faith. But now - when there are no Islamic states left; the shariat is practiced more in name than reality. So yes; If Islam had its own nation the rejection of Islam within its own borders would be considered "treason" against one's own nation. There isn't much anyone would do or could today if one were to switch."

You sound so much like a Communist. Islamists like you want a chance to implement this unworkable ideology just like the Bolsheviks wanted to implement Communism in the early 1900s. The question is whether the rest of the world can spend it's resources trying to contain it until it's proven unworkable like Communism, or spend the resources now to ensure that it never materializes so that the world is saved another cold war.

It's a proven workable ideology. If you think otherwise please explain. The world hasn't changed a great deal in 900 years.

Wow.

 

[Ozoned]

"Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached"

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean
If you continue to demand we leave our God for the capitalistic god of yours war is inevitable.

The fact that you so much as feel this way means war is inevitable. We do not seek to make you do anything other than surrender hostilities. If you consider living at peace with others the same as leaving your god then so be it.

We will not tolerate the imposition of that god on us.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: The Green Bean
And if you wish to live like animals in your countries or mine I don't care.

Re-read the following list and tell us who the "animals" are again...

Examples:
- Four wives? not humane, not acceptable.
- stoning as a punishment? not humane, not acceptable.
- women requiring four witnesses for rape? not humane, not acceptable.
- Death for converting to another religion? not humane, not acceptable.
- Death for homosexual activities? not humane, not acceptable.
- etc etc...

Like I said, the civilized world should not tolerate inhumanity, in any form or location.

So unless there is a humane adaptation of Sharia that I am completely unaware of, we're doomed to fight.

On the one hand, we have the educated and civilized world who are fighting for freedom, democracy, and most importantly, humanity. On the other, we have a collection of close-minded religious fanatics who wish to implement ancient inhumane laws that 5/6 of the world's population do not believe in.

Now, if you are willing to adapt, and perhaps agree to implement a form of Islamic law that is modern and humane, then perhaps we could avoid the pending wars. However, this would require you to first admit the inhumanity inherent to Sharia, as it was written in the Quran, so I doubt it will ever happen...

It's all or nothing with people like you... 100% Quranic Sharia, or nothing, right?

Fairly put! I'd like the answer to that post as well.

I don't care what the Muslims do in their own countries, as long as it stays in their borders. That's what gives me hope that there won't be some big holy war on the horizon. I think most Muslims are *not* complete whackos who believe in things like stoning, terrorism, and the death penalty for minor/moral deviations. We have many millions of Muslims here in the U.S. who cause very very few problems, and who contribute greatly to our economy. It's not P.C., but our Black population causes a LOT more problems for themselves and the country than our Muslim population ever even THOUGHT about. Honesty and rational communication FTW?

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: palehorse74


It's all or nothing with people like you... 100% Quranic Sharia, or nothing, right?

You sound like the Nazis who were convinced that they were right and that they were the "civilized world" and were willing to do whatever in their power to get that done. Suppose if there are about 50 million muslims who haven't taken up arms but are a potential threat to your idea of the world; would you kill them all? You probably would. It's the world that needs to adapt to Islam not the other way round. Like Akarign said what happens within our borders is none of your business; unless of course you are one of those white supremacists who believe only they are part of the civilized world and have the right to make rules for everyone. You argument hold no value so it would be better for you to shut up and save us all the trouble. You have never been able to reply to most of my questions posed and instead revert to repeating your ideas and to personal attack. That tells a lot about you and what you believe.

You are the animals. You don't have any purpose to life except to br born; follow your instincts; fight for superiority and die. That's what animals do.

We ca all agree this is barbarism: http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=3977702&page=1
LOL @ you fighting for humanity. You don't even know what that means...oh but wait your version of humanity only extends to the whites right?

 

[chucky2]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: palehorse74


It's all or nothing with people like you... 100% Quranic Sharia, or nothing, right?

You sound like the Nazis who were convinced that they were right and that they were the "civilized world" and were willing to do whatever in their power to get that done. Suppose if there are about 50 million muslims who haven't taken up arms but are a potential threat to your idea of the world; would you kill them all? You probably would. It's the world that needs to adapt to Islam not the other way round. Like Akarign said what happens within our borders is none of your business; unless of course you are one of those white supremacists who believe only they are part of the civilized world and have the right to make rules for everyone. You argument hold no value so it would be better for you to shut up and save us all the trouble. You have never been able to reply to most of my questions posed and instead revert to repeating your ideas and to personal attack. That tells a lot about you and what you believe.

