The SUV is dead. Long live the SUV.

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Rustican

Think about it. What has a better chance of rolling over? A large object that is very heavy or the same size and shape object except it is much lighter? Picture two soda cans. One is full and one is not. Which is more likely to tip over due to external force?

An SUV has a higher center of gravity than a wagon making it top heavy. This causes it to be more prone to a roll over. It's not just the weight of the vehicle but where the weight is located.

Picture two soda cans. Both are half full. One has all the liquid sitting on the bottom half of the can, and the other has all the liquid in the top half of the can. Which is more likely to tip over due to external force?

Yes, that is correct which is why I mentioned that weight alone is not enough. Weight distribution and how it is applied has a lot to do with it.

 

[z0mb13]

Is the honda crv categorized as SUV? I would love to buy that car.

 

[HannibalX]

SUVs are alive and well. Car companies just call them "cross-overs" now because the term "SUV" isn't popular anymore, mostly because of douche bags.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Newer SUVs have stability control and anti-roll features that make them as difficult to rollover as a normal car.

Simply not true. Despite those features, they are not now and never will be "as difficult to roll over as a normal car."

Despite our technological prowess, the laws of physics still apply.

But it is. do some research.

I did. You're wrong. See my edit above.

Or, hell, just read it here:

What I saw for SUV's:
- NONE had a 5 star rollover rating.
- My sampling yielded more 3 star ratings than 4 star ratings.

What I saw for Passenger Cars:
- NONE had as low as a 3 star rating.
- My sampling yielded more 5 star ratings than 4 star ratings.

Clearly, passenger cars are STILL less rollover prone than SUV's despite the stability and "rollover" protections you mentioned -- as if this ever even needed to be backed up with comprehensive facts.

So, a 4 star rollover SUV is more prone to roll-over than a 4 star rollover passenger car?

Note, not all SUVs have rollover technology. Research the one's that do and you'll find that my answer holds-up.

I could PM you the same thing. But I'm beyond high school.

 

[HannibalX]

Originally posted by: z0mb13
Is the honda crv categorized as SUV? I would love to buy that car.

 

[Ktulu]

Originally posted by: z0mb13
Is the honda crv categorized as SUV? I would love to buy that car.

Yes, why wouldn't it be?

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: vi edit
In your first post you said the the minivan was the safest. A minivan is a direct alternative to an SUV for people & stuff hauling. When it comes to rollovers they aren't much, if any better than a SUV. There's a lot of 4 star rollover SUV ratings and there are no minvans with a 5 star rollover rating.

At least compare an apples to apples when considering function or purpose.

Which is why I would reccommend, in all but the most extreme of circumstances, a station wagon.


But, enough with your false diversion from my rollover argument with Caveman, in which you were repeatedly wrong.

Here, I'll show you your own damn quotes in undeniable defense of Capt Cavemans completely false statement:

Originally posted by: vi edit

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Newer SUVs have stability control and anti-roll features that make them as difficult to rollover as a normal car.

Simply not true. Despite those features, they are not now and never will be "as difficult to roll over as a normal car."

Despite our technological prowess, the laws of physics still apply.

It's not so much defeating the laws of physics as it is anticipating them and using them against themselves.

Caveman was wrong, you were wrong. I detest that you won't admit that.

 

[bonkers325]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: Rustican

Think about it. What has a better chance of rolling over? A large object that is very heavy or the same size and shape object except it is much lighter? Picture two soda cans. One is full and one is not. Which is more likely to tip over due to external force?

An SUV has a higher center of gravity than a wagon making it top heavy. This causes it to be more prone to a roll over. It's not just the weight of the vehicle but where the weight is located.

Picture two soda cans. Both are half full. One has all the liquid sitting on the bottom half of the can, and the other has all the liquid in the top half of the can. Which is more likely to tip over due to external force?

