The Teabagger is on the right side of history.

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I hate to say it. But its true. Your teabagger is a thug, a racist, a moron, a coward, a fraud, but they are the people. For years we've all been wondering where has the outrage been. Why aren't fucking heads rolling down Walstreet?

The teabagger is the only one who seems to give a god damn. Sure they are a bunch of johnny come lately whose only reason for their sudden angst is the chance to spit on some black politicians. But at the end of the day, a black politician is a politician!

This government is broken. Austerity is coming one way or another. Why not walk into it with courage, accept what very well could be instant depression and start on the road to real recovery. Since Saint Reagan we've had 30 years of growth. Except that growth was a facade built on debt. Your house, your job, your life is all a product of that debt. The economy is an illusion, most of us have no idea what a real economy is since we've never seen one ourselves.

Republicans and Democrats do not have this country in their interest. They are not of the people. The teabagger is the only subset of the people that has put down its t.v. remote to voice itself. Thats how bad it is in this country! The teabagger is the only one who gives a fuck lol.

This status quo that has been our lives must come to an end right? Somebody tell me that we can make up wars and lose them for 12 years straight, burrow trillions of dollars and print hundreds of trillions of dollars more in cash to give to Toyota, France, Libya, and many more dubious outlays with no cost?

When this debt ceiling is raised and the status quo is protected once again. Lets all remember when we wallow in a devastating depression a short time from now that these morons called the teabaggers were right.
 

irishScott

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Nice chain letter.

In any case, America has almost always been reactionist. People won't start caring as a whole until shit hits the fan, and we'll recover as we've done throughout the centuries.
 

Zorkorist

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Your voice, is now added to Teabaggery.

Don't discount your voice, even if it is only heard on forums.

-John
 

UberNeuman

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brencat

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This government is broken. Austerity is coming one way or another. Why not walk into it with courage, accept what very well could be instant depression and start on the road to real recovery. Since Saint Reagan we've had 30 years of growth. Except that growth was a facade built on debt. Your house, your job, your life is all a product of that debt. The economy is an illusion, most of us have no idea what a real economy is since we've never seen one ourselves.

Absolutely, 100% correct :thumbsup:
 

nonameo

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I cannot argue whether or not the teabaggers are right or wrong. However, I think most will agree that a sudden and major no-compromise approach is not the way to do this. It needs to be taken in small bites.

I do think a balanced budget would have a positive psychological impact on the country that would be a benefit to our economy.
 

Zorkorist

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It's exactly the right time, and the right issue.

Obama is on TV, almost crying to Spend more, Tax more.

Meanwhile most of America is looking for less spending, less taxation, less regulation.

-John
 

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The supposed "Teabagger" movement is nothing more than a Republican ploy to garner votes. It's quite clear their Southern Strategy will no longer work as effectively, so they had to find another way to get at the white vote.

Look at who the financial backers of the Tea Party are. They are anything but a grass roots movement that is by the people and for the people.
 

woolfe9999

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I hate to say it. But its true. Your teabagger is a thug, a racist, a moron, a coward, a fraud, but they are the people. For years we've all been wondering where has the outrage been. Why aren't fucking heads rolling down Walstreet?

The teabagger is the only one who seems to give a god damn. Sure they are a bunch of johnny come lately whose only reason for their sudden angst is the chance to spit on some black politicians. But at the end of the day, a black politician is a politician!

This government is broken. Austerity is coming one way or another. Why not walk into it with courage, accept what very well could be instant depression and start on the road to real recovery. Since Saint Reagan we've had 30 years of growth. Except that growth was a facade built on debt. Your house, your job, your life is all a product of that debt. The economy is an illusion, most of us have no idea what a real economy is since we've never seen one ourselves.

Republicans and Democrats do not have this country in their interest. They are not of the people. The teabagger is the only subset of the people that has put down its t.v. remote to voice itself. Thats how bad it is in this country! The teabagger is the only one who gives a fuck lol.

This status quo that has been our lives must come to an end right? Somebody tell me that we can make up wars and lose them for 12 years straight, burrow trillions of dollars and print hundreds of trillions of dollars more in cash to give to Toyota, France, Libya, and many more dubious outlays with no cost?

When this debt ceiling is raised and the status quo is protected once again. Lets all remember when we wallow in a devastating depression a short time from now that these morons called the teabaggers were right.

You actually believe the tea party is a spontaneous, grass roots groundswell of people who, though misguided, care deeply about the country? They may subjectively care, but their views are the product of propaganda that serves a very specific set of interests. No, the tea party is on the wrong side of history because they have been duped into believing that what they advocate is in the public's interest when it most assuredly is not. And they do not stand outside the system. They are very much part of the system.
 

theeedude

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It's exactly the right time, and the right issue.
It's exactly the wrong time (during recession) and the wrong issue (cutting spending instead of boosting it to create jobs).
Obama is on TV, almost crying to Spend more, Tax more.
He's not crying to spend more, unfortunately, though he should be. And he's not crying to tax more loud enough.
Meanwhile most of America is looking for less spending, less taxation, less regulation.
-John
That's what they were looking for in 2000s too, and it got them to the brink of a second great depression. Looking for it now will get them over the brink.
 

