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[alzan]

It doesn't automatically invalidate the rest, no, but it calls into question the education of the author and whether or not he's just "looking" for something remotely contradictory.



Not defensive at all. Just advising people to do their own research and not wholly listen to obvious anti-Biblical sites.

I would never take a site called "evil Bible" seriously anyway.

Website names are used to grab a person's attention or describe their informational nature, they can but do not necessarily denote the authors/owners integrity or purpose. From the site: "Here is a short and incomplete list of Biblical contradictions which were obtained from postings in internet newsgroups."

The author/owner only took biblical contradictions that had been posted by other people.

 

[SlowSpyder]

What else would you expect from a sociopathic and psychopathic deity and those who "penned" his words?

I think their god should have invented mood stabilizing drugs before he created the universe. The whole idea of it doesn't add up, I don't see how this is a loving god. He created us imperfect, and the vast majority of the billions of humans that have ever lived and died would be suffering in eternal torment right now due to those imperfections. Most christians believe there is a hell. So if you happened to be born in the part of the world during some time in history where christianity hadn't yet reached so you couldn't accept baby jesus? Too bad? (Some christians don't believe in hell, there's that "perfect" word again)

It doesn't automatically invalidate the rest, no, but it calls into question the education of the author and whether or not he's just "looking" for something remotely contradictory.

Not defensive at all. Just advising people to do their own research and not wholly listen to obvious anti-Biblical sites.

I would never take a site called "evil Bible" seriously anyway.

The christian god killed by the millions. Man, woman, and child. Some of us would consider that to be evil. A website name has nothing to do with if the information within is true or not.

 

[Retro Rob]

A website name has nothing to do with if the information within is true or not.

The website name is a good indicator of the motives of the author. Would you listen to the material from a website entitled "whyevolutionisevil.com"?

Surely, you would already know the motives of the site operators. The motives affect the way information is presented, and the way information is presented depends on the goal(s) of the author.

You should know this.

 

[alzan]

I think their god should have invented mood stabilizing drugs before he created the universe. The whole idea of it doesn't add up, I don't see how this is a loving god. He created us imperfect, and the vast majority of the billions of humans that have ever lived and died would be suffering in eternal torment right now due to those imperfections. Most christians believe there is a hell. So if you happened to be born in the part of the world during some time in history where christianity hadn't yet reached so you couldn't accept baby jesus? Too bad? (Some christians don't believe in hell, there's that "perfect" word again)






The christian god killed by the millions. Man, woman, and child. Some of us would consider that to be evil. A website name has nothing to do with if the information within is true or not.

I 'm don't call myself a believer but there is a hell; some create it and live in it 24/7/365.25. That's bad enough but they invite and indeed force others to live in it as well.

 

[Retro Rob]

Website names are used to grab a person's attention or describe their informational nature, they can but do not necessarily denote the authors/owners integrity or purpose. From the site: "Here is a short and incomplete list of Biblical contradictions which were obtained from postings in internet newsgroups."

The author/owner only took biblical contradictions that had been posted by other people.

You're free to read information from "evil Bible" all you want, and I am free to reject it.

Do you have a problem with that?

 

[alzan]

The website name is a good indicator of the motives of the author. Would you listen to the material from a website entitled "whyevolutionisevil.com"?

Surely, you would already know the motives of the site operators. The motives affect the way information is presented, and the way information is presented depends on the goal(s) of the author.

You should know this.

Sure, sounds like comedy gold. Everyone needs a laugh.

You're free to read information from "evil Bible" all you want, and I am free to reject it.

Do you have a problem with that?

Thought you said you were open-minded.

I have several problems but with that, nope.

 

[SlowSpyder]

The website name is a good indicator of the motives of the author. Would you listen to the material from a website entitled "whyevolutionisevil.com"?

Surely, you would already know the motives of the site operators. The motives affect the way information is presented, and the way information is presented depends on the goal(s) of the author.

You should know this.

