The State of U.S. Manufacturing

[A5]

If there was 0 unemployment, we'd have runaway inflation, which would make things suck for everybody. Just a thought.

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: A5
If there was 0 unemployment, we'd have runaway inflation, which would make things suck for everybody. Just a thought.

Oh really?

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: A5
If there was 0 unemployment, we'd have runaway inflation, which would make things suck for everybody. Just a thought.

Oh really?

I think that data point is just missing, rather than 0%.

 

[ReiAyanami]

ok, so my question is, why can't $100 nike sneakers be made in the US? would making them here make them cost $200? (no)

or is it the soft low quality touch of child labor that top nike executives can't resist.

even at $200, that won't stop the brain-washed bling blingers from buying 'em.
and no, they'd still sell $100 or more precisely $105-110/pair.

 

[Sahakiel]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Sahakiel
Hm... interesting scenario :

If all of a sudden outsourcing became a big enough issue consumers bought goods only manufactured in America, then it's obvious our beloved faceless corporations be forced to do away with outsourcing to foreign shores. While it may be nice in the short run to suddenly have all these jobs open up, I don't think it would take long for those new jobs to be replaced by newly developed robots specifically designed to replace said workers. At that point, we're back to square one except that the US economy loses its position as a global economic power.

I go to work every day to help increase productivity(and maintain them too in various areas of industry. People used to husk corn by hand. Pioneer(now Dupont), Garst, and the others now have automated husking machines that can be controlled by one person. In one plant I helped design, program and actually built the panels for the controls for 6 of the huskers(they'll totally automate the other side next year) so that one person can control them from one station instead of having to manually start/stop each one. Should these companies not make these sorts of advances and go back to manually husking corn? More people would be employed in "manufacturing"- no?
Robots and the productivity they gain us creates other jobs...like mine I would rather sit behind a computer and be a designer than husking corn by hand - how about you?
Also, people used to have to manual pick products and load pallets of food stuffs but now at one plant we do work for it's almost all automated. Would you rather stack boxes or sit at the controls? I know what I'd choose(because I used to stack pallets by hand)

The simple fact is that it takes less people to produce the same amount of product anymore. But it has created MANY jobs(such as mine) to replace those "manufacturing" jobs.

CkG

I think you're preaching to the choir....

Originally posted by: ReiAyanami
ok, so my question is, why can't $100 nike sneakers be made in the US? would making them here make them cost $200? (no)

or is it the soft low quality touch of child labor that top nike executives can't resist.

even at $200, that won't stop the brain-washed bling blingers from buying 'em.
and no, they'd still sell $100 or more precisely $105-110/pair.

Why, yes, it would take somewhere around $200 per pair or more to produce said sneakers let alone tacking on profit margin. Your scenario implies that labor is a significant cost of producing said sneakers which would be the primary reason Nike would outsource to a foreign country. Labor costs in the United States is more expensive than other poorer nations thanks to minimum wage laws and unions. Corporations don't outsource simply for the fun of it. Outsourcing is done in the hopes of lowering costs and usually the cost reduction is large in order to compensate for errors in calculation.
Logically, assuming outsourcing became illegal, the effort to cut costs would lead to increased automation when possible leading to layoffs of workers whose skills are no longer needed. In fact, when automation has a lower TCO than outsourcing, corporations will use machines instead of human labor, anyway. In the long run, we'd end up back at the original problem isolationists whine about which is higher unemployment among unskilled workers.

If said shoes were priced at $200 with no change in any other factor, the most probable outcome would be a reduction in sales with a more than likely reduction in overall profit. This is literally elementary economics.

Think about this scenario: A worker loses his job to overseas outsourcing. He can protest and draw attention to his sudden loss of $6.25/hour minimum wage, or he can get training for a more skilled job and see about getting hired for $10/hour on average. Meanwhile, the corporation which outsourced pays ~$2/hour after factoring in shipping costs and can now offer lower prices (let's say %25 lower) without operating in the red. Looking at another Joe who lost his job at another company, he now gets paid more for more skilled work after undergoing training. He can now afford to buy two to three times as much product as before thanks to a combination of higher wages and lower prices.
If you wish, you can throw in automation instead of outsourcing. The results are similar assuming the cost reductions are similar.

