If Rambus can get a chipset manufacturer to sponsor them, so to speak, like SiS for instance(Rumor) they'll probably survive. And, serial technology is the future. The only 32 bit board currently here in the US is the Asus P4T533. Epox's EP-4T4A+/4T4AU 32 bit board is difficult to find here. I hope at least for competition's sake that Rambus will survive.
if i am thinking correctly, rambus memory has a certain number of cycles access time. as the clock speed increases a lotfaster than it does for sdram, those cycles are getting shorter, so latency will get better.
ddr sdram on the other hand is slowing down latency wise since the faster chips have slower latency as high as cas3 . i'm talking mainstream ram and not overclocker crazy super expensive ram.
ddr sdram on the other hand is slowing down latency wise since the faster chips have slower latency as high as cas3 . i'm talking mainstream ram and not overclocker crazy super expensive ram.
Originally posted by: sep
True, but why put a good technology to sleep just because the big CPU manufacture is changing it's mind like a women (no offence to you beautifully ladies). Currently RDRAM is the best performer for the fast P4 chips. This will remain the same until future chipsets are released and if I have to choose between RDRAM PC1333 or DDR???, my bets going to be on RDRAM. However Intel will see that this doesn't go to far. On that note, anyone know the true reason why Intel is pissed at RDRAM (facts please).
Actually, it's not only Intel that is pissed at them but the whole industry
for what they've done a few years back. They caused crazy price jump on all
types of DDR and SDRAM, hoping to win patent law suits. Luckly, it didn't happen.
I am using Rambus in my main machine but I do hate the company. Just do a search
on Google for Rambus Battle, it'll bring up the whole bunch of articles explaing
what they have done to all of the memory manufacturers.
RDRAM is very fast memory but the companu chose very lame way of doing
business... They sure found out what it can cause the hard way.
Just my 2 cents
Rambus dead? I dont think so.
http://www.rambus.com/news/pressrelease.cfm?id=78
Now I wanna know when we can expect to see Yellowstone and Redwood in our computers
Now that they are workign with Sony, Toshiba, and IBM should be interesting
http://www.rambus.com/news/pressrelease.cfm?id=78
Now I wanna know when we can expect to see Yellowstone and Redwood in our computers
Now that they are workign with Sony, Toshiba, and IBM should be interesting
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The Beauty of this thread is that we all have a preferance in what we want. I myself have a preferance in most anything that refers to the computer tech! I like this conversation, it helps and I learn a lot from them. Most of you in here have been an influence to me on my quest to the (my) perfect pc. I chose RDRam to be my ram of choice. Reasons, well not for the price, thats for sure!
The article was cool, it gave us pros and cons, goods and bads, but for the most part, it told the truth! I have nothing against DDR or anything else, just those of you whos minds are not open? This is why I come into ANANDTECH, open minds and all to whom help make that never ending quest for the perfect PC! Is there one? Mine is close but, just when I think that, I see something new............so, here I go again.........questing.......RDRam this time? DDR? Hmmm what to do? I keep reading and ..........well, dream...............................then buy! Quest on!
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The article was cool, it gave us pros and cons, goods and bads, but for the most part, it told the truth! I have nothing against DDR or anything else, just those of you whos minds are not open? This is why I come into ANANDTECH, open minds and all to whom help make that never ending quest for the perfect PC! Is there one? Mine is close but, just when I think that, I see something new............so, here I go again.........questing.......RDRam this time? DDR? Hmmm what to do? I keep reading and ..........well, dream...............................then buy! Quest on!
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RDRAM may have some life ahead of it yet. Although it has higher latency than current DDR memory, the standings may change slightly after DDR II becomes the mainstream standard. DDR II will impose higher latencies over DDR memory that is available today. Thankfully AMD's Hammer will have an on-die memory controller to help counteract that, but it's not magic and leaves Intel users suffering worst.
When is that other 32bit RDRAM mobo gonna come out and is any other mobo company gonna make some 32bit boards anytime soon?
