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The State of U.S. Manufacturing
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C'mon Cad, you know better. There aren't a ton of jobs where people can surf the Internet all day while collecting large paychecks for doing nothing. Dave wants to be rich and thinks everyone is entitled to be rich, so unless the job says you're going to get rich, it will never be good enough.
dmcowen674
No Lifer
Hah, most of that on Monster is pure crap and most is scam "get rich schemes". Try clicking on some of them and see for yourself. This is the millions of jobs You and The President point to, what a Fing joke.
dmcowen674
No Lifer
Take away the "Get Rich schemes" and what do you have left??? 😕
Where do you live, should move there, there is only maybe 10 job listings tops on any given day here Northeast of Atlanta.
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
1. It has become quite obvious you lack the basic understanding of any economic theory nevermind which political party is pushing which particular flavor.
2. You seem so engrossed with this 3 million unemployed figure, yet you still can't answer the question posed before regarding fractional unemployment.
If you're referring to those cushy IT folk from the internet boom, that's not surprising considering the majority of those "technicians" literally knew how to pass a test and only that. Trained technicians who really do know what they're doing are still very much in demand. Unskilled folk who only know how to follow troubleshooting flowcharts (are you one of them?) are seeing their jobs outsourced to India where the same quality of work costs less.
If you're not referring to the IT layoffs from the internet boom, then you missed one point. Minimum wage jobs, as far as I can tell, have no skill requirement. Any healthy individual with somewhat of a high school education can work a $6.25/hour job no problem. However, your assertion rests on one assumption : those who lose their jobs don't look for higher paying work. If a worker is suddenly given a two weeks notice, the logical immediate result is the migration to a lower paying less-skilled job. You do what you have to do to insure some form of income. However, it's very likely said worker will also be looking for a higher paying job involving similar skills as the previous job at the same time. This is where your assertion is weakest. The problem with trying to find another job of the same type is that those jobs are the very ones which have been outsourced, thus reducing the overall need for more workers doing that same job. An intelligent individual would see that and enroll in a school to learn a new set of skills with which to find a new job while scraping by at the $6.25/hour job at Walmart. An idiot would continue working at Walmart, wonder why his old job isn't coming back, and complain about the general lack of employment to anybody that comes along. Hm... would you be one of the second type?
Hm... taken entirely out of context with your assumption that "re-training" is limited to the Walmart School of Employment. It is becoming apparent your thinking is rather limited in scope and you cannot think much farther than the walls of your local Walmart.
Once again, based upon your assumptions and none of my statements. If you're going to try to build a case for yourself, it seems you should learn to connect sentences with a common subject matter."He can now afford to buy two to three times as much product as before thanks to a combination of higher wages and lower prices."
Yeah sure, that new highest wage ever at $6.25hr is going to a long way.
Your assumption is that a company like Levi's or any other company which imports products produced in another country and sells it in the US domestic market is actually a foreign company. In that case, is a foreign company with manufacturing and assembly facilities in the United States a US company even though their home office is based in an entirely different continent?
You shouldn't shove crickets in your ears if you don't wish to hear them."whereas the workers are freed to work in other areas of the economy (another company or another industry, even) further increasing the economic output of the nation as a whole"
Let's hear specifics. Bush, Rush, Hannity, Coulter, CAD & Co along with you spewing the same crap with no Teeth. Let's hear exactly what "Re-Training" you're talking about and exactly what NEW jobs they will fill to "Increase the Economic Output of the Nation as a whole."
.....Crickets, that's what I thought
As for "re-training," it's not too hard to find many examples of individuals who are actively pursuing a new career. The most prominent example is your local university where many, if not the majority, of graduate students are those who have either lost jobs or simply desire a new career path. Many technical jobs are still available after the massive layoffs of thousands of technicians who knew little more than how to read a book. Many businesses are looking for new CEO's after years of losses and stagnant profits. As for the ultimate "re-training," thousands of schools across the country are looking for good teachers and many universities, especially state funded campuses, are looking for lecturers in order to deal with aging faculty and lowered budgets.
So you see, there are many jobs still available. They just require workers instead of couch potatoes.
dmcowen674
No Lifer
Amazing waste of typing. All those words about folks going back to local University to "pursue a new career" and spew that "there are many jobs still available" and you still don't say what those jobs are.
Can you prove there are jobs available other than the new Walmarts opening on every corner??? .....Crickets
PS: So much for all the Manufacturing Burger jobs, they're going to China too.
2-26-2004 McDonald's Makes Big Push Into China Ahead of 2012 Olympics
The Beijing Olympic sponsorship ties in with McDonald's aggressive growth plans in China, where it expects to expand its 580 current stores to more than 1,000 by the time of the Beijing games.
Just because you can't understand English doesn't mean sentences have no meaning. Perhaps you missed the section on "CEO's" and "teachers" and "technicians" which, quite frankly, are just as specific as your "Walmart stocking shelves" description.
Unfortunately, it seems to be quite a challenge trying to teach you anything. You seem to be of the type that won't listen and will stick to you guns without bothering to do any research. A simple search at Intel (one company) reveals a need for workers from Software Engineering to Hardware Engineering and the usual Integrated Circuit Engineering. A search at AMD listed much of the same and much more; 113 in engineering alone. Similarly, Cicso systems is looking for skilled technicians as well as sales, marketing, legal, human resources, customer service, and administration. Raytheon is looking for microwave technicians, software engineers, logistics and security specialists, managers, engineers in signals, EM, manufacturing, and more.