JSt0rm

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Destroying our credit rating for 10% cuts to our deficit spending seems a tad fucked up.
 

Jaskalas

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Nice chain letter.

In any case, America has almost always been reactionist. People won't start caring as a whole until shit hits the fan, and we'll recover as we've done throughout the centuries.

Imagine empty store shelves, cause of an economic collapse mixed with civil unrest resulting in disputed supply chains. Society has never been so inflated, and so dependent. Its bubble hasn't even burst yet... but the process has begun. We can stop it, but we will not. We choose not to save ourselves.

This won't be done with a depression, the easy way. This will be done the hard way, where you'll wish for the good old days of a great depression. Cause that was nothing. This will be everything. You haven't seen bad, no one in America has. Someday we will.
 
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JSt0rm

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Paul Ryan wanted $4 trillion / 10 years in cuts.

What is that 30% of the deficit? Destroying our AAA rating is worth not taxing the wealthy to Reagan levels? Good luck next election cycle. The republicans are gonna get fucked. The middle of the country blames the republicans for not making concessions.
 

irishScott

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Imagine empty store shelves, cause of an economic collapse mixed with civil unrest resulting in disputed supply chains. Society has never been so inflated, and so dependent. Its bubble hasn't even burst yet... but the process has begun. We can stop it, but we will not. We choose not to save ourselves.

This won't be done with a depression, the easy way. This will be done the hard way, where you'll wish for the good old days of a great depression. Cause that was nothing. This will be everything. You haven't seen bad, no one in America has. Someday we will.

Watch the first minute and 10 seconds of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLHh9E5ilZ4
 

Jaskalas

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What is that 30% of the deficit? Destroying our AAA rating is worth not taxing the wealthy to Reagan levels? Good luck next election cycle. The republicans are gonna get fucked. The middle of the country blames the republicans for not making concessions.

Great, then you can murder the Reps for daring to put on the breaks. Then slam the throttle down. Spend spend spend right off the cliff.
 

trenchfoot

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Great, then you can murder the Reps for daring to put on the breaks. Then slam the throttle down. Spend spend spend right off the cliff.

Yeah but, you see, the problem here is that the reps want to put on the brakes only after they jammed the accellerator pedal right through the floorboard when Bush and Cheney was driving the company car.:)

Then, and only then did the reps hand the wheel over to Obama with the throttles stuck wide open, the brakes bled out with the car careening down a steep rock-strewn riverbed screaming at Obama to stop what they themselves started.

Well played reps.
 
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Jaskalas

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Yeah but, you see, the problem here is that the reps want to put on the brakes only after they jammed the accellerator pedal right through the floor board when Bush and Cheney was driving the company car.:)

You may have noticed, in recent years we've gone from that record disaster to tripling down on it. Not even pausing the double down.
 

Craig234

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I hate to say it. But its true. Your teabagger is a thug, a racist, a moron, a coward, a fraud, but they are the people. For years we've all been wondering where has the outrage been. Why aren't fucking heads rolling down Walstreet?

The teabagger is the only one who seems to give a god damn. Sure they are a bunch of johnny come lately whose only reason for their sudden angst is the chance to spit on some black politicians. But at the end of the day, a black politician is a politician!

This government is broken. Austerity is coming one way or another. Why not walk into it with courage, accept what very well could be instant depression and start on the road to real recovery. Since Saint Reagan we've had 30 years of growth. Except that growth was a facade built on debt. Your house, your job, your life is all a product of that debt. The economy is an illusion, most of us have no idea what a real economy is since we've never seen one ourselves.

Republicans and Democrats do not have this country in their interest. They are not of the people. The teabagger is the only subset of the people that has put down its t.v. remote to voice itself. Thats how bad it is in this country! The teabagger is the only one who gives a fuck lol.

This status quo that has been our lives must come to an end right? Somebody tell me that we can make up wars and lose them for 12 years straight, burrow trillions of dollars and print hundreds of trillions of dollars more in cash to give to Toyota, France, Libya, and many more dubious outlays with no cost?

When this debt ceiling is raised and the status quo is protected once again. Lets all remember when we wallow in a devastating depression a short time from now that these morons called the teabaggers were right.

I understand, I think, your despair and alarm and comments.

But the tea party is just apart of the people. It can be small or large - it makes a difference.

It doesn't really stand for anything - a mob by any other name is just as crazy. Now, that sounds dismissive but it's not, in the sense that votes matter - crazy or not.

