The Tea Party Pork binge

[Ausm]

The states should be our government, the Union voluntary. Once that is achieved then most of that money stops exchanging hands and stays right at home. Federal pork binging solved.

So with a simplistic view like that how are the Red states going to get bailed out by wealthier States then?

 

[JSt0rm]

If california actually kept all of its money there would be no problems here. Smart people want to be here. Smart people don't want to live in the deep south.

 

[halik]

If california actually kept all of its money there would be no problems here. Smart people want to be here. Smart people don't want to live in the deep south.

Ha yeah, there's a huge influx of people from texas, nv and other states to california. Which reality do you spend most of your time in?

http://www.dailycal.org/2011/10/07/exodus-of-the-educated/

 

[Darwin333]

Wow, what a wide range of sources. Not only are you blindly partisan but lazy as well!
Please tell us you got these links via email? It would make your post that much more funny.

They are photocopies of the actual letters signed by the actual person in question. Are you implying that they are forgeries because I would think that forging a document signed by a Congressman or Senator is a pretty serious criminal offense.

As far as the OP, overall I agree with the point that you are trying to make but in most of these instances they are asking for money that is going to be spent regardless. You can say that the stimulus is wasteful but still ensure your state benefits from it at the same time.

Its kind of like disagreeing with the level of spending on the .mil while trying to get a manufacturing plant for a jet, that is already funded and going to be built regardless, in your state. OTOH, I have send many of the Tea Party members try to get new funding for pet projects and such which is very different from the above.

 

[Darwin333]

If california actually kept all of its money there would be no problems here. Smart people want to be here. Smart people don't want to live in the deep south.

The rich (states) have to pay more to help out the not rich (states).

Isn't that pretty much the core of your political beliefs?

 

[Darwin333]

So with a simplistic view like that how are the Red states going to get bailed out by wealthier States then?

Threaten to purchase all of their states residents one way tickets to said wealthier states.

If Alabama seriously threatened that I have no doubt that California would pay up.

 

[JSt0rm]

Ha yeah, there's a huge influx of people from texas, nv and other states to california. Which reality do you spend most of your time in?

http://www.dailycal.org/2011/10/07/exodus-of-the-educated/

I know that makes you feel good but the reality is that when times are good cali does exceptionally well. when times are bad yes that means we have further to contract. Take a state like ohio, they haven't gotten out of the last recession so they could only contract so far.

I spend most of my time in the kick ass reality of make believe dancing with my confusion.

 

[JSt0rm]

The rich (states) have to pay more to help out the not rich (states).

Isn't that pretty much the core of your political beliefs?

No.

 

[Ninjahedge]

Politicians trying to get more money for their districts? I am shocked.

Um, it is not just the hand in the cookie jar.

It is the fact that most decry its existence and others that do the same.....

 

[Ninjahedge]

If california actually kept all of its money there would be no problems here. Smart people want to be here. Smart people don't want to live in the deep south.

Here's the Irony.

If you simply take out NY, MA and CA, 75% of what is left would have to rely on Alaskan and Texan Oil, and whatever Atlanta and DisneyWorld could crank out.

The ones constantly crying for smaller government and less spending are both the ones that actually GET most of the spending, but do not have any means to finance it.

Hell, do a little digging and see the smaller version with NYS and NYC!

 

[manimal]

If politicians didnt demonize pork it would never have been an issue. Its like the family first guys who end up cheating...


I just wish we didnt have the same tired discussions over and over...


First post in P&N for in months for me...

 

[Ausm]

If politicians didnt demonize pork it would never have been an issue. Its like the family first guys who end up cheating...


I just wish we didnt have the same tired discussions over and over...


First post in P&N for in months for me...

Thx manimal for your input. I realize that this is defiantly not the first thread to deal with Pork in P & N what my post is doing is illustrating mind blowing hypocrisy from Politicians from the Right most of who are on the Austerity bandwagon.

 

[halik]

I know that makes you feel good but the reality is that when times are good cali does exceptionally well. when times are bad yes that means we have further to contract. Take a state like ohio, they haven't gotten out of the last recession so they could only contract so far.

I spend most of my time in the kick ass reality of make believe dancing with my confusion.

Ohio unemployment rate is 9.1%, California unemployment rate is 12.1%
http://www.google.com/publicdata/ex...0&hl=en&dl=en&uniSize=0.035&icfg&iconSize=0.5

Ohio GDP grew 2.1%, Cali grew 1.8%
http://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/regional/gdp_state/2011/_images/gsp_0611.png

I'm pretty certain you have no idea what you're talking about ...

 

[JSt0rm]

Ohio unemployment rate is 9.1%, California unemployment rate is 12.1%
http://www.google.com/publicdata/ex...0&hl=en&dl=en&uniSize=0.035&icfg&iconSize=0.5

Ohio GDP grew 2.1%, Cali grew 1.8%
http://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/regional/gdp_state/2011/_images/gsp_0611.png

I'm pretty certain you have no idea what you're talking about ...

