The Tea Party Pork binge

[Nemesis 1]

wow FSCK more taxes....... i'd only be willing to pay more taxes if they could demostrate it'd be spent efficiently.... at thi

Every american should try to get entitlements . . Than we can all land in same shit hole at same time . Rather than suffering trickling down . We have entitlements trickling up . The $$$ is there people get your share.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

http://www.google.com/publicdata/ex...im=state:39000:06000&ifdim=region&hl=en&dl=en

Personal income cali vs ohio.

You should probably use per capita numbers for fair comparisons.
http://www.google.com/publicdata/ex...im=state:39000:06000&ifdim=region&hl=en&dl=en

 

[Dulanic]

Politicians doing their jobs, and representing their states, trying to get money back to their districts that is going to be spent somewhere else if they don't? Say it isn't so.

So how it works is as follows...

If blue state = taking federal money then that = useless hippies and their wasteful spending!
If red state = taking federal money then that = doing their job because others are doing it so they must too!

Gotcha!

 

[Ninjahedge]

No, the bigger problem is the loony left have no problem with pork barrel projects at a federal level. So they champion them as a "job stimulus", when we all know that very few jobs come out of these federal programs but much money goes into the pockets of liberal friends. They can't separate state from State.

No, the big problem is with idiots on both sides not being able to site the people THEY ELECTED as doing something but-munchingly absurd because by doing so they would somehow be calling themselves idiotic and giving "the other side" a "win".

Until we stop letting politicians herd us up into two political groups that keep FIGHTING each other over things as essentially inconsequential as Abortion, we will get the short end of the stick, up the arse, every time.

And only ~10% of us will like it.

 

[Ausm]

requesting money for your district isn't "PORK" pork is saying "i won't vote for your bill unless you put these line items in the bill for my district" by the time it gets around the floor of the senate/house it's got all sorts of things in there that aren't necesary to the original proposition of the bill

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA X 10 to the millionth power

The term pork barrel politics usually refers to spending that is intended to benefit constituents of a politician in return for their political support

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pork_barrel

 

[ElFenix]

hey this topic again

 

[fskimospy]

I don't think it is necessarily hypocritical for GOP lawmakers to seek stimulus money in their districts while criticizing the stimulus. I do have a problem with the ones who have sought to take political credit for it, especially by alleging that it has created x number of jobs in their districts while at the same time claiming the stimulus is a total failure and has created no jobs.

This exactly. You can oppose something's creation, but if it is going to happen despite your opposition there's nothing wrong with using that unfortunate situation to your best advantage.

The true hypocrites are the ones who take credit for the jobs created by the stimulus despite their vehement opposition to it though, yes.

 

[Lithium381]

This exactly. You can oppose something's creation, but if it is going to happen despite your opposition there's nothing wrong with using that unfortunate situation to your best advantage.

The true hypocrites are the ones who take credit for the jobs created by the stimulus despite their vehement opposition to it though, yes.

this may be the first time i agree with eskimo on something.....

 

[csteggo]

No, the bigger problem is the loony left have no problem with pork barrel projects at a federal level. So they champion them as a "job stimulus", when we all know that very few jobs come out of these federal programs but much money goes into the pockets of liberal friends. They can't separate state from State.

"We all" doesn't exist. You and some people who agree with your point do. But that is far from "We all". I am a conservative but the idea that the job stimulus didn't create or save more that a few jobs is ludicrous. About as ludicrous as saying that the temporary tax cuts enacted during the Bush administration boosted our economy. Feel free to have an opinion but please do not try to inflate its significance by stating it in a way as its irrefutable fact agreed upon by all.

Lastly neither the "loony" left or the oft times hypocritical right have problems with pork barrel projects.

 

[Ninjahedge]

this may be the first time i agree with eskimo on something.....

Pie.

 

[Lithium381]

"We all" doesn't exist. You and some people who agree with your point do. But that is far from "We all". I am a conservative but the idea that the job stimulus didn't create or save more that a few jobs is ludicrous. About as ludicrous as saying that the temporary tax cuts enacted during the Bush administration boosted our economy. Feel free to have an opinion but please do not try to inflate its significance by stating it in a way as its irrefutable fact agreed upon by all.

Lastly neither the "loony" left or the oft times hypocritical right have problems with pork barrel projects.

21 posts in 7 years? Welcome to anandtech!

 

[Ausm]

This exactly. You can oppose something's creation, but if it is going to happen despite your opposition there's nothing wrong with using that unfortunate situation to your best advantage.

The true hypocrites are the ones who take credit for the jobs created by the stimulus despite their vehement opposition to it though, yes.