You are the animals. You don't have any purpose to life except to br born; follow your instincts; fight for superiority and die. That's what animals do.

We ca all agree this is barbarism: http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=3977702&page=1
LOL @ you fighting for humanity. You don't even know what that means...oh but wait your version of humanity only extends to the whites right?

Wow, just wow on the bolded...

TGB: There is absolutely no way The World is going to regress a few hundred years. Like it or not, Islam is going to have to join us all in the 21st century. We know it's hard coming out of that shell, the rest of our civs had to go through it for 3-400 years, but we're all better for it now.

Really, if we could simply by an Act of Allah keep all the nutty Muslims to themselves, I think the West could live with that. However in the world of international travel, and WMD-type weapons, really fanatical Muslims simply cannot be trusted to do that.

And so we come over there.....

Chuck

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: magomago

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Magomago,

You picked out the only line I certainly disagree with. Still, that is nothing more than a point of view ? based off of what is an obvious observation. How often does the news cover and show us large scale effigy burning anti-American demonstrations like those in the countries she mentioned?

I certainly couldn?t recall those links you mention off the top of my head. It may be less memorable when it isn?t backed up by warfare and the shedding of blood.

Yes I picked out one line. Here is why - she is so absolutely certain in what she is saying all around. She doesn't pass it off as an opinion (At least as far as I read it), it is as if there are FACTS...and thus it constitutes a HUGE mistake on her part. I picked it out specifically to discredit the rest of what she says...because the point is to cast doubt on the rest of what she is saying...which is easily deserved. Its much easier to do that ( discredit everything of what a person says on something in which they appear entirely absolute) than to write 5 pages in reply.
Don't think I didn't read it - I did - and about how all Muslims are a "They" and goes about how as if it was Islam who hijacked the British soliders earlier this year, etc. In those two statements alone I can draw out to generalization once more when Muslims become this all encompassing "They" group, and secondly the the fact that a "religion" doesn't hijack soldiers near another country's border.
This second issue is completely analogous to talking about how "Christianity" is simply as belligerent. Look at the British Empire, who forcibly colonialised peoples against their free will and deny them bla bla bla bla". At least in that case the King of England is the head of the church (Islam has no heirarchy so less "blame" can be placed on Muslims)! But here is what it comes down to : they are both invalid arguments. What a political government does isn't indicitive of the action of the Quran and Islam, and is also most certainly not in the action of the Bible and Christianity.

Furthermore, are you honestly telling me that what the news does or doesn't cover is indicative of the magnitude of seriousness of an issue? Oh helll no. This is like saying the Rwanda Genocide was not a big problem, not a large scale problem because we all but ignored it. The media is quite possibly one of the worst offenders at telling people what is and is not important; if it was, then Ms. Aruba is most definitely more important than Darfur...because the lopsided media coverage over it definitely says so.

You know, the Russians, they don?t burn American flags. The Chinese don?t burn American flags. Have you noticed that? They don?t defile the symbols of other civilizations. The Japanese don?t do it. That never happens.

No Ma'am - I haven't.

Its not Muslims, its the power of an ideology. I'm too young to remember the post WW2 years, I doubt many here do, but I heard the stories of the ideological battles that occured and the movements that went with them. I think your a little sensisitive in assuming whenever someone says "Islam is to blame" You automatically assume we are discussing the entire religion as a whole, when in reality we are discussing the mentality of the movement that wraps itself in an Islamic flag.


Every centure seems to have a great evil that needs to be defeated, and so far we have been doing good on that, and the last time we didn't the Christian Church ruled the world during the dark ages. So now we have a new threat. The physical threat at the moment is a joke, even if they detonate a nuclear bomb in the middle of time square it will have a minimal impact overall. They could kill 50 million westerners and the actualy physical harm would be negligible. The mental harm they would do the west would be enormous though. The real threat of the Islamic movement is not the chance of a mushroom cloud on North American soil, its the fact that the mental threat from such a movement can destroy us from the inside out. I'm sorry that something you care for has been demonized by people you have no control over, but it has happened and will continue to happen whether you like it or not to be honest. Certain people in certain parts of the world have declared war wrapping themselves in a religious flag of Islam and until that is dealt with anyone who carries that flag will be seen as suspect by those that do not know them and generalizations will happen (and rightfully so).