Newer SUVs have stability control and anti-roll features that make them as difficult to rollover as a normal car.

unless it has some sort of gravity-field generator, it still doesn't change the fact that it has a high COG and is prone to rolling.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
But I beyond high school.

Not as far as you seem to think.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: bonkers325

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: Rustican

Think about it. What has a better chance of rolling over? A large object that is very heavy or the same size and shape object except it is much lighter? Picture two soda cans. One is full and one is not. Which is more likely to tip over due to external force?

An SUV has a higher center of gravity than a wagon making it top heavy. This causes it to be more prone to a roll over. It's not just the weight of the vehicle but where the weight is located.

Picture two soda cans. Both are half full. One has all the liquid sitting on the bottom half of the can, and the other has all the liquid in the top half of the can. Which is more likely to tip over due to external force?

Newer SUVs have stability control and anti-roll features that make them as difficult to rollover as a normal car.

unless it has some sort of gravity-field generator, it still doesn't change the fact that it has a high COG and is prone to rolling.

Do some research

 

[z0mb13]

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: z0mb13
Is the honda crv categorized as SUV? I would love to buy that car.

Yes, why wouldn't it be?

so the SUV is not really dead. it should be big gaz guzzler SUVs that are dead.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
So, a 4 star rollover SUV is more prone to roll-over than a 4 star rollover passenger car?

Yeah, stupidly try to put words in my mouth, troll, that'll work. :roll:

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Note, not all SUVs have rollover technology. Research the one's that do and you'll find that my answer holds-up.
I could PM you the same thing. But I beyond high school.[/

THE BEST SUV's don't achieve a 5 star roll over rating. NOT ONE. Jeebus, you're beyond dense, not beyond high school.

You're that unappealing combination of stupid and lazy.

And, you keep telling others to "do some research" when not only didn't you do any, but when presented with said research, you showed yourself to be too dumb to absorb it.

 

[Ktulu]

Originally posted by: z0mb13

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: z0mb13
Is the honda crv categorized as SUV? I would love to buy that car.

Yes, why wouldn't it be?

so the SUV is not really dead. it should be big gaz guzzler SUVs that are dead.

Exactly, they're still gonna make smaller more fuel efficient SUV's. The days of the Sequoia and Tahoe are numbered.

 

[oznerol]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Mermaidman
Old news?

Possibly. But, I thought with so many posts here celebrating the death of the SUV, this article was topical. The SUV will still be around in the future. It will just be more fuel-efficient and not quite as big.

Exactly as it should happen - people choosing with their wallets and the market adjusting to meet new consumer demands. The big fault is that the government didn't step in earlier to put pressure on the consumer and car manufacturers to make this more of a gradual progression to be easier to digest.

I enjoy the tangent this thread has taken. I almost forgot the OP is about new SUVs being smaller, weighing less, and being more gas efficient.

So what's the new topic here - how SUVs are more dangerous than a compact car? I think the scariest thing on the road today are the drivers, not the vehicle they choose to drive in. The IIHS seems to agree with me:

Driver behavior may contribute to the increased rollover involvement rate of SUVs and pickups. Pickups and SUVs are more likely than cars to be driven on rural roads, where rollovers occur more frequently. Lower belt use among pickup occupants means they are more likely to be seriously or fatally injured when rollovers occur.

Many rollovers occur after a vehicle leaves the roadway and may lead to occupants being ejected from the vehicle, increasing the likelihood of a fatality.

And also, for the record, more people die from rolling over in a car than an SUV - mainly due to the fact that there are more cars on the road.

What's the crash rating of motorcycles?

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
So, a 4 star rollover SUV is more prone to roll-over than a 4 star rollover passenger car?

Yeah, stupidly try to put words in my mouth, troll, that'll work. :roll:

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Note, not all SUVs have rollover technology. Research the one's that do and you'll find that my answer holds-up.
I could PM you the same thing. But I beyond high school.[/

THE BEST SUV's don't achieve a 5 star roll over rating. NOT ONE. Jeebus, you're beyond dense, not beyond high school.