I agree here are some examples of what you were talking about.

http://www.democrats.org/news/blog/...tend_ribbon_cutting_ceremonies_for_projects_t

http://blogs.reuters.com/frontrow/2010/02/17/obama-swipes-at-ribbon-cutting-republicans-again/

 

[Jhhnn]

It really doesn't matter if a congress critter earmarks funds or fights for their share of a stimulus bill- it's all the same thing in the end.

And I really don't have a problem with it at a reasonable level. I do have a problem with duplicity & hypocrisy about it, however. Repubs new found concerns are extremely disingenuous, considering that they were the Kings of Pork when in control of Congress-

Appropriation bills for 2006 probably will be packed with billions of dollars of pork. Pork is a bipartisan problem, but it has expanded roughly ten-fold under a Republican Congress since 1995.

http://www.cato.org/event.php?eventid=2433

Attack the source on that, biatches.

 

[Matt1970]

It really doesn't matter if a congress critter earmarks funds or fights for their share of a stimulus bill- it's all the same thing in the end.

And I really don't have a problem with it at a reasonable level. I do have a problem with duplicity & hypocrisy about it, however. Repubs new found concerns are extremely disingenuous, considering that they were the Kings of Pork when in control of Congress-



http://www.cato.org/event.php?eventid=2433

Attack the source on that, biatches.

Umm, 6 year old story. Nice one.

 

[Jhhnn]

Umm, 6 year old story. Nice one.

I knew that when I posted it. I'm pointing out that Righties want to act as if their Repub idols have been against pork all along, when that's not true at all. They were for it, big time, long before they were against it, and are really all for it today, despite the denials.

Google "republican pork" for more stuff like this-

GOP frosh Vicky Hartzler of Missouri packed the bill with $20 million for “mixed conventional load capability for Air Force bombers,” for Whiteman Air Force Base in her district.

Hartlzler backed the GOP moratorium on earmarks during her campaign. Now she says she didn’t think the moratorium applied to defense spending.

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/40931

Everybody knows that Defense pork is *different*, huh?

 

[Matt1970]

I knew that when I posted it. I'm pointing out that Righties want to act as if their Repub idols have been against pork all along, when that's not true at all. They were for it, big time, long before they were against it, and are really all for it today, despite the denials.

Google "republican pork" for more stuff like this-



http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/40931

Everybody knows that Defense pork is *different*, huh?

No side of the isle should be exempt for finger pointing and all Gov agencies need to trim the fat.

 

[csteggo]

21 posts in 7 years? Welcome to anandtech!

I appreciate the welcome thank you. I usually just read but sometimes I read something that I really disagree with. Someone speaking for me and not getting it exactly right is one of them. That bugs me.. I am sure "We all" agree.

 

[halik]

You should probably use per capita numbers for fair comparisons.
http://www.google.com/publicdata/ex...im=state:39000:06000&ifdim=region&hl=en&dl=en

Even per capita isn't really a good measure for comparison, since you have to assume the distributions are the same. Median tends to work better when you're dealing with skewed numbers.

 

[MagickMan]

I love articles that back up the hypocrisy I have I have mentioned to fellow Conservative forum members over and over and over again.

Enjoy

Was it already time for another blog from the DNC?

Alright sheeple, eat it up! :awe:

 

[mchammer187]

Politicians doing their jobs, and representing their states, trying to get money back to their districts that is going to be spent somewhere else if they don't? Say it isn't so.

I don't see this as any different than those saying if you want to pay more taxes write a check to the government in lieu of raising taxes on everyone.

 

[Ninjahedge]

I would rather have schools funded than pay for more "versatile" military aircraft storage configurations.

The problem is not all pork though. It is the whole kit-and-kaboodle.

Example? Medicare is fine. But why do we give old people a set $$ per month for medz, but then allow Merk and Phizer to charge whatever they want for it?

So Merk et all supports a bill they know will get approved by the congress because THEY know old people vote more than us WGAS youngsters, knowing that when that Medicare increase gets passed, they can up the price of their painkiller/thyroid/whatever medicine by $XX.

The problem with THAT being, we then look at Medicare and go "OMGWTFBBQ!!!!" and scream at a program that most know will not go away any time soon, and ignore the reasons WHY it is that large and why it NEEDS to be that large.

We need another cutsey catch phrase for this second-hand cash flow so people can actually refer to it as easily as "pork" or, sadly, our impatient and rather blunt "average" american populace will ignore it and pay more attention to what Charlie Sheen and Kim Kardassian are doing than what they are actually paying for in their taxes.

 

[zsdersw]

Not shocking. The Tea Party is full of people who want smaller government, yet don't want to give up services like Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security. Typical push-away-with-one-hand-bring-toward-with-the-other hypocrisy.