The Tea Party movement: deluded and inspired by billionaires

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dawp

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I work at a corporation and own shares in corporation. Bigger, stronger corporation = very good.

I work for one of the biggest corps in the country (one that is hated by quite a few on this board) and if you think they give a damn about their employees and customers, you don't know shit. they will cut cost at the expense of providing good customer service. when you have bean counters running things, all they think about is short term gain and not long term viability.
 
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Nemesis 1

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I don't know if you guys know this but Americans are not completely retarded.
This Rep are for big business push is older than I am . Who bailed out big business . Wasn't rep. It was dems . Dem house Dem senate dem president
 
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dawp

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I don't know if you guys know this but Americans are not completely retarded.
This Rep are for big business push is older than I am . But Who bailed out big business . Wasn't rep. It was dems . Dem house Dem senate dem president

tarp started under bush.
 

Nemesis 1

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I work for one of the biggest corps in the country (one that is hated by quite a few on this board) and if you think they give a damn about their employees and customers, you don't know shit. they will cut cost at the expense of providing good customer service. when you have bean counters running things, all they think about is short term gain and not long term viability.

Don't take offense. I know not your belief. But if your a God fearing man. Don't use the DAM word with that spelling. Swearing is not allowed under any circumstances. Dam is a swear word as you use it. Now cussing go for it but never ever swear to anything even in a court of law . Puting hand on bible and swearing to a thing . When that very book forbidds it is outragious . Now if your a heathen use any words ya want. Wife said I got that wrong . I looked yep I did error . Dam as you use it is a curse word thats not allowed either. Cuss all ya want to. Word usage is funny . Most people just don't get it . Ya want to make some money . Change your name legal like to something like SIR GAY . Than register online . Than if your banned for using that Word . Sue the hell out of them . Thats not allowed either in scripture. A lot of russian americans can get that word changed back to its orginal meaning if they went to court over it. I wish they would i love you is better label
 
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dawp

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Don't take offense. I know not your belief. But if your a God fearing man. Don't use the DAM word with that spelling. Swearing is not allowed under any circumstances. Dam is a swear word as you use it. Now cussing go for it but never ever swear to anything even in a court of law . Puting hand on bible and swearing to a thing . When that very book forbidds it is outragious . Now if your a heathen use any words ya want.

I don't give a damn.
 

ShawnD1

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Your logic is 100% flawed.

When you have a strong government to pick winners and losers, that influence over the market empowers corporations.

When government gets out of the way and lets the free market work, the power is returned to the consumer.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/economy/july-dec00/electric_11-30.html
San Diego is the first California city to suffer the effects of the deregulation of electricity, which was enacted by the state legislature in 1996. The theory was that by taking away the monopolies enjoyed by state-regulated utility companies, like SDG&E, new competition among electricity producers would result in a drop in rates. But since such simple market economics would take a while, the legislature imposed a temporary rate freeze to protect most parts of the state from higher prices. In San Diego, the freeze came off this year, letting the market set the price-- a very high price.

The vast wholesale market is something new. California Utilities used to own most of the power plants, the high voltage transmission lines, and the system to deliver power to homes and businesses. Under deregulation, the utilities still deliver the power, but had to turn operations of the transmission lines over to a state agency. In addition, they had to sell their power plants. So now almost all power is sold to the utilities on a wholesale basis by producers or generators. And according to Baum, they charge what they can get.
LOL. How's that free market coming?

http://www.businesspundit.com/texas-electricity-deregulation/
Texas had some of the cheapest power rates in the country when it zapped most of the state’s electric regulations six years ago, convinced that rollicking competition would drive prices even lower.
This summer, electricity there is some of the nation’s priciest.
Power costs are rising in the rest of the U.S., but everything is bigger in Texas: On a hot day in May, wholesale prices rose briefly to more than $4 a kilowatt hour — about 40 times the national average.

For a minute there I thought there was a fist in my ass. When I turned around, I saw that it was just my friend, good ol' deregulation. Stupid government, getting in the way of high prices. Everyone should get raped on air conditioners and other things that prevent you from dying when it's a million degrees outside in mid july. Getting raped is what freedom is all about. I'm pretty sure the first line of the constitution says everyone has the right to get fucked by companies that have too much power.



Nemesis 1 said:
Don't take offense. I know not your belief. But if your a God fearing man. Don't use the DAM word with that spelling. Swearing is not allowed under any circumstances. Dam is a swear word as you use it. Now cussing go for it but never ever swear to anything even in a court of law . Puting hand on bible and swearing to a thing . When that very book forbidds it is outragious . Now if your a heathen use any words ya want. Wife said I got that wrong . I looked yep I did error . Dam as you use it is a curse word thats not allowed either. Cuss all ya want to. Word usage is funny . Most people just don't get it . Ya want to make some money . Change your nam legal like to something like SIR GAY . Than register online . Than if your banned for using that Word . Sue the hell out of them . Thats not allowed either in scripture. A lot of russian americans can get that word changed back to its orginal meaning if they went to go to court over it. I wish they would i love you is better label
If anyone ever steals your account and starts posting, we'll know right away :D
 

dawp

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^yup, when I was in TX up until 3 years ago, My energy bill had more than doubled after the deregulation went through. the voter got a snowjob from the the very companies that stood to gain from it passing. no one would believe what the consumer advocates were saying and it came to bite texas in the ass.
 