 

[compuwiz1]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: eskimospy
So we're currently battling a network of 500 million people or more throughout the world, present in nearly every country? This is truly an 'enemies are everywhere!' argument.

Muslims account for nearly 2 billion people across the world, not 500 million.

Only about 3.333% of the world's population, or somewhere near there. Looks like they're outnumbered by a long shot.

 

[chucky2]

Originally posted by: compuwiz1

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: eskimospy
So we're currently battling a network of 500 million people or more throughout the world, present in nearly every country? This is truly an 'enemies are everywhere!' argument.

Muslims account for nearly 2 billion people across the world, not 500 million.

Only about 3.333% of the world's population, or somewhere near there. Looks like they're outnumbered by a long shot.

Uh, try approaching an estimated 23% of the World's population...assuming 1.5B Muslim's, and an estimated current 6.6B World population.

Chuck

 

[Finalnight]

Originally posted by: compuwiz1

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: eskimospy
So we're currently battling a network of 500 million people or more throughout the world, present in nearly every country? This is truly an 'enemies are everywhere!' argument.

Muslims account for nearly 2 billion people across the world, not 500 million.

Only about 3.333% of the world's population, or somewhere near there. Looks like they're outnumbered by a long shot.

Woah dawg, i assume you misread that to say 2 million.

Data as of 2005

Christians: 2.1 Billion-31%
Muslims: 1.3 Billion-20%
Agnostic/Atheist/Secular: 1.1 Billion-16.6%
Hindus: 0.97 Billion-14.6%

Buddhists-0.38 Billion

 

[compuwiz1]

Originally posted by: chucky2

Originally posted by: compuwiz1

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: eskimospy
So we're currently battling a network of 500 million people or more throughout the world, present in nearly every country? This is truly an 'enemies are everywhere!' argument.

Muslims account for nearly 2 billion people across the world, not 500 million.

Only about 3.333% of the world's population, or somewhere near there. Looks like they're outnumbered by a long shot.

Uh, try approaching an estimated 23% of the World's population...assuming 1.5B Muslim's, and an estimated current 6.6B World population.

Chuck

oops, dem damn decimal points got in the way again. 23% means this has potential for trouble.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean
It's the world that needs to adapt to Islam not the other way round.

Well now... I guess that just about sums up the entire issue, doesnt it? And, since that's never going to happen, and rightfully so, I guess war may be the only option.

I really wish that wasn't true... your stubbornness is really keeping your people down, you know that?

Like Akarign said what happens within our borders is none of your business; unless of course you are one of those white supremacists who believe only they are part of the civilized world and have the right to make rules for everyone.

Your race has nothing to do with this - only your humanity, or lackthereof.

Quite simply, the only times we (the rest of the world) care about what happens inside your borders are when A) it negatively impacts anyone beyond your borders (ie. 9/11), and B) you are doing something within your borders that is inhumane. Again, this has nothing whatsoever to do with the color of your skin. (At least with me personally).

That said, please answer the question: Is literal Quranic Sharia, 100% as it was written, the only form of Islamic governance you are willing to accept?

 

[Jaskalas]

I?d be happily fine if they left it in their borders. Yet with immigration, world wide mass communication and conversion, there is no way that we ourselves are not also a breeding ground for that which ails us.

Originally posted by: compuwiz1
oops, dem damn decimal points got in the way again. 23% means this has potential for trouble.

And growing. Not to mention half of the remaining population wants to appease and become buddies with that 23% and the infection within it. So it really becomes a 3 way split between Muslim, Muslim sympathizer , and "warmongers". In which case we are out numbered 2 to 1 when it is time to isolate the infection and defend ourselves.

So then the obvious result is that we will take none of the necessary actions required to curb the growth of it, here or abroad. Our society assaults those of us who see it as a priority and a threat. We?re considered warmongers or loons etc. We face opposition down to the very core of their ideological beliefs.

The western civilization is wide open for plunder. I dare say Green Bean is on the winning side. Or in the very least the only side with any bit of momentum.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Finalnight

Originally posted by: compuwiz1

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: eskimospy
So we're currently battling a network of 500 million people or more throughout the world, present in nearly every country? This is truly an 'enemies are everywhere!' argument.

Muslims account for nearly 2 billion people across the world, not 500 million.