A quick tour at the local career fair last week showed a need for sales and marketing positions, embedded systems design, logic design, communications design, signal processor design, electrical systems design, microprocessor design, software engineers, medical systems design, medical systems testing and validation, even electronic warfare, weapons systems, maintainence, and sensor design. ALL those positions within reach of one field of specialty : microarchitecture design for a B.S. in Computer Engineering. One area of specialty for one degree yielded so many positions many of which are for local companies or national companies with local offices. There are several more specialties for a CE degree and there are far more degrees than CE. I'm sorry if you can't understand the concept, but I wouldn't be surprised given your limited focus on one company.
I have proven there are jobs available at companies other than Walmart, yet you seem to be ignoring the data. I just found well over a hundred job openings at one company alone. I found close to a thousand in less than five minutes simply by searching four companies.
The point is you are compaining and raging about the lack of jobs in anywhere but Walmart yet you don't even bother looking. If you cannot be bothered to look let alone "re-train" then it's quite obvious as to why you have a problem finding employment.
China has a population of 2 billion and growing. The Olympics is expected to draw thousands of visitors from other countries including the United States. Many of those foreigners will be in a strange land where the sight of a McDonald's would be the only familiar building they ever see. If you can't see the business strategy yet, I guess you can't understand name recognition.
I guess you missed the import of that one line.
It seems you missed the import of that entire section.
Oh, and once again, do you have any idea what fractional unemployment is?
dmcowen674
No Lifer
Again you didn't prove a thing other than some big Companies fullfilling their EEOE obligations and Tax Incentives for Posting Phoney Ads so they can write off the expense. If they were actually hiring those positions we wouldn't have millions and a large portion of those millions out of work.
It's pure bullcrap just like the Bogus Monster, Hot Jobs etc postings. All Fluff and nothing there.
Prove the jobs really exist and we wouldn't have millions out of work.
It's that simple.
Your rhetoric and spewing of garbage will not fool the American public especially those out of work again.
Try again.
Alright, then, let's do it your way :
Once again, you have proven nothing except you don't know fact from fiction. You can see only smoke and mirrors related to anything which counteracts your jihad against Walmart. You have proven nothing in the way of your assertion that those who lose jobs cannot find any new jobs in any field of work. You're all puff and hot air with no substance.
You rant and rave about "phoney wanted ads" by "large corporations who only want tax incentives" yet you can produce no evidence of such. You spout large figures of millions of unemployed workers yet you cannot define a simple concept such as fractional unemployment. In other words, you are spouting nonsense from an uneducated point of view. You cannot see beyond the walls of the well in which you have ensconced yourself. Your rhetorical smoke and mirror work will not fool an educated American public especially those who have been laid off or are recently graduated and are now enjoying the benefits of a new career.
dmcowen674
No Lifer
Wow, you just keep piling the crap deeper around you feet, you're going to need a shower big time.
"especially those who have been laid off or are recently graduated and are now enjoying the benefits of a new career."
You just continue to insult millions of Out of Work Americans, how pathetic is that, very sad 🙁
Wow, you must like China because you're digging your hole ever deeper. Pretty soon you're gonna hit the mantle on your way to the other side of the Earth.
Wow, you never cease to demonstrate your ignorance. Your repeated bypassing of defining fractional unemployment has only devalued your woeful cries of rising unemployment. It is truly sad and pathetic to see one such as you who knows nothing of economics attempt to argue with it.
dmcowen674
No Lifer
I haven't said boo about Economics, I don't give a Rats A$$ about your precious Economics and neither does at least 3 Million other Americans Out of Work. As far as they are all concerned I'm sure every one of them would like to take your Economics and take turns sticking it where the sun don't shine. Is that Economically Feasable enough for you?
Once again, you avoid the question and devalue your credibility. You base everything on your view of the situation. Nobody gives a Rats A$$ about your opinion, but the 140 million Americans in the Work Force give high credence to education. As far as they are concerned, you can take your bigotry and shove it where the sun don't shine. Is that clear enough for you?
GoPackGo
Diamond Member
I work at a large computer company...lets callit "ABC" wink wink
Most of the big system manufacturing is done in the US using both domestic and foreign made components.
For the first time since late 90's there is significant growth.
With more growth forecasted for this year.
Most of the big system manufacturing is done in the US using both domestic and foreign made components.
For the first time since late 90's there is significant growth.
With more growth forecasted for this year.
dmcowen674
No Lifer
Good, this is what we need to hear more of, a lot more, this is REAL proof, albeit only a fraction to what is needed but at least you provided a glimmer of hope. Not sure why you can't post the actual Company to allow people to do real search and verification for concrete proof but at least you said more than the other guy just spewing the same no meat to it nonsense as Bush, Rush, Hannity, Coulter and CAD & Co.
and Thank You.
Anyone else, we need More More More!
Wait, now you're saying there IS economic growth? Which is it? The economy is in the slumps thanks to outsourcing or the economy is on the rise thanks to "...big system manufacturing is done in the US using both domestic and foreign made components."?
In case you missed it, note the "foreign made components."
Heh, nice to hear there's actually a cadre of useful software engineers somewhere in the US. My point was that dmcowen's arguments over outsourcing has primarily emphasized labor. Although I have much faith in automated manufacturing, I seriously doubt that when company "ABC" outsources certain components to foreign companies, those companies do not employ laborers. The equivalent manufacturing company in the United States would doubtless employ skilled workers as well and, thanks to outsourcing to foreign shores, that American company with said workers has one less contract.
dmcowen674
No Lifer
You're right, contrary to belief I did not have Computer on the Brain.
There was a write up, something about 15,000 hires with 10,000 overseas and 5,000 for the U.S.
Better than 0 for U.S.
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