 

[Sahakiel]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: A5
If there was 0 unemployment, we'd have runaway inflation, which would make things suck for everybody. Just a thought.

Oh really?

I think that data point is just missing, rather than 0%.

If it were true, then this would just about explain it. -

In anticipation of the exhaustion of Nauru's phosphate deposits, substantial amounts of phosphate income have been invested in trust funds to help cushion the transition and provide for Nauru's economic future. The government has been borrowing heavily from the trusts to finance fiscal deficits. To cut costs the government has called for a freeze on wages, a reduction of over-staffed public service departments, privatization of numerous government agencies, and closure of some overseas consulates. In recent years Nauru has encouraged the registration of offshore banks and corporations. Tens of billions of dollars have been channeled through their accounts. Few comprehensive statistics on the Nauru economy exist, with estimates of Nauru's GDP varying widely.

 

[soundforbjt]

Think about this scenario: A worker loses his job to overseas outsourcing. He can protest and draw attention to his sudden loss of $6.25/hour minimum wage, or he can get training for a more skilled job and see about getting hired for $10/hour on average. Meanwhile, the corporation which outsourced pays ~$2/hour after factoring in shipping costs and can now offer lower prices (let's say %25 lower) without operating in the red. Looking at another Joe who lost his job at another company, he now gets paid more for more skilled work after undergoing training. He can now afford to buy two to three times as much product as before thanks to a combination of higher wages and lower prices.
If you wish, you can throw in automation instead of outsourcing. The results are similar assuming the cost reductions are similar.

In a perfect world yes, But do you think now (for example) that Levi jeans are no longer being made here that the price will drop? My guess will be NO.

 

[Sahakiel]

Originally posted by: soundforbjt
In a perfect world yes, But do you think now (for example) that Levi jeans are no longer being made here that the price will drop? My guess will be NO.

I agree, it's more than probable Levi's has enough brand name recognition to maintain higher prices. However, that does not preclude the possibility that Levi's can benefit from outsourcing and such an act would benefit the economy as a whole. Levi's gains higher profits due to drastically decreased costs whereas the workers are freed to work in other areas of the economy (another company or another industry, even) further increasing the economic output of the nation as a whole.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by:Sahakiel

Think about this scenario: A worker loses his job to overseas outsourcing. He can protest and draw attention to his sudden loss of $6.25/hour minimum wage, or he can get training for a more skilled job and see about getting hired for $10/hour on average. Meanwhile, the corporation which outsourced pays ~$2/hour after factoring in shipping costs and can now offer lower prices (let's say %25 lower) without operating in the red. Looking at another Joe who lost his job at another company, he now gets paid more for more skilled work after undergoing training. He can now afford to buy two to three times as much product as before thanks to a combination of higher wages and lower prices.
If you wish, you can throw in automation instead of outsourcing. The results are similar assuming the cost reductions are similar.

110% pure rubbish. What an outright insult to the American people. Bush is that you or one of his minions? :|

"He can protest and draw attention to his sudden loss of $6.25/hour minimum wage, or he can get training for a more skilled job and see about getting hired for $10/hour on average."

First of all you have it backwards. People are going from $10+ jobs to $6.25 jobs at Walmart.

"he now gets paid more for more skilled work after undergoing training."

That's you're re-training, how to stock the shelves at Walmat?

"He can now afford to buy two to three times as much product as before thanks to a combination of higher wages and lower prices."

Yeah sure, that new highest wage ever at $6.25hr is going to a long way.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Sahakiel

Originally posted by: soundforbjt
In a perfect world yes, But do you think now (for example) that Levi jeans are no longer being made here that the price will drop? My guess will be NO.

I agree, it's more than probable Levi's has enough brand name recognition to maintain higher prices. However, that does not preclude the possibility that Levi's can benefit from outsourcing and such an act would benefit the economy as a whole. Levi's gains higher profits due to drastically decreased costs whereas the workers are freed to work in other areas of the economy (another company or another industry, even) further increasing the economic output of the nation as a whole.

