The SUV is dead. Long live the SUV.

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PopMech story on upcoming hybrid and alternative fuel SUVs.

The sunny days of the soccer mom are gone. Fact is, America's four-wheel-drive SUVs were done with their full-time duties as combination family-haulers, mall rovers and (my personal favorite) mobile storage units on the same day that gas anchored itself at four bucks a gallon. Sales of full-size SUVs are off by double digits for just about every consecutive month this year. In April, sales of these mastodons of the macadam plummeted by a whopping 32 percent. And the trend doesn't appear to be rebounding?even Detroit admits that.

Sorry, folks, but the SUV is dead ... as we know it. But all is not lost for lovers of these big, honkin', truck-bodied sport utility vehicles. What? You say the SUV can actually make a comeback? I think so, as long as they're not actually big, honkin' or truck-bodied. No, the keys to the next generation of American SUVs will be advancements in powertrains and severe weight trimming that could actually save fuel and boost economy.

And let's be clear here: The current crop of SUVs, like pickup trucks, will still exist in this new world of high gas prices. But instead of the nouveau yuppies fueling abnormally high sales, we'll see trucks reprise their role as a niche market, just like it was in the 1970s and early 80s. Pickup trucks will once again be the domain of good ol' country farming folks?those that really do need to tow, and guys that wear tool belts more often than ties. SUVs will serve as the primary mode of transportation for forest rangers, hardcore off-road enthusiasts and, of course, politicians. These burdensome beasts will become less like the four-wheeled equivalent of a Prada purse and more like the utility vehicles they were always supposed to be. And, man, is it about time.

But that's in the near-term.

The future still holds the promise that the once-great SUV will again rise to prominence, at least if we're willing to believe the concepts we've seen out of the automakers' design studios. Now these won't be the Chevy Suburbans, Ford Expeditions and Toyota Sequoias we've been used to for the past decade or so. Oh no, these things will definitely need to get much smaller. For starters, at this year's Detroit auto show the Jeep Renegade concept got a bunch of play from the media. It's an SUV to be sure, but this B-segment (that's the Mini Cooper?size) rock crawler is powered?in concept at least?by a 40-mile-range lithium-ion battery pack tied to two electric 268-hp motors. When that's not enough, it'll have a punchy little 1.5-liter, three-cylinder diesel engine capable of providing an additional 115 horses. Combine the two powertrains, and Chrysler's new electric braintrust claims an estimated 110 mpg?not too shabby for an SUV.

Speaking of Mini-sizing the SUV, Chrysler's not the only automaker out there dreaming big by thinking small. Mini itself will be getting into the act. We're told we might see an off-road version of the venerable built-by-BMW brand revealed sometime this year. Spy photographers and other sources we've heard from are calling it the Mini Crossman. And if the spy photos are on point, this pint-size utility vehicle could literally become the new definition of "cute ute." We haven't yet heard specifics on the powerplant?or whether it'll be built with aluminum, carbon fiber or even adamantium to reduce weight. But if the fuel economy numbers look anything like the traditional Cooper, the Mini SUV will be a sight for sore wallets at the gas pump.

The General claims to have some tricks up its sleeve, too: Witness the Cadillac Provoq that debuted at the Consumer Electronics Show in January. It's an awd concept built on the E-Flex platform?the same one underpinning the Chevy Volt. But unlike the Volt's gas/electric motor, the Provoq is supposed to?in concept, of course?run for 280 miles on a single fill-up of hydrogen, plus an extra 20 miles thanks to the plug-in battery power. And Cadillac kindly provides solar panels on the roof to help power the onboard accessories. The Provoq may not be after the hilltopper set like the Renegade or the Halo-esque Hummer HX, but with the Caddy badge and bling up front, it could be a hit with the highly coveted "urban rapper millionaire" demographic looking to turn in their Navigators, Mark LTs and Escalades.