I apparently have the old version of the Asus P4T533 since I believe the new ones have a fan on the Northbridge. I must be one of the lucky ones because it runs well I can oc to 150fsb where everything is stable and I can load Win XP and run a few simple tasks at up to 157fsb although any testing at this high will reboot the system. What advantage would I gain by getting a newer model?
If your board is working fine then there's no need to get a newer one. All of the later bios upgrades should work just fine. Some of the non power related problems with the earlier boards were repaired with bios revisions.
This thread is the same silly DDR vs RDRAM battle that I read here a year ago.
Thanks for the article post though.
Thanks for the article post though.
Ah, well i like DDR just recommended a DDR setup to my friend, I just think RDRAM is not as bad as other say it is.
It doesn't really matter about the ram, its about how much bandwidth the cpu+chipset can handle. SDRAM technology already offers 10-20GB/sec memory bandwidth in video cards, although that technology is far from cheap. In that sense SDRAM kicks the shat out of RDRAM. Right now the Athlons benefit best from DDR SDRAM because that's what they work best with. The DDR FSB of the athlons doesn't allow for even the dual channel nForce chipsets to offer major boosts in performance so the lower priced, lower latency, lower heat dissapating DDR is superior. The P4 on the other hand, can take advantage of higher memory bandwidths do to its wider FSB and this is where we can benefit from RDRAM's superior bandwidth for such systems. Really both technologies have their strengths and weaknesses but so far I don't see as many weaknesses with DDR compared to RDRAM. Not only is it an uphill battle for RDRAM, SDRAM is far from being out of tricks. If anything RDRAM will lose grip and fall down the hill. As far as competition, there is already plenty of competition between SDRAM manufacturers to keep prices down and performance up.
Actually thats incorrect there is no latency issue with the new RDRAM
Pro : Latency Issues Fixed with PC-1066
Remember how people complained that memory latency was the issue which would kill RDRAM? Well, you can safely put that to rest, as the latest generation of RDRAM (PC-1066) have superb latency. As RDRAM's latency decreases with clock speed, latency is no longer an issue of concern with PC-1066. Latency of PC-1066 is now on par with today's DDR SDRAM solutions, and no doubt will surpass DDR's low latency with next generation PC-1200 / PC-1333 RDRAM.
And as far as performance only thing that can can equal RDRAM is the Duel DDR which completly undermines DDRs argument as the cheaper solution. Buy twice as much ram, less stable, and the motherboards are more expensive.
512 Duel DDR at 2x512ram PC2700=$320
512 2x256 4200 RDRAM=$242
And after that added price look who still wins
http://www6.tomshardware.com/mainboard/20021125/intel_granitebay-14.html
And as for temp, who the heck cares, when was last time you heard somebody complain about there RDRAM overheating
Edit:link messed up
Pro : Latency Issues Fixed with PC-1066
Remember how people complained that memory latency was the issue which would kill RDRAM? Well, you can safely put that to rest, as the latest generation of RDRAM (PC-1066) have superb latency. As RDRAM's latency decreases with clock speed, latency is no longer an issue of concern with PC-1066. Latency of PC-1066 is now on par with today's DDR SDRAM solutions, and no doubt will surpass DDR's low latency with next generation PC-1200 / PC-1333 RDRAM.
And as far as performance only thing that can can equal RDRAM is the Duel DDR which completly undermines DDRs argument as the cheaper solution. Buy twice as much ram, less stable, and the motherboards are more expensive.
512 Duel DDR at 2x512ram PC2700=$320
512 2x256 4200 RDRAM=$242
And after that added price look who still wins
http://www6.tomshardware.com/mainboard/20021125/intel_granitebay-14.html
And as for temp, who the heck cares, when was last time you heard somebody complain about there RDRAM overheating
Edit:link messed up
I question where you get your prices, DX2Player. PC2700 DDR is less expensive than RDRAM.