You're that unappealing combination of stupid and lazy.

And, you keep telling others to "do some research" when not only didn't you do any, but when presented with said research, you showed yourself to be too dumb to absorb it.

Nice insults. You're the troll. You present data without digesting and comprehending it. Did your sampling of SUVs only present one's with anti-roll over technology? No. You must be either stupid or lazy.

Please explain how SUVs with anti-roll technology can receive the same rating as a passenger car yet be prone to roll-over more?

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: ducci
So what's the new topic here - how SUVs are more dangerous than a compact car? I think the scariest thing on the road today are the drivers, not the vehicle they choose to drive in. The IIHS seems to agree with me:

This I completely agree with. Driver's Licenses have become a right instead of a privilege to work towards. And the testing we give drivers reflects that. I've seen plenty of people who have no business being on the road yet passed a ridiculously easy DMV test.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Please explain how SUVs with anti-roll technology can receive the same rating as a passenger car yet be prone to roll-over more?

Show me one SUV with a five star rating -- just one -- and we'll talk. DAMN, you're dumb. :|

Your statement: "Newer SUVs have stability control and anti-roll features that make them as difficult to rollover as a normal car."

Yet, MORE than half of the "normal cars" have a 5 STAR rating. Not one of the Suv's does.

What about THAT FACT can't you absorb????
You . . . are . . . simply . . . WRONG.

You got caught in a stupidly wrong statement, and you are repeatedly proving yourself either not bright enough or not honest enough to admit it.

You are the living, breathing definition of a TROLL.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Please explain how SUVs with anti-roll technology can receive the same rating as a passenger car yet be prone to roll-over more?

Show me one SUV with a five star rating -- just one -- and we'll talk. DAMN, you're dumb. :|

Your statement: "Newer SUVs have stability control and anti-roll features that make them as difficult to rollover as a normal car."

Yet, MORE than half of the "normal cars" have a 5 STAR rating. Not one of the Suv's does.

What about THAT FACT can't you absorb????
You . . . are . . . simply . . . WRONG.

You got caught in a stupidly wrong statement, and you are repeatedly proving yourself either not bright enough or not honest enough to admit it.

You are the living, breathing definition of a TROLL.

You are a strange one. Very angry too.

 

[oznerol]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Please explain how SUVs with anti-roll technology can receive the same rating as a passenger car yet be prone to roll-over more?

Show me one SUV with a five star rating -- just one -- and we'll talk. DAMN, you're dumb. :|

Your statement: "Newer SUVs have stability control and anti-roll features that make them as difficult to rollover as a normal car."

Yet, MORE than half of the "normal cars" have a 5 STAR rating. Not one of the Suv's does.

What about THAT FACT can't you absorb????
You . . . are . . . simply . . . WRONG.

You got caught in a stupidly wrong statement, and you are repeatedly proving yourself either not bright enough or not honest enough to admit it.

You are the living, breathing definition of a TROLL.

You are a strange one. Very angry too.

I agree. I especially dislike the apparent need to constantly and directly insult people.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Please explain how SUVs with anti-roll technology can receive the same rating as a passenger car yet be prone to roll-over more?

Show me one SUV with a five star rating -- just one -- and we'll talk. DAMN, you're dumb. :|

Your statement: "Newer SUVs have stability control and anti-roll features that make them as difficult to rollover as a normal car."

Yet, MORE than half of the "normal cars" have a 5 STAR rating. Not one of the Suv's does.

What about THAT FACT can't you absorb????
You . . . are . . . simply . . . WRONG.

You got caught in a stupidly wrong statement, and you are repeatedly proving yourself either not bright enough or not honest enough to admit it.

You are the living, breathing definition of a TROLL.

If you take 2008, the vast majority of passenger cars have 4 star ratings. Nice job of creating a sample size that fits your opinion. So, in reality a normal car would have a 4 star rating. SUVs with anti-roll technology have 4 star ratings. My statement is correct.