DominionSeraph

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Your logic is 100% flawed.

When you have a strong government to pick winners and losers, that influence over the market empowers corporations.

When government gets out of the way and lets the free market work, the power is returned to the consumer.

Sorry, you seem to be using a grade-school model of capitalism. Start-up costs, efficiencies of scale, and established credit give massive advantages to established corporations which they can leverage to limit consumer choice. We have laws against monopolies for a reason -- they come into existence quite readily.
With power over their marketplace, corporations have power over their workers. With no union protections, as long as there isn't universal solidarity or very low unemployment, replacements can be found any worker who goes on strike for better wages. And solidarity on value is a very unsteady thing above subsistance-level.

Why do you think all of our jobs are moving offshore? American wages, protected by the government giving power to the workers, are at a much higher level than just subsistance level. Corporations can choose to go do business in contries that don't have those protections, though, and the American consumer is free to choose those products. And we do choose to buy from those low-wage manufacturers over our high-wage manufacturers. So in a market without government intervention, why do you think the American worker would be high-wage when the American consumer has already proved that he would rather only pay subsistance level?
The free market consumer has already spoken: It says that Americans, except for corporation owners, should all be dirt poor. But oh gee darn we have union protections which enable the workers to "steal" what the rich would otherwise skim off their labor, thereby putting money into the hands of the middle class where it is spent on the middle class economy, which broadens the middle class economy, which broadens the middle class...

See how this works?
Having only two economies -- that of the dirt poor subsistance level and that of the rich, doesn't generate much demand for growth. Subsistance level is determined by our physiology, which hasn't really changed in millions of years. It is the middle class who are the primary drivers as they leverage more than subsistance out of the system, creating an economic level which then grows as it opens up to the poor as economy of scale is leveraged, enriching everyone.
The upper class has its use -- you need someone around who can spend obscene amounts to be the first adopter. But without government standing as a pillar with which people can use as a fulcrum to leverage themselves into the middle class, it won't trickle down.
 

ShawnD1

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^yup, when I was in TX up until 3 years ago, My energy bill had more than doubled after the deregulation went through. the voter got a snowjob from the the very companies that stood to gain from it passing. no one would believe what the consumer advocates were saying and it came to bite texas in the ass.
Yep :(
We've had modern civilization long enough to know what works and what doesn't work. The government having too many rules or owning too many things doesn't work (ie soviet union). Similarly, having no control at all doesn't work either (private monopolies, AT&T).


Why do you think all of our jobs are moving offshore?
Because there's no reason to keep them in the US. Lots of countries will actively stop imports if they don't meet certain criteria. As an example of this, drugs cannot be sold in Europe unless they were tested within the European Union. When I worked at an unnamed drug company, we had a lab in Ireland just to meet that rule. They didn't make any drugs; all they did was test drugs so they could be sold in the EU. Some countries even go farther than that when it comes to import rules. They'll say you can't sell a car in a country like Bananastan unless a minimum of 20% of the parts or assembly were done within Bananastan.

Simply put, companies need to have some kind of reason to build things in that country. If I'm not mistaken, USA and Canada both have stiff import taxes on cars that are below a certain threshold of domestic content. At one time, all Hondas and Toyotas were made in Japan and were shipped over. Because of the import taxes and the high demand for those cars, it was more economical to just build factories in the US, hire Americans to build them, and avoid the tax. That worked out quite well. Now most Hondas and Toyotas sold in North America are made in North America. If there was no tax on it, they might still be made in Japan or maybe even China by now. Cars like the Honda S2000 are still made in Japan, so that's why the cost on that car seems unreasonably high for what it does.
 
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BoomerD

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The Tea Party...

Just keeping the wool pulled over the sheep's eyes so they don't realize that "We the People" actually means "We the Corporations."

As long as the corporatists can make people think that they actually have some say in who gets elected, they can continue their agenda of owning the American political process...and they're doing a damned good job of it so far...BOTH parties are completely corrupted by the big money being passed around by our corporate owners.

The American Political Process...the best money can (and does) buy.
 

techs

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Does anyone give Obama credit for preventing a crash greater than the Great Depression?
Or give him credit that at least half the working people in this forum still have jobs because of Obama and the Dems?
Or realize that their health insurance would be gone if not for preventing another Great Depression?

Yeah, 4 of 10 largest banks were within hours of failing when drastic steps were taken.
And Obama and the Dems restored the regulations that kept the banks from destroying themselves for 80 years, except for the time in the 80's the Republicans deregulated the Savings and Loan.

