The Tea Party movement: deluded and inspired by billionaires

[DisgruntledVirus]

Most people have a special interest. If you work for an oil company, you'll support oil companies. If you work for an insurance company, you'll support insurance companies. Tea baggers are something different entirely. They don't selfishly fight for one particular lobby group; they just want straight up anarchy. They want oil companies to not face any kind of environmental regulations, they want insurance companies to have a complete monopoly. They basically want to destroy America.

/dramatic

I work for a big insurance company (auto/property, not health).

I support more regulation of insurance. I only support insurance only so far as to provide safety for people (since most can't cover a partial/total loss of car/home/boat/etc).

 

[trenchfoot]

Funny, I guess some folks think if you attempt to descredit the messenger, the message gets discredited.

I should take Rove 101 - "Effective Strategies for Disseminating Corporate Propaganda in a Democracy" at our local CC and see what else he's teaching nowdays.

I like the section in the course description where Rove mentions how to surreptitiously install corporate autocrats in high political positions and establish an elitist plutocracy right under the noses of the citizens.....oh crap, that part was historical in context, circa 2000-2008.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Please explain to me how having people like George Soros bankrolling the Democratic party is any different.

 

[matt0611]

Progressives are in full-blown panic mode it seems. Nov 2nd should be hilarious

 

[PokerGuy]

Please explain to me how having people like George Soros bankrolling the Democratic party is any different.

Shhhhhh! Logic has no place here. Billionaires funding political efforts are only evil when it's not the dumbocrats.

 

[trenchfoot]

Please explain to me how having people like George Soros bankrolling the Democratic party is any different.

Well, if you're asking me, to answer your request I have to dust off an old quote from Jerry Lewis and corrupt it a smidgen: " For those who know the difference, no explanation is necessary. For those who don't know the difference, no explanation will suffice."

 

[Londo_Jowo]

So in other words there's no difference however, you'll attempt to spin it off as being different.

 

[CrackRabbit]

Shhhhhh! Logic has no place here. Billionaires funding political efforts are only evil when it's not the dumbocrats.

I would say the difference is that Soros is somewhat more open about when he is going to pour money on a cause.
Of course your rose tinted glasses won't let you see that.

 

[trenchfoot]

So in other words there's no difference however, you'll attempt to spin it off as being different.

OK, I think I see where you're coming from, so let's discuss the point I think you're making from your perspective and put mine aside.

I think Soros' intentions are unique from anyone elses' as we each have our own personal reasons for the actions we take. So in that sense, there is a big difference why Soros donates the way he does in comparison to anyone else irrespective of party afilliation.

Is that answer closer to what you're referring to?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Spin it anyway you want but Soros is doing what benefits him the most.

 

[Moonbeam]

oh but I do, because I don't waste my life in self-hate

Let go of the shovel.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

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[trenchfoot]

Spin it anyway you want but Soros is doing what benefits him the most.

I agree in the sense that that may be ONE of the reasons he's doing what he's doing, and I think that reason is a strong one that motivates every one of us from time to time, but for lack of any intimate knowledge about his intentions, it may not be THE reason he's doing what he's doing.

 

[Jhhnn]

It's easy enough to cast aspersions on Soros, even when they're completely unfounded. One quote-

Playing by the rules, one does the best he can, irrespective of the social consequences. Whereas in making the rules, people ought to be concerned with the social consequences and not with their personal interests.

Anybody who claims he's acting contrary to that statement needs to cite specifics rather than innuendo.

The Koch Bros, OTOH, are *obviously* acting in their own interests, exclusively, even if tea partiers have the wool pulled over their eyes.

As for the rest of it, denial among forum members is obvious in the way that the messenger is attacked rather than the message, and that duh-versions are attempted, as with references to Soros. Modern conservatives and tea partiers fail to realize or recognize that much of what they believe has been planted in their heads so as to further the agenda of America's richest and most rabidly right political donors. And that's because those donors hide behind the beard of a variety of organizations specifically designed to do just that, as techs' article points out.

I support the Koch Bros right to free speech, have no doubt, but I think everybody needs to own what they say, not pretend that the movements and organizations they support and nurture are somehow not that at all. It's purposeful dishonesty, and people who fall for it are chumps of the most gullible sort....

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Soros has bought the Democrats lock, stock, and barrel. Too bad the wool is so far over those chumps eyes they can't see it.

 

[KlokWyze]

@ JHnnn:

Yup. The problem is that the more information they see that contradicts their strong beliefs, the fiercer they believe in them.

No wait. That isn't true. IT CAN'T BE. :'''''(

 

[CPA]

I would say the difference is that Soros is somewhat more open about when he is going to pour money on a cause.
Of course your rose tinted glasses won't let you see that.

Oh, that's a bunch of bullshit. Soros has his hands in so many things behind the scenes that he doesn't want made public it's unreal. there is no difference between him and the Kochs. Buy whatever makes you sleep at night.

 

[Jhhnn]

Oh, that's a bunch of bullshit. Soros has his hands in so many things behind the scenes that he doesn't want made public it's unreal. there is no difference between him and the Kochs. Buy whatever makes you sleep at night.

Techs and others have linked such accusations wrt the Koch Bros, so if you want your argument to be credible, you'll do the same, and you'll be able to cite specific examples, as Techs' link provides, right?

Have at it.

 

[CrackRabbit]

Oh, that's a bunch of bullshit. Soros has his hands in so many things behind the scenes that he doesn't want made public it's unreal. there is no difference between him and the Kochs. Buy whatever makes you sleep at night.

Maybe so, but he is also a very public figure and will often state what he is going to support.


I sleep so little at night that buying something for it might help.

 

[Jhhnn]

@ JHnnn:

Yup. The problem is that the more information they see that contradicts their strong beliefs, the fiercer they believe in them.

No wait. That isn't true. IT CAN'T BE. :'''''(

It's quite similar to the mechanism of denial wrt alcoholism and drug addiction. It's a disease.

 

[ch33zw1z]

You better believe smaller, weaker government = bigger, stronger corporations. Get your lube ready, here comes the real threat to your freedom and prosperity.

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[DominionSeraph]

Astroturf doesn't really interest me. That's child's play. I'm just curious as to how Fox News slots in. I really doubt they'd be the second prong in an overarching conspiracy -- that would just take too much organization for the structure to be likely. But I can certainly see them being users of lower-tier psychopaths who are overconfident that their mistrust (liars are notoriously afraid that they're being lied to) will shield them from deception.
There does seem to be a very agile and highly adaptive opportunist behind Fox News, or at least some structure that does a damn good job of mimicking one.

 

[Double Trouble]

You guys are funny. Delusional, yes, but still funny

 

[db]

Dick Armey did a terrific job of diverting Tea Party and Conservative anger away from Wall Street and toward the government, thus changing that energy from one that could hurt his clients to one which instead benefits them.

 

[Patranus]

You better believe smaller, weaker government = bigger, stronger corporations. Get your lube ready, here comes the real threat to your freedom and prosperity.

Your logic is 100% flawed.

When you have a strong government to pick winners and losers, that influence over the market empowers corporations.

When government gets out of the way and lets the free market work, the power is returned to the consumer.