Only about 3.333% of the world's population, or somewhere near there. Looks like they're outnumbered by a long shot.

Woah dawg, i assume you misread that to say 2 million.

Data as of 2005

Christians: 2.1 Billion-31%
Muslims: 1.3 Billion-20%
Agnostic/Atheist/Secular: 1.1 Billion-16.6%
Hindus: 0.97 Billion-14.6%
Buddhists-0.38 Billion

FYI b/c people seem to think otherwise:
Jews: 15 million - 0.2%

Kinda makes the whole "Jews are taking over the world!" argument look kinda silly
But their influence is all out of proportion to their size! Ya got me there. Amazing what sending all your kids to college will do.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: The Green Bean
It's the world that needs to adapt to Islam not the other way round.

Well now... I guess that just about sums up the entire issue, doesnt it? And, since that's never going to happen, and rightfully so, I guess war may be the only option.

I really wish that wasn't true... your stubbornness is really keeping your people down, you know that?

Like Akarign said what happens within our borders is none of your business; unless of course you are one of those white supremacists who believe only they are part of the civilized world and have the right to make rules for everyone.

Your race has nothing to do with this - only your humanity, or lackthereof.

Quite simply, the only times we (the rest of the world) care about what happens inside your borders are when A) it negatively impacts anyone beyond your borders (ie. 9/11), and B) you are doing something within your borders that is inhumane. Again, this has nothing whatsoever to do with the color of your skin. (At least with me personally).

That said, please answer the question: Is literal Quranic Sharia, 100% as it was written, the only form of Islamic governance you are willing to accept?

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[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: palehorse74
That said, please answer the question: Is literal Quranic Sharia, 100% as it was written, the only form of Islamic governance you are willing to accept?

define "accept." I accept and follow the rules of whichever country I am in. But I feel the sharia is coming and I think America will have to deal with it; unless it wants a nuclear world war. We have the tech, resources and money to build enough nukes within enough time to challenge the west whenever the sharia would be back - 10 years? 100? Maybe 1000. It's not going to die off; not from the hearts of the devout muslims.

You are doing within your borders which I say is inhumane. Infact, there are somethings that you do which we can all agree are inhumane. But it's always someone else's fault.

Besides where did you get your self proclaimed right of deciding what's right and what's wrong? A majority does not ensure you always get it right! Seeing the sad moral state of your country I am often happy I live in mine. But alas, you have been brainwashed with the capitalistic way of looking at the world which I'm sorry to say will lead to destruction.

 

[Madwand1]

Originally posted by: The Green BeanI accept and follow the rules of whichever country I am in. But I feel the sharia is coming and I think America will have to deal with it; unless it wants a nuclear world war. We have the tech, resources and money to build enough nukes within enough time to challenge the west whenever the sharia would be back - 10 years? 100? Maybe 1000. It's not going to die off; not from the hearts of the devout muslims.

It is nothing less than a sin to threaten a world with nuclear war in the name of God and religion. Change your ways if you have faith and not merely political ideology. Even if you only have chauvinism and political ambition, cloaking and confusing it with religion is harmful to you.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: Madwand1

Originally posted by: The Green BeanI accept and follow the rules of whichever country I am in. But I feel the sharia is coming and I think America will have to deal with it; unless it wants a nuclear world war. We have the tech, resources and money to build enough nukes within enough time to challenge the west whenever the sharia would be back - 10 years? 100? Maybe 1000. It's not going to die off; not from the hearts of the devout muslims.

It is nothing less than a sin to threaten a world with nuclear war in the name of God and religion. Change your ways if you have faith and not merely political ideology. Even if you only have chauvinism and political ambition, cloaking and confusing it with religion is harmful to you.

Says the guy whose country dropped two nuclear bombs killing thousands in the name of freedom. Says the guy whose country tortures illegal "detainees." Says the guy whose country is involved in a war based on lies that has cost a million lives. Says the guy whose country has threatened many more with bombing them back to the stone age.

If you start a war we will merely defend ourselves. If you drop one nuke God willing we will drop 10. It's your people that have been repeatedly stating the necessity to revert to war and use nukes where needed. Look at Palehorse, we says the west won't except an Islamic government on the other side of the world. If it's war that you want it's war that you have. Defending yourself in the name of God is not a sin. Besides if I had any aggressive political ideology I would not have been sitting on an American forum making arm-chair general like claims and comments. I do feel that the western media has poisoned American minds and they need to be aware of what we think. But I'm afraid you people can not accept a peaceful way of settling things. Instead of coming to the table and discussing why you think our ideas are wrong you threaten war. Rest assured that we will fight back if you do anything.