"However, that does not preclude the possibility that Levi's can benefit from outsourcing."

Oh they're benefitting alright. Higher profits than ever taking advantage of American Corporate Tax breaks while actually operating as a Foreign Company. Let's see how they do without the Tax breaks and have to operate like any other Foreign Company and have to pay for import like they're REAL Foreign Company Competition has to.

"whereas the workers are freed to work in other areas of the economy (another company or another industry, even) further increasing the economic output of the nation as a whole"

Let's hear specifics. Bush, Rush, Hannity, Coulter, CAD & Co along with you spewing the same crap with no Teeth. Let's hear exactly what "Re-Training" you're talking about and exactly what NEW jobs they will fill to "Increase the Economic Output of the Nation as a whole."

.....Crickets, that's what I thought

 

[etech]

Well Dave, Let's see what Kerry's great plan is to solve the problem you described.

yahoo

"..Kerry frequently tells audiences that no president can stop companies from leaving the country, the Massachusetts senator said he will require companies that ship jobs offshore to disclose their plans to the government.


"Companies will no longer be able to surprise their workers with a pink slip instead of a paycheck ? they will be required to give workers three months notice if their jobs are being exported offshore," Kerry said in a speech prepared for delivery Wednesday in Toledo"



Wow, three months notice, that's going to help.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: etech
Well Dave, Let's see what Kerry's great plan is to solve the problem you described.

yahoo

"..Kerry frequently tells audiences that no president can stop companies from leaving the country, the Massachusetts senator said he will require companies that ship jobs offshore to disclose their plans to the government.

"Companies will no longer be able to surprise their workers with a pink slip instead of a paycheck ? they will be required to give workers three months notice if their jobs are being exported offshore," Kerry said in a speech prepared for delivery Wednesday in Toledo"

Wow, three months notice, that's going to help.

Disclosure and more information of what so-called "American" Companies are doing is a bad thing?

Of course you would rather have all the money and Politicing kept behind closed Foreign doors at the expense of the American General Public.

That's OK, there is only so long and so much that can continue to happen until people wake up and realize, "Oh we're a Third World Country now", isn't that special.

There is a bright side, Terrorists wouldn't have much enthusiasm to "Target" a third world Country now would they?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

I see dave hasn't taken his meds yet this morning.

So if you think "re-training" is a sham - what is YOUR idea then? I don't want to hear what you don't like or don't want to see - I want to hear why your idea is so good.

...crickets?

CkG

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
I see dave hasn't taken his meds yet this morning.

So if you think "re-training" is a sham - what is YOUR idea then? I don't want to hear what you don't like or don't want to see - I want to hear why your idea is so good.

...crickets?

CkG

I'm all for this "Re-training", let's hear exactly what we are to "Re-Train" for.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
I see dave hasn't taken his meds yet this morning.

So if you think "re-training" is a sham - what is YOUR idea then? I don't want to hear what you don't like or don't want to see - I want to hear why your idea is so good.

...crickets?

CkG

I'm all for this "Re-training", let's hear exactly what we are to "Re-Train" for.

maybe for different JOBS? You know - the place you show up to do work in exchange for money. There are plenty of in demand skill sets - pick one and go.
Yes there are details that need to be worked out on how small of program this should be or if we should just use tax credits to encourage re-training.
The issue isn't what people train for -the issue is how much the gov't should be responsible for.(the less the better IMO)

CkG

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
I see dave hasn't taken his meds yet this morning.

So if you think "re-training" is a sham - what is YOUR idea then? I don't want to hear what you don't like or don't want to see - I want to hear why your idea is so good.

...crickets?

CkG

I'm all for this "Re-training", let's hear exactly what we are to "Re-Train" for.

maybe for different JOBS? You know - the place you show up to do work in exchange for money. There are plenty of in demand skill sets - pick one and go.
Yes there are details that need to be worked out on how small of program this should be or if we should just use tax credits to encourage re-training.
The issue isn't what people train for -the issue is how much the gov't should be responsible for.(the less the better IMO)

CkG

"maybe for different JOBS?"