The tea party is a portion of the electorate that is partially manufactured, partially controlled, by certain interests, like the Kochs. They're in part a move by Republicans to try to get the people they have fooled over and over to say 'Republicans sure suck, but we better vote for them because Democrats are worse.' In allying with those who are understandably uncomfortable with the alliance, Republicans are 'playing with fire' - it's that or lose those voters. We're seeing some of that fire now.

It's a bit like the politicians in the south in the civil rights movement who rode the issue to power siding with racists - but then were stuck with them when they attacked freedom riders and drew the federal marshals and caused the nationalizing of the state guard. Whatcha gonna do?

Helping the mob change its misguided views is not easy - the approach Kennedy carefully took - riding the mob is easy - the approach people like George Wallace took.

The tea party might throw its electoral weight around, cause or block policies, but it doesn't really stand for much besides rage. It was really born from a Wall Streeter's rant against 'those damn poor black people who want to take all our money' as I recall the rant (as the issue that stuck out). Not the best of agendas, but appealing to some.

This was so predictable, watching the Republicans take power with appeals to 'good government' and fiscal responsibility but a real agenda to serve the rich. Of course it would leave a lot of their voters dissatisfied. They could only milk 'but the Democrats are worse' for so long. It creates cynicism - 'they all suck'. Which has more of a place than those cynics organized by funders like the Koch brothers - leading to a 'tea party agenda' of 'get rid of the EPA', just what some of the biggest polluters happen to want to make a buck.

You're largely right IMO about how 'democracy isn't working' while the rich get away with so much and democracy doesn't create 'the people' having power to change it. Instead we get leaders at best like Obama who say a few populist things but serve the corporatocracy, and at worst even worse corporatists who barely pay the public lip service.

Every time that happens, there's a temptation to grab the first opposition you see - be it tea party, communists, whatever, and it's usually a mistake.

The tea party needs to be opposed, minimalized, marginalized for the mob it is - even while a better for of 'tea party' with a public agenda would be good.

It's hard to be optimistic about the issue - the money behind the wealthy is incredibly large and effective.

You're overly broad about 'Republicans and Democrats', because the Progressive Caucus of the Democrats is the only major political faction that's more 'for the people'.

Destruction isn't the answer. Not raising the debt ceiling would be nothing more than transferring massive amounts of our wealth into the hands of the same bankers who are behind so much bad for the country; weaken the US in the global economy; reduce the spending for the people while protecting spending for the wealthy, helping them accomplish 'starve the beast' radical policies they can't achieve (hopefully) directly.

Just as the problem in the financial crash wasn't so much the fact we had to bail out the financial system because it had a gun to the head of the nation, it was the fact they had been allowed to have that gun and become too big to fail before that, this isn't about the debt ceiling. The problems are in things like our allowing the corporation dominance of our elections through their money and the massive right-wing propaganda machine corrupting voters.

With that, leaders who you might say fit the type who would be better for the country about being outraged over corruption - the Bernie Sanders, maybe the Dennis Kuciniches - can't begin to be 'nationally elected'. Politicians who will support the wealthy mysteriously find themselves with the funding to have marketing organizations make them 'viable'.

We can use grass roots organizing, grass roots funding, grass roots media (like Current TV or authors in my sig); unfortunately, these 'correct' movements rarely get majority support.

Funny enough, one of the biggest problems is the 'centrist bias' so loud in the country, dominating our media, that is so easily manipulated to move things to the right repeatedly.

These same people are the types many in the tea party come from.

They legitimize the non-legitimate (the radical right), and marginalize the opposition. We all know Grover Norquist; he has 232 of 240 Republicans in Congress wrapped around his finger. Who's the progressive counterpart to that, with a national image, a national agenda dominating the entire political debate in the nation including the President? Who's the counterweight to the Norquist message in the media?

Our democracy is troubled and I don't see how it's not going to get worse before it gets better, with more and more corporate money pouring into our elections.

No, things are more likely to just 'go badly', ever more wealth shifted to the top, the people poorer, and the powerful class reducing the power of the public step by step.

That just becomes what people become used to.

I've said before, the American experiment in 'democracy' and 'egalitarianism' is quite delicate and a historical accident, that there are always pressures to destroy.

We're seeing that. We could have used things like a global strategy for globalization that looked for win-win between the wealthy nations and the poor; instead we had a mess dominated by the short-term interests of the wealthy, who got whatever they wanted put into the law, and it's not going so well.

The bottom line is having politicians who actually 'represent the people's interest', and between those who serve other interests and the corruption of many voters, we don't.

Save234
 

irishScott

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Oh that's funny. Et tu Rome?

Well if it's all so bleak shouldn't you be organizing and outfitting a neighborhood security force and stocking 10 years of MREs and ammo in everyone's basement? Otherwise it's going to suck when the wrath of the economy destroys the electrical grid and biker rape gangs rule the anarchic streets of Jaskalasville and we all pray to the economy for the mercy of depression. :rolleyes:
 
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