I don't have time to argue with you. Ohio's economy is nothing compared to california. Are you trying to say it holds a candle to cali?

lol.

 

[homercles337]

The states should be our government, the Union voluntary. Once that is achieved then most of that money stops exchanging hands and stays right at home. Federal pork binging solved.

Red states would be in absolute disarray with your model. So i take it youre okay with living in a bankrupt red state? You silly libtardarians are so fucking clueless...

 

[Lithium381]

requesting money for your district isn't "PORK" pork is saying "i won't vote for your bill unless you put these line items in the bill for my district" by the time it gets around the floor of the senate/house it's got all sorts of things in there that aren't necesary to the original proposition of the bill

 

[Lithium381]

I don't have time to argue with you. Ohio's economy is nothing compared to california. Are you trying to say it holds a candle to cali?

lol.

that's why they're percentages, not absolute dollars..

 

[CPA]

You don't have any "reasoning". I know you and the rest of the loony left like to think you're having a "gotcha" moment, but it just shows how blindly partisan you are. The money is already taken from their districts, they are elected to represent their districts, getting money that is being spent already is part of that representation, and they do what they can to keep more money from being taken from their districts, it's a really simple concept, I am confident that even you can follow it.

No, the bigger problem is the loony left have no problem with pork barrel projects at a federal level. So they champion them as a "job stimulus", when we all know that very few jobs come out of these federal programs but much money goes into the pockets of liberal friends. They can't separate state from State.

 

[halik]

I don't have time to argue with you. Ohio's economy is nothing compared to california. Are you trying to say it holds a candle to cali?

lol.

Economically speaking Ohio is currently better off than Cali, you said the opposite in your original post...

Median household income in Cali $58,931/1.3198 = $44,651 cola adjusted.

Median household income Ohio $45,395/.932 = $48,707 cola adjusted.

And that's assuming tax liabilities are the same.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_income
http://www.missourieconomy.org/indicators/cost_of_living/index.stm

Keep talking out of your ass though.

 

[woolfe9999]

No, the bigger problem is the loony left have no problem with pork barrel projects at a federal level. So they champion them as a "job stimulus", when we all know that very few jobs come out of these federal programs but much money goes into the pockets of liberal friends. They can't separate state from State.

Please provide support for the proposition that democrats get more pork for their districts than republicans, over the longhaul. You are associating "pork" with the left in particular so I assume you believe this to be the case. I know Rush Limbaugh likes to draw this connection and has been doing so for 20+ years. I want to know if there's evidence to support it.

- wolf

 

[JSt0rm]

Economically speaking Ohio is currently better off than Cali, you said the opposite in your original post...

Median household income in Cali $58,931/1.3198 = $44,651 cola adjusted.

Median household income Ohio $45,395/.932 = $48,707 cola adjusted.

And that's assuming tax liabilities are the same.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_income
http://www.missourieconomy.org/indicators/cost_of_living/index.stm

Keep talking out of your ass though.

My point wasn't to say cali didn't get hurt but ohio has been losing population because of the state of the economy there for longer then 2008

http://www.google.com/publicdata/ex...dim=state:39000:06000&ifdim=state&hl=en&dl=en

So when times are tough ohio is already cut to the bone where as a place like cali has room to fall.

 

[JSt0rm]

http://www.google.com/publicdata/ex...im=state:39000:06000&ifdim=region&hl=en&dl=en

Personal income cali vs ohio.

 

[ShawnD1]

Politicians doing their jobs, and representing their states, trying to get money back to their districts that is going to be spent somewhere else if they don't? Say it isn't so.

This.
This effect is called tragedy of the commons. When 50 states are pulling from the same big pile of money, it is in your best interest to take as much of it as possible. You should only take less if everyone else agrees to take less.

Applies to a lot of other things as well. Suppose I wanted to raise the taxes. I'm willing to pay more taxes if everyone else is required to pay them as well. Until we're all paying that, I won't give them a dime more than I need to.

 

[Lithium381]

This.
This effect is called tragedy of the commons. When 50 states are pulling from the same big pile of money, it is in your best interest to take as much of it as possible. You should only take less if everyone else agrees to take less.

Applies to a lot of other things as well. Suppose I wanted to raise the taxes. I'm willing to pay more taxes if everyone else is required to pay them as well. Until we're all paying that, I won't give them a dime more than I need to.

wow FSCK more taxes....... i'd only be willing to pay more taxes if they could demostrate it'd be spent efficiently.... at thi

 

[Nemesis 1]

The money was already taken, and being spent, they are elected to represent their districts, it's pretty easy to follow. Their belief of being against spending would be to keep the money from being in the governments possession to disperse in the first place.



See above.

Exactly . I would vary much like to see how Dr. Paul voted on the bills these pork programms came from . He voted against . . OP your such a tool and a vote in your hands is dangerious to the well being of the USA.