There are at least 3 million needing jobs according to your beloved BLS numbers. What specific jobs do these people "Re-Train" for? It should NOT be too hard of a question to answer now should it? Then why can't YOU, Rush, Hannity, Coulter, the rest of your Co on here and The President say what jobs specifically?

Look, you and Bush cannot and will not get away with spewing this nonsense without specifics any longer. The gig is up, the brainwashing is done, fini.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
I see dave hasn't taken his meds yet this morning.

So if you think "re-training" is a sham - what is YOUR idea then? I don't want to hear what you don't like or don't want to see - I want to hear why your idea is so good.

...crickets?

CkG

I'm all for this "Re-training", let's hear exactly what we are to "Re-Train" for.

maybe for different JOBS? You know - the place you show up to do work in exchange for money. There are plenty of in demand skill sets - pick one and go.
Yes there are details that need to be worked out on how small of program this should be or if we should just use tax credits to encourage re-training.
The issue isn't what people train for -the issue is how much the gov't should be responsible for.(the less the better IMO)

CkG

"maybe for different JOBS?"

There are at least 3 million needing jobs according to your beloved BLS numbers. What specific jobs do these people "Re-Train" for? It should NOT be too hard of a question to answer now should it? Then why can't YOU, Rush, Hannity, Coulter, the rest of your Co on here and The President say what jobs specifically?

Look, you and Bush cannot and will not get away with spewing this nonsense without specifics any longer. The gig is up, the brainwashing is done, fini.

Are you really that dense? Do you really want the Feds to tell you what job you will retrain for? There are plenty of "in demand" skills. Pick one.

CkG

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
"It is important to remember that much of the change in industrial employment is an effect of changes in the classification of various jobs."

Yep all those Burger Flippers fault, that's why they had to "re-classify" them back into Manufacturing.

Well I guess you did not read the entire article

In short, U.S. manufacturing is very healthy. There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that we are becoming a nation of "hamburger flippers." The United States is producing more "things" than we have in almost every year for which we have data.

True, you're right, there's more Walmart's popping up on every corner so it's all those Stock Boy jobs.

Too bad they don't pay people for posting on message boards, eh?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
I see dave hasn't taken his meds yet this morning.

So if you think "re-training" is a sham - what is YOUR idea then? I don't want to hear what you don't like or don't want to see - I want to hear why your idea is so good.

...crickets?

CkG

I'm all for this "Re-training", let's hear exactly what we are to "Re-Train" for.

maybe for different JOBS? You know - the place you show up to do work in exchange for money. There are plenty of in demand skill sets - pick one and go.
Yes there are details that need to be worked out on how small of program this should be or if we should just use tax credits to encourage re-training.
The issue isn't what people train for -the issue is how much the gov't should be responsible for.(the less the better IMO)

CkG

"maybe for different JOBS?"

There are at least 3 million needing jobs according to your beloved BLS numbers. What specific jobs do these people "Re-Train" for? It should NOT be too hard of a question to answer now should it? Then why can't YOU, Rush, Hannity, Coulter, the rest of your Co on here and The President say what jobs specifically?

Look, you and Bush cannot and will not get away with spewing this nonsense without specifics any longer. The gig is up, the brainwashing is done, fini.

Are you really that dense? Do you really want the Feds to tell you what job you will retrain for? There are plenty of "in demand" skills. Pick one.

CkG

No one is asking for a pick like the India Caste system. Let's hear what the "In Demand" skills are. If everyone knew what this demand is then there shouldn't be 3 Million people looking for work and certainly the jobs would be out there for the filling, correct?

I don't see no 3 million Help Wanted Ads, do you???

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
I see dave hasn't taken his meds yet this morning.

So if you think "re-training" is a sham - what is YOUR idea then? I don't want to hear what you don't like or don't want to see - I want to hear why your idea is so good.

...crickets?

CkG

I'm all for this "Re-training", let's hear exactly what we are to "Re-Train" for.

maybe for different JOBS? You know - the place you show up to do work in exchange for money. There are plenty of in demand skill sets - pick one and go.
Yes there are details that need to be worked out on how small of program this should be or if we should just use tax credits to encourage re-training.
The issue isn't what people train for -the issue is how much the gov't should be responsible for.(the less the better IMO)

CkG

"maybe for different JOBS?"