If you want peace and will be tolerant of our customs and culture we will come with open arms. You have waged 2 illegal wars against Muslim nations and suddenly it's a sin to threaten you? :roll: ... What about the threats your country has made against mine? But you probably believe America can do no wrong.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: The Green BeanBesides if I had any aggressive political ideology I would not have been sitting on an American forum making arm-chair general like claims and comments.

Good point. My understanding is ME countries don't treat political dissidents with a whole lot of respect. It's nice that this country gives it's people the freedom to spout anti-american rhetoric without retribution isn't it?

 

[Madwand1]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Says the guy whose country dropped two nuclear bombs killing thousands in the name of freedom. If you start a war we will merely defend ourselves. If you drop one nuke God willing we will drop 10. It's your people that have been repeatedly stating the necessity to revert to war and use nukes where needed. Look at Palehorse, we says the west won't except an Islamic government on the other side of the world. If it's war that you want it's war that you have. Defending yourself in the name of God is not a sin. Besides if I had any aggressive political ideology I would not have been sitting on an American forum making arm-chair general like claims and comments. I do feel that the western media has poisoned American minds and they need to be aware of what we think. But I'm afraid you people can not accept a peaceful way of settling things. Instead of coming to the table and discussing why you think our ideas are wrong you threaten war. Rest assured that we will fight back if you do anything.

Brother, you know little about me. You don't know my country. You don't know of any political leanings or affiliations I may or may not have, yet jump to unwarranted conclusions based on your mindset, and wage a hypothetical war in your mind with me.

God is not restricted to a country, region, or even religion.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: The Green BeanBesides if I had any aggressive political ideology I would not have been sitting on an American forum making arm-chair general like claims and comments.

Good point. My understanding is ME countries don't treat political dissidents with a whole lot of respect. It's nice that this country gives it's people the freedom to spout anti-american rhetoric without retribution isn't it?

I meant I would've been doing something about it rather than just sit and talk on a forum to pass my time ... Having said that making comments like this do sometimes scare me... not from my countrymen; but yours. They might put me in Guantanamo just for saying this; well at least you'll know where I am if I stop posting

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: Madwand1

Originally posted by: The Green BeanI accept and follow the rules of whichever country I am in. But I feel the sharia is coming and I think America will have to deal with it; unless it wants a nuclear world war. We have the tech, resources and money to build enough nukes within enough time to challenge the west whenever the sharia would be back - 10 years? 100? Maybe 1000. It's not going to die off; not from the hearts of the devout muslims.

It is nothing less than a sin to threaten a world with nuclear war in the name of God and religion. Change your ways if you have faith and not merely political ideology. Even if you only have chauvinism and political ambition, cloaking and confusing it with religion is harmful to you.

Says the guy whose country dropped two nuclear bombs killing thousands in the name of freedom. Says the guy whose country tortures illegal "detainees." Says the guy whose country is involved in a war based on lies that has cost a million lives. Says the guy whose country has threatened many more with bombing them back to the stone age.

If you start a war we will merely defend ourselves. If you drop one nuke God willing we will drop 10. It's your people that have been repeatedly stating the necessity to revert to war and use nukes where needed. Look at Palehorse, we says the west won't except an Islamic government on the other side of the world. If it's war that you want it's war that you have. Defending yourself in the name of God is not a sin. Besides if I had any aggressive political ideology I would not have been sitting on an American forum making arm-chair general like claims and comments. I do feel that the western media has poisoned American minds and they need to be aware of what we think. But I'm afraid you people can not accept a peaceful way of settling things. Instead of coming to the table and discussing why you think our ideas are wrong you threaten war. Rest assured that we will fight back if you do anything.

If you want peace and will be tolerant of our customs and culture we will come with open arms. You have waged 2 illegal wars against Muslim nations and suddenly it's a sin to threaten you? :roll: ... What about the threats your country has made against mine? But you probably believe America can do no wrong.

WoW, the message has gone international. You can hide behind Islam, and behind the message of our left wing if that helps your cause, but from me, there will be no open arms for your faith, and ITS culture.