You danced around the point that a fact is a fact regardless of if you like the url name. If ilovejesus.com said that chritianity is the number one religion in the world in regards to number of followers, would it make that not true if I happen to not love jesus or want to love jesus and the site is obviously pro-christian?

Would you mind commenting on the part I wrote about how I don't see the christian god as very loving?

 

[SlowSpyder]

You're free to read information from "evil Bible" all you want, and I am free to reject it.

Do you have a problem with that?

The website seems to contain mostly biblical scripture...

 

[Retro Rob]

You danced around the point that a fact is a fact regardless of if you like the url name.

The URL, again, is a giveaway to the motives of the owner. Do you disagree with this?

If ilovejesus.com said that chritianity is the number one religion in the world in regards to number of followers, would it make that not true if I happen to not love jesus or want to love jesus and the site is obviously pro-christian?

I wouldn't dare take anything from a site by that name as gospel.

Would you mind commenting on the part I wrote about how I don't see the christian god as very loving?

No, I will not. People who normally jump from topic to topic like you're doing aren't really interested in objectivity -- they're only interested in proving you wrong and themselves right.

Like I told Alzan, I've been doing this a long time.

 

[Retro Rob]

Thought you said you were open-minded.

I have several problems but with that, nope.

I am open-minded, but not to the point to where my brain falls out.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Yes, I would imagine dwindlkinginunbelief.com or evilbible.com's owner has a motive of showing the other side of the bible that doesn't get talked about much before the collection plate is passed around. I bet they're not big on religion. But a fact is still a fact, right? Here is a a complete list of those killed by god in the bible. Because you don't care for the url name or motives of the author, does that invalidate those numbers as quoted from the bible?

*edit - Responding and showing that god is loving despite most of humanity that has ever lived is in eternal torment is probably difficult to respond to. Again, you dodge.

 

[Retro Rob]

*edit - Responding and showing that god is loving despite most of humanity that has ever lived is in eternal torment is probably difficult to respond to. Again, you dodge.

What are you, 12? This is the classic "jump off the building or you're a chicken" psycho-babble.

You jump from "contradictions", to "god is not loving" to "he's killed millions" in about 4 posts.

Predictable.

 

[SlowSpyder]

What are you, 12? This is the classic "jump of the building or you're a chicken" psycho-babble.

You jump from "contradictions", to "god is not loving" to "he's killed millions" in about 4 posts.

Predictable.

I was responding to what alzan posted. That side topic came up organically. Continue to dance around the subject, I'm used to it.

 

[SlowSpyder]

I 'm don't call myself a believer but there is a hell; some create it and live in it 24/7/365.25. That's bad enough but they invite and indeed force others to live in it as well.

Christianity's ~2000 year history speaks for itself. I can't see history looking back at things like foced conversion favorably. You can join the club voluntarily for only 10% of your earnings. Maybe we need to put that offer in the Hot Deals subforjum.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Christianity's ~2000 year history speaks for itself. I can't see history looking back at things like foced conversion favorably. You can join the club voluntarily for only 10% of your earnings. Maybe we need to put that offer in the Hot Deals subforjum.

what are you smoking?? Do you have any clue about Christianity other than your blatant misunderstandings concerning anything Christian??

You say voluntarily and you say its not voluntary because they want 10% of your earnings...you really need to lay off the weed or pills....

 

[Exophase]

Looking at some comments on http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com (thanks for the link SlowSpyder, interesting stuff), one thing that caught my attention was the claim that being critical of the nature of God implies a belief in said God. Of course, that's nonsense, but it got me thinking..

In the modern era, you will be very hard pressed to find people who believe that the Christian Bible contains a generally accurate account of how God interacted with the world while also having a neutral or negative opinion of God. In other words, both believing God really did all these things but believing him to be evil. So I ask the believers here, why is that? You would think that if God's creation, the flood, and other significant events in the Bible had strong evidence that it would be accepted by more than those who have a positive stake in believing.