So while Detroit may be scaling back on the big, hulking, gas-burning SUV for now, let's not put the nail in the coffin just yet. If we're to believe automaker speak at its conceptual finest, the future might yet allow those who enjoy hitting the unpaved road to keep on Jeepin' on. For those of us just looking for more space to throw our junk, we might be better off spending the extra dough at the local rent-a-unit. Of course, storage space could get cheap if someone figures out how to recycle all those SUVs on the used car lot into something a bit more practical than the wasteland of the Great Fuel Crunch of '08.

I'm not sure if it would be correct to call a slightly larger mini a SUV. The Cadillac Provoq looks more like one of those 'cross-over' vehicles (ie station wagon) and the Jeep Renegade looks more like a dune buggy. That Hummer HX does look like a SUV though and pretty sweet at that.
 

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i like how station wagons never really died, they just got bigger.
 

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As a truck and SUV fan, all I can say is "About time". Now maybe trucks and SUVs can get back to being trucks and SUVs rather than mobile living rooms.
 

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Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Since I drive less than 5k miles a year, I'll stick with my QX4.

My parents are doing the same, though their next one has to get more than 20mpg. Either hybrid RX or diesel jeep.
 

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
i like how station wagons never really died, they just got bigger.
In their basic concept, I think station wagons are great, mileage/weight isn't much different than the sedan (relative to sedan vs. SUV), and they have decent space to store things. It's too bad that many of them built up a lot of fat and just about became SUV's with a different body and lower ride height.
 

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Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
As a truck and SUV fan, all I can say is "About time". Now maybe trucks and SUVs can get back to being trucks and SUVs rather than mobile living rooms.

Indeed and then we would see less women driving them! Truck based SUV's were good because they werent so popular and the people who drove them knew what they were doing.

Now its more like "woah im high up but im not in a minivan!" people. Mostly trying to escape the minivans

Hell I even miss truckbased minivans
 

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People are going to have really sort our their needs from wants when it comes to new car buying. Between gas prices, higher living costs in many other parts of our lives, and tighter lending rates, we're going to have downsize a lot of our "wants" to afford our needs.

 

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I thought it was funny when my friends brother insisted on buying a tahoe because he thought a minivan was to dorky for him. As if when hauling 3 kids around keeping any pretenses of being the cool smooth guy are necessary or possible. You are a dad, so what if you're driving a dad vehicle?
 

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Originally posted by: PingSpike
I thought it was funny when my friends brother insisted on buying a tahoe because he thought a minivan was to dorky for him. As if when hauling 3 kids around keeping any pretenses of being the cool smooth guy are necessary or possible. You are a dad, so what if you're driving a dad vehicle?

With all of the features in my father-in-law's Town & Country, I'd buy one in a second.
 

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Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: PingSpike
I thought it was funny when my friends brother insisted on buying a tahoe because he thought a minivan was to dorky for him. As if when hauling 3 kids around keeping any pretenses of being the cool smooth guy are necessary or possible. You are a dad, so what if you're driving a dad vehicle?

With all of the features in my father-in-law's Town & Country, I'd buy one in a second.

I drive my Dodge Grand Caravan with pride. :p I turned in my man-card (Mustang) for a dad-card.
 

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Old news?

I'm not sure if it would be correct to call a slightly larger mini a SUV.
Strictly speaking, "SUV" is a size-neutral term, but I suppose it's associated with BIG.

What's worse--An SUV with bad gas mileage or a totally impractical sports car with bad gas mileage? I'm tired of my sedan and want to buy a Miata, but don't want to feel guilty :p
 

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Originally posted by: Mermaidman
Old news?

Possibly. But, I thought with so many posts here celebrating the death of the SUV, this article was topical. The SUV will still be around in the future. It will just be more fuel-efficient and not quite as big.

 

Demon-Xanth

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Originally posted by: Mermaidman
Old news?

I'm not sure if it would be correct to call a slightly larger mini a SUV.
Strictly speaking, "SUV" is a size-neutral term, but I suppose it's associated with BIG.

What's worse--An SUV with bad gas mileage or a totally impractical sports car with bad gas mileage? I'm tired of my sedan and want to buy a Miata, but don't want to feel guilty :p

Miata's really don't have bad gas mileage. It's not that great for their size, but a great mileage SUV is usually worse than a Miata.