And what's the Republican plan if elected? Undo the Obama and Dem regs and take us back to the exact same policies that led us to the brink of destruction.
 
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The biggest problem with heading off a disaster before it happens is it leaves doubt you fixed it or that one was even immanent. The very foundation of the right is currently based on this doubt, you're just wasting your time techs.
 

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The biggest problem with heading off a disaster before it happens is it leaves doubt you fixed it or that one was even immanent. The very foundation of the right is currently based on this doubt, you're just wasting your time techs.

Sadly, you're right.

Whoa. I didn't mean right wing. I just meant right, as in correct.

Sigh, I know Fox will use this above quote against me when I run for U.S. Inspector of Virginity under President Christine O'Donnell
 

Craig234

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Does anyone give Obama credit for preventing a crash greater than the Great Depression?

Economists, but they're less than 1% of citizens. To be fair, some of the response, however imperfectly done, was approved by Bush, too.

It's easy to forget differences, though, like Bush's bailouts having 'no rules' while the Democrats added some rules to make it more effective for the public interest.

And Obama and the Dems restored the regulations that kept the banks from destroying themselves for 80 years, except for the time in the 80's the Republicans deregulated the Savings and Loan.

Some of them, not enough, but a lot better than the Republicans. There are still way too many corporatist Dems, too.

And what's the Republican plan if elected? Undo the Obama and Dem regs and take us back to the exact same policies that led us to the brink of destruction.
 

Zebo

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I'll be honest, tea party got off to a good start. Wanted to investigate fraudulent bankers and corrupt policiains who, among other things, made $750,000 loans to hairdressers and telling you that you should "tap that equity" to pay off your credit cards and maintain a lifestyle you could no longer afford, off-shored your labor and jobs to China and other places, sold garbage loans with fraudulent AAA rating to your pension/mutual funds to rob you, then bailing out banks who bet against your paying, in those bets that insurers were not able to cover. Did not like socializing loses and privatizing gains our current banking system is set up as. HC bill as well.

However, They morphed into not talking about that stuff once big money came in, the same big money that fucked this nation over. Today it's same ole shit, god gays and guns with a little less government for the little (and especially dark people) sprinkled in.
 

Zebo

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Does anyone give Obama credit for preventing a crash greater than the Great Depression?
Or give him credit that at least half the working people in this forum still have jobs because of Obama and the Dems?
Or realize that their health insurance would be gone if not for preventing another Great Depression?

Yeah, 4 of 10 largest banks were within hours of failing when drastic steps were taken.
And Obama and the Dems restored the regulations that kept the banks from destroying themselves for 80 years, except for the time in the 80's the Republicans deregulated the Savings and Loan.

And what's the Republican plan if elected? Undo the Obama and Dem regs and take us back to the exact same policies that led us to the brink of destruction.

Not really. Obama is masking shit via borrowing 12% of our gross domestic output every year but house of cards will come tumbling down. Also, I'd say 17% on unemployment and the 42 million people on food stamps would call it a depression.
 

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I'll be honest, tea party got off to a good start. Wanted to investigate fraudulent bankers and corrupt policiains who, among other things, made $750,000 loans to hairdressers and telling you that you should "tap that equity" to pay off your credit cards and maintain a lifestyle you could no longer afford, off-shored your labor and jobs to China and other places, sold garbage loans with fraudulent AAA rating to your pension/mutual funds to rob you, then bailing out banks who bet against your paying, in those bets that insurers were not able to cover. Did not like socializing loses and privatizing gains our current banking system is set up as. HC bill as well.

However, They morphed into not talking about that stuff once big money came in, the same big money that fucked this nation over. Today it's same ole shit, god gays and guns with a little less government for the little (and especially dark people) sprinkled in.



Interestingly if you are making the point that at the beginning many tea baggers were motivated by concern over the power of corporate money they could have joined with many of the Democrats who feel the same way.

As the Tea Party stands now, their policies are the wet dream of every corporation and billionaire. If they truly came to power they would dramatically shift the balance completely away from the middle class towards the wealthy and the corporations.
 

Craig234

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I'll be honest, tea party got off to a good start. Wanted to investigate fraudulent bankers and corrupt policiains who, among other things, made $750,000 loans to hairdressers and telling you that you should "tap that equity" to pay off your credit cards and maintain a lifestyle you could no longer afford, off-shored your labor and jobs to China and other places, sold garbage loans with fraudulent AAA rating to your pension/mutual funds to rob you, then bailing out banks who bet against your paying, in those bets that insurers were not able to cover. Did not like socializing loses and privatizing gains our current banking system is set up as. HC bill as well.

However, They morphed into not talking about that stuff once big money came in, the same big money that fucked this nation over. Today it's same ole shit, god gays and guns with a little less government for the little (and especially dark people) sprinkled in.

I pretty much agree. A great danger to a democracy is well-funded propaganda, and we're proving that now.