Quit making stupid remarks, generalizing things. You really come off like a stupid troll.

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Please explain how SUVs with anti-roll technology can receive the same rating as a passenger car yet be prone to roll-over more?

Show me one SUV with a five star rating -- just one -- and we'll talk. DAMN, you're dumb. :|

Your statement: "Newer SUVs have stability control and anti-roll features that make them as difficult to rollover as a normal car."

Yet, MORE than half of the "normal cars" have a 5 STAR rating. Not one of the Suv's does.

What about THAT FACT can't you absorb????
You . . . are . . . simply . . . WRONG.

You got caught in a stupidly wrong statement, and you are repeatedly proving yourself either not bright enough or not honest enough to admit it.

You are the living, breathing definition of a TROLL.

If you take 2008, the vast majority of passenger cars have 4 star ratings. Nice job of creating a sample size that fits your opinion. So, in reality a normal car would have a 4 star rating. SUVs with anti-roll technology have 4 star ratings. My statement is correct.

Quit making stupid remarks, generalizing things. You really come off like a stupid troll.

I think what he's trying to say is that cars more often receive higher rollover ratings than SUV's.

Most cars have a 4, a good chunk of cars have a 5.

SUV's on the other hand need a bunch of anti-rollover tech to acheive a 4, and none have a 5.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
If you take 2008, the vast majority of passenger cars have 4 star ratings. Nice job of creating a sample size that fits your opinion. So, in reality a normal car would have a 4 star rating. SUVs with anti-roll technology have 4 star ratings. My statement is correct.

Quit making stupid remarks, generalizing things. You really come off like a stupid troll.

I took the set of ALL passenger cars, you are the one who just tried, but failed, to "create a sample size that fits your opinion."

Even taking your sample, the set of all passenger cars produced in 2008 yields nothing lower than a 4 star rating, and a significant percentage with a 5 star rating, which means it is SUPERIOR as a set in rollover rating to the whatever set of SUV's with rollover prevention technology you care to present, since NONE of them achieve a 5 star rating.

What about this do you really not understand???????????????????

Again, your statement, "Newer SUVs have stability control and anti-roll features that make them as difficult to rollover as a normal car." is proven WRONG by the facts, even as narrowed down by you.

Below, I'll make this just as simple for you as I possibly can:

Set of 4 and 5 star ratings > Set of 4 star ratings.

See?

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: TruePaige
I think what he's trying to say is that cars more often receive higher rollover ratings than SUV's.

Most cars have a 4, a good chunk of cars have a 5.

SUV's on the other hand need a bunch of anti-rollover tech to acheive a 4, and none have a 5.

DING DING DING, we have a winner!

Thank-you! :thumbsup:



Edit: Do you think Caveman can't understand this, or simply won't admit this?

 

[Throckmorton]

I just bought a Cherokee. http://farm4.static.flickr.com...823428_b07a26ffa5.jpg?

It's going to make one hell of an offroad vehicle and mileage doesn't matter because this is the last job I'll ever commute to. Stock, they still get 18/22, not much worse than a midsize sedan. And it weighs a little over 3000lbs thanks to the unibody, and has two solid axles. So it's better in every way than the current crop of car based SUVs.

 

[vi edit]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: TruePaige
I think what he's trying to say is that cars more often receive higher rollover ratings than SUV's.

Most cars have a 4, a good chunk of cars have a 5.

SUV's on the other hand need a bunch of anti-rollover tech to acheive a 4, and none have a 5.

DING DING DING, we have a winner!

Thank-you! :thumbsup:

Edit: Do you think Caveman can't understand this, or simply won't admit this?

Then you need to admit that technology does help out and can mitigate some elements of physics when you compare pre-stability control models to those with it. A 4 star SUV isn't the tipsy topsy floaty death machine that it's demonized as in this thread.