There are at least 3 million needing jobs according to your beloved BLS numbers. What specific jobs do these people "Re-Train" for? It should NOT be too hard of a question to answer now should it? Then why can't YOU, Rush, Hannity, Coulter, the rest of your Co on here and The President say what jobs specifically?

Look, you and Bush cannot and will not get away with spewing this nonsense without specifics any longer. The gig is up, the brainwashing is done, fini.

Are you really that dense? Do you really want the Feds to tell you what job you will retrain for? There are plenty of "in demand" skills. Pick one.

CkG

No one is asking for a pick like the India Caste system. Let's hear what the "In Demand" skills are. If everyone knew what this demand is then there shouldn't be 3 Million people looking for work and certainly the jobs would be out there for the filling, correct?

I don't see no 3 million Help Wanted Ads, do you???

start here.
Then look up and see the sky is still there.

CkG

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
I see dave hasn't taken his meds yet this morning.

So if you think "re-training" is a sham - what is YOUR idea then? I don't want to hear what you don't like or don't want to see - I want to hear why your idea is so good.

...crickets?

CkG

I'm all for this "Re-training", let's hear exactly what we are to "Re-Train" for.

maybe for different JOBS? You know - the place you show up to do work in exchange for money. There are plenty of in demand skill sets - pick one and go.
Yes there are details that need to be worked out on how small of program this should be or if we should just use tax credits to encourage re-training.
The issue isn't what people train for -the issue is how much the gov't should be responsible for.(the less the better IMO)

CkG

"maybe for different JOBS?"

There are at least 3 million needing jobs according to your beloved BLS numbers. What specific jobs do these people "Re-Train" for? It should NOT be too hard of a question to answer now should it? Then why can't YOU, Rush, Hannity, Coulter, the rest of your Co on here and The President say what jobs specifically?

Look, you and Bush cannot and will not get away with spewing this nonsense without specifics any longer. The gig is up, the brainwashing is done, fini.

Are you really that dense? Do you really want the Feds to tell you what job you will retrain for? There are plenty of "in demand" skills. Pick one.

CkG

No one is asking for a pick like the India Caste system. Let's hear what the "In Demand" skills are. If everyone knew what this demand is then there shouldn't be 3 Million people looking for work and certainly the jobs would be out there for the filling, correct?

I don't see no 3 million Help Wanted Ads, do you???

start here.
Then look up and see the sky is still there.

CkG

From your old January psot which I posted back then too:

Georgia's unemployment rate fell to 4 percent last month as the number of jobs increased for the fifth straight month, the state Labor Department said Friday.

The work force also decreased, which the department said was unusual as historically the state has an increase in jobs between November and December because of holiday hiring.

The modest 200-job, increase also contradicted historical trends because holiday hiring typically leads to a large increase in jobs.

In November, the unemployment rate was 4.1 percent.

"Weakness in the critical area of job creation continues to hamper our recovery," Labor Commissioner Michael Thurmond said in a statement.

He added that a higher job creation rate is needed to sustain a solid recovery and urged President Bush and Congress to extend unemployment benefits for many long-term jobless workers.

The seven metro areas of the state and their job changes from November to December are:

--Albany, down 100, or 0.2 percent, from 59,100 to 59,000.

--Athens, down 300, or 0.4 percent, from 74,800 to 74,500.

--Atlanta, down 2,700, 0.1 percent, from 2,252,500 to 2,249,800.

--Augusta, up 100, or 0.0 percent, from 200,100 to 200,200.

--Columbus, up 400, or 0.4 percent, from 114,200 to 114,600.

--Macon, up 500, or 0.3 percent, from 148,700 to 149,200.

--Savannah, up 400, or 0.3 percent, from 141,400 to 141,800.
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The only increase in jobs has been at the Walmart's going up every 5 miles apart.

Shouldn't take much "Re-training" for that.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
From your old January psot which I posted back then too:

Georgia's unemployment rate fell to 4 percent last month as the number of jobs increased for the fifth straight month, the state Labor Department said Friday.