...Miatas can usually use the 3 person car pool lanes with just two people as well. :)
 

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Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: PingSpike
I thought it was funny when my friends brother insisted on buying a tahoe because he thought a minivan was to dorky for him. As if when hauling 3 kids around keeping any pretenses of being the cool smooth guy are necessary or possible. You are a dad, so what if you're driving a dad vehicle?

With all of the features in my father-in-law's Town & Country, I'd buy one in a second.

I drive my Dodge Grand Caravan with pride. :p I turned in my man-card (Mustang) for a dad-card.

Another proud member of the "Dad Van" group. My wife was actually in tears when she realized that she wasn't going to win that argument and I was going forward with the van purchase. She has this deep rooted hate for minivans and Volvo wagons.

Oh well. I'm sporting some Zoom Zoom with my Mazda5 :p

It took her a day of loading a carseat in and out to realize that sliding doors aren't so bad.
 

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Originally posted by: vi edit
Another proud member of the "Dad Van" group. My wife was actually in tears when she realized that she wasn't going to win that argument and I was going forward with the van purchase. She has this deep rooted hate for minivans and Volvo wagons.

Oh well. I'm sporting some Zoom Zoom with my Mazda5 :p

It took her a day of loading a carseat in and out to realize that sliding doors aren't so bad.

My wife was the same. She thought mini-vans were uncool. Then when we started riding around in my mom's Town & Country she started to like minivans.

When our second child was coming, I made the decision that my Mustang was impractical with two kids and my wife's '95 Pathfinder didn't have enough room for family trips. I found a used Grand Caravan in great condition and low mileage for a steal. My wife doesn't know how she'd live without it.
 

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Originally posted by: Queasy
My wife doesn't know how she'd live without it.

Ugh, I'd let her drive it. We have one kid now, and won't have more than two. They would both easily fit in my crew cab so it stays! :p
 

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Originally posted by: vi edit
Another proud member of the "Dad Van" group. My wife was actually in tears when she realized that she wasn't going to win that argument and I was going forward with the van purchase. She has this deep rooted hate for minivans and Volvo wagons.

Oh well. I'm sporting some Zoom Zoom with my Mazda5 :p

It took her a day of loading a carseat in and out to realize that sliding doors aren't so bad.

your mistake was calling it a minivan
 

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People are going to throw titty fits left and right when they read about the safety records for these new and improved SUVs. One of the cornerstones of their strategy is to really reduce the weight of the vehicle. The weight of the vehicle is one of the main reasons why a car has a good safety record. Hopefully they will find new ways to work around that challenge, but if they do not then don't be surprised if they are able to be crushed like tin cans.
 

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: vi edit
Another proud member of the "Dad Van" group. My wife was actually in tears when she realized that she wasn't going to win that argument and I was going forward with the van purchase. She has this deep rooted hate for minivans and Volvo wagons.

Oh well. I'm sporting some Zoom Zoom with my Mazda5 :p

It took her a day of loading a carseat in and out to realize that sliding doors aren't so bad.

your mistake was calling it a minivan

It's a vehicle with an identitiy crisis. It's *technically* classified as a wagon. But it has sliding doors. Sliding doors equal = minivan in the wife's eyes.

 

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Originally posted by: Xavier434
People are going to throw titty fits left and right when they read about the safety records for these new and improved SUVs. One of the cornerstones of their strategy is to really reduce the weight of the vehicle. The weight of the vehicle is one of the main reasons why a car has a good safety record. Hopefully they will find new ways to work around that challenge, but if they do not then don't be surprised if they are able to be crushed like tin cans.

All vehicles, not just SUVs, are moving in that direction though. CAFE standards almost make it a requirement.
 

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Originally posted by: Xavier434
People are going to throw titty fits left and right when they read about the safety records for these new and improved SUVs. One of the cornerstones of their strategy is to really reduce the weight of the vehicle. The weight of the vehicle is one of the main reasons why a car has a good safety record. Hopefully they will find new ways to work around that challenge, but if they do not then don't be surprised if they are able to be crushed like tin cans.
I don't know about the safety records but I'd love to see a titty fit.