A lot of believers claim that atheists actually believe in God and merely refuse to admit it because it's too unpleasant for them. I for one feel the opposite - I think it'd be great if there were a loving creator who had a purpose for all of us and rewarded us with paradise after we die. I don't believe it in spite of wanting it because there is simply no compelling evidence to support it.

 

[JEDIYoda]

But a fact is still a fact, right?

Whose fact?

Also where the Bible is concerned fact are almost always open to interpretation....especially old testament compared to new testament...
What is the context......etc

 

[JEDIYoda]

A lot of believers claim that atheists actually believe in God and merely refuse to admit it because it's too unpleasant for them. I for one feel the opposite - I think it'd be great if there were a loving creator who had a purpose for all of us and rewarded us with paradise after we die. I don't believe it in spite of wanting it because there is simply no compelling evidence to support it.

Actually a lot of believers believe that Atheism has morphed into a religion.....

 

[soulcougher73]

I'm only going to use one example to show how uneducated the author of that material is:

This is probably one of the most ignorant -- God didn't forbid "sister" marriage until AFTER the Mosaic Law was instituted.

In other words, there was no law against Abraham doing that unit AFTER Moses lead Israel out of Egypt, which was a few hundred years after Abraham died -- there is NO contradiction.

So you are saying God is not omniscient?

 

[soulcougher73]

Actually a lot of believers believe that Atheism has morphed into a religion.....

That's because theists are simpletons such as yourself, and want to create a war on Atheism. You fear what you don't know.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Whose fact?

Also where the Bible is concerned fact are almost always open to interpretation....especially old testament compared to new testament...
What is the context......etc

Do you believe this is fact, that the numbers are accurate? That your god killed the numbers quoted in the link below?

http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2010/04/drunk-with-blood-gods-killings-in-bible.html

 

[Exophase]

Actually a lot of believers believe that Atheism has morphed into a religion.....

Yeah, a lot of religious people say that to try to make atheists look like hypocrites. It'd be more effective if it were remotely accurate.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Yeah, a lot of religious people say that to try to make atheists look like hypocrites. It'd be more effective if it were remotely accurate.

It is remotely accurate..sorry to say!!
Why not live your life to help the poor and feed the hungry? Instead of trying to convert others.....
So let me ask one question....
Why do Atheists feel a need to proselytize those who believe in God or those who go to church? Sound like you are butting your nose where it does not belong!

After all most Atheists honestly believe they are better than most Christians because they supposedly do not proselytize.......just asking.....

 

[Exophase]

It is remotely accurate..sorry to say!!
Why not live your life to help the poor and feed the hungry? Instead of trying to convert others.....
So let me ask one question....
Why do Atheists feel a need to proselytize those who believe in God or those who go to church? Sound like you are butting your nose where it does not belong!

After all most Atheists honestly believe they are better than most Christians because they supposedly do not proselytize.......just asking.....

I'm not trying to convert anybody, much less am I proselytizing - I'm partaking in a discussion on a message board. Even if I wanted to convert believers, I'm not so naive to think for a minute than I'd be able to. And you have no idea what my charitable contributions are. And I think you make far more posts whining about atheists and defending your faith than I do about Christians, so who's the hypocrite exactly?

Tell you what, I used to believe in this stuff too. And when I used to refuse to look at web sites that presented anything that would challenge my faith. It felt extremely unpleasant to. But that gradually fell apart.

 

[alzan]

I am open-minded, but not to the point to where my brain falls out.

In animals (including humans) the brain is attached to the spinal cord; it would not fall out.

Christianity's ~2000 year history speaks for itself. I can't see history looking back at things like foced conversion favorably. You can join the club voluntarily for only 10% of your earnings. Maybe we need to put that offer in the Hot Deals subforjum.

Sounds a lot like that other Abrahamic belief system, Islam

Actually a lot of believers believe that Atheism has morphed into a religion.....

Belief, and believers are often shown to be incorrect or false.