The work force also decreased, which the department said was unusual as historically the state has an increase in jobs between November and December because of holiday hiring.

The modest 200-job, increase also contradicted historical trends because holiday hiring typically leads to a large increase in jobs.

In November, the unemployment rate was 4.1 percent.

"Weakness in the critical area of job creation continues to hamper our recovery," Labor Commissioner Michael Thurmond said in a statement.

He added that a higher job creation rate is needed to sustain a solid recovery and urged President Bush and Congress to extend unemployment benefits for many long-term jobless workers.

The seven metro areas of the state and their job changes from November to December are:

--Albany, down 100, or 0.2 percent, from 59,100 to 59,000.

--Athens, down 300, or 0.4 percent, from 74,800 to 74,500.

--Atlanta, down 2,700, 0.1 percent, from 2,252,500 to 2,249,800.

--Augusta, up 100, or 0.0 percent, from 200,100 to 200,200.

--Columbus, up 400, or 0.4 percent, from 114,200 to 114,600.

--Macon, up 500, or 0.3 percent, from 148,700 to 149,200.

--Savannah, up 400, or 0.3 percent, from 141,400 to 141,800.
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The only increase in jobs has been at the Walmart's going up every 5 miles apart.

Shouldn't take much "Re-training" for that.

Fixed your bolding for you.
And keep bleating your "walmart" BS thought...inspite of reality.

CkG

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
From your old January psot which I posted back then too:

Georgia's unemployment rate fell to 4 percent last month as the number of jobs increased for the fifth straight month, the state Labor Department said Friday.

The work force also decreased, which the department said was unusual as historically the state has an increase in jobs between November and December because of holiday hiring.

The modest 200-job, increase also contradicted historical trends because holiday hiring typically leads to a large increase in jobs.

In November, the unemployment rate was 4.1 percent.

"Weakness in the critical area of job creation continues to hamper our recovery," Labor Commissioner Michael Thurmond said in a statement.

He added that a higher job creation rate is needed to sustain a solid recovery and urged President Bush and Congress to extend unemployment benefits for many long-term jobless workers.

The seven metro areas of the state and their job changes from November to December are:

--Albany, down 100, or 0.2 percent, from 59,100 to 59,000.

--Athens, down 300, or 0.4 percent, from 74,800 to 74,500.

--Atlanta, down 2,700, 0.1 percent, from 2,252,500 to 2,249,800.

--Augusta, up 100, or 0.0 percent, from 200,100 to 200,200.

--Columbus, up 400, or 0.4 percent, from 114,200 to 114,600.

--Macon, up 500, or 0.3 percent, from 148,700 to 149,200.

--Savannah, up 400, or 0.3 percent, from 141,400 to 141,800.
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The only increase in jobs has been at the Walmart's going up every 5 miles apart.

Shouldn't take much "Re-training" for that.

Fixed your bolding for you.
And keep bleating your "walmart" BS thought...inspite of reality.

CkG

Fixed YOUR Bolding for you. How many people lost their jobs during that same period? I can tell you a lot more than the 200 jobs they posted as gained, thousands more more lost. I posted the Company announcements.

Why are they not in the numbers? Because thousands came off the Unmployment benefit roles and the Govt magically counts them as now working, how special.

Your selective process of irrelavent numbers no longer works to brainwash the American General Public.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

dave - why don't you spend your time trying to find EMPLOYMENT or making yourself marketable instead of working yourself in your frantic delusions. There ARE tons of jobs available - go find one or learn something new. It's called life.

Oh, and the numbers are sound. You can whine and complain all you'd like but that doesn't mean the numbers don't give a good representation of the employment situation.

CkG

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
dave - why don't you spend your time trying to find EMPLOYMENT or making yourself marketable instead of working yourself in your frantic delusions. There ARE tons of jobs available - go find one or learn something new. It's called life.

Oh, and the numbers are sound. You can whine and complain all you'd like but that doesn't mean the numbers don't give a good representation of the employment situation.

CkG

"There ARE tons of jobs available".

I'm the delusional??? If that was the case would we have 3 Million Americans out of work and can't find work?

Didn't think so.