2 X 512 MB of Crucial PC2700 DDR (1 GByte total) = 2 X $135 = $270 (S&H incl)
2 X 512 MB of Samsung PC1066 RDRAM (1 GByte total) = 2 X $244 = $488 (S&H incl)
2 X 256 MB of Crucial PC2700 DDR (512 MB total) = 2 X $68 = $136 (S&H incl)
2 X 256 MB of Samsung PC1066 RDRAM (512 MB total) = 2 X $92 = $184 (S&H incl)
In some benchmarks, RDRAM is faster, but not by much.
2 X 512 MB of Crucial PC2700 DDR (1 GByte total) = 2 X $135 = $270 (S&H incl)
2 X 512 MB of Samsung PC1066 RDRAM (1 GByte total) = 2 X $244 = $488 (S&H incl)
2 X 256 MB of Crucial PC2700 DDR (512 MB total) = 2 X $68 = $136 (S&H incl)
2 X 256 MB of Samsung PC1066 RDRAM (512 MB total) = 2 X $92 = $184 (S&H incl)
In some benchmarks, RDRAM is faster, but not by much.
I know where he got his prices from...he compared 2x512mb DDR and only 2x256mb RDRAM....hehe, that's twice as much ram homie
Did you hear the Playstation 3 might use Rdram. The article is linked on the front page of Hard.
I might be mistaken as I dont have much experience with duel DDR it was my impression that in its duel state that it would require twice as much ram to achieve the same effective amount, just like some RAID configurations. I would gladly be smited for this ignorance if it is as such not so. But never the less the cost differential has decreased as most Granite Bay boards cost $230 while RDRAM boards are about $155 so thats an extra $75 used tword memory instead. Id say that both cost about the same.
"Which one is the best? Granite Bay, the i845 PE, SIS648 or the i850E? Most people like a simple answer. Unfortunately the truth is - in our humble opinion - rather complex. Each chipset has some some advantage but also some serious disadvantages.
The ASUS P4T533, the only i850E board with support for 32 bit RDRAM, is still overall the fastest chipset for the desktopuser. 32 bit RDRAM is a little faster than two channels of 16 bit RDRAM and in some quite a few workstation applications it significantly outperformed the i845PE and DDR333.
But at the same time, it seems to be harder to produce high capacity RDRAM chipsets than DDR SDRAM chips. 512 MB 32 bit RDRAMs are pretty expensive, 1 GB RIMMS are unavailable. This means that with a ASUS P4T533 board, which has only two RIMM slots, you are limited to 1 GB of memory. This is enough for desktop use, but might be insufficient for a lot of workstation users.
For the desktop user, the ASUS P4T533 and P4T533-C are a pretty good deal. Excellent performance and overclockablility push the Pentium 4 to the highest framerates possible. As most desktop users do not need more than 512 MB, the price It is no accident that Intel's own 3.06 GHz evaluation kit shipped with a PC1066 RDRAM based board, and not Granite Bay.
For the people who hardly overclock, there is no need to buy DDR400. Wait until DDR400 is officially supported by Intel in about six months. Intel tends to make sure that the quality of DRAM at a certain speed
Even if it is beaten by the i850E, Granite Bay is no failure. It supports 4 GB of cheap unbuffered DDR266, which is something that no current Pentium 4 chipset is able to do. Nevertheless, it should be noted that Granite Bay only performs well with DDR266 which can run at 2-2-2. While DDR that can run at 2-2-2 is easily accessible to the review sites, I doubt strongly that most PC users will buy and use it. Most DDR333 and DDR266 runs easily at CAS 2 (2-3-3), but is not able to run at 2-2-2. So basically, the performance delta between the i850E-PC1066 and Granite Bay systems is in reality higher than most reviews indicate.
So that is the main reason why Granite Bay's performance is a bit disappointing, it needs fast DDR333 run at DDR266 2-2-2 to keep up with the old i850E chipset and is at the same time much more expensive than the old RDRAM chipset.
The i845PE will remain the most popular Pentium 4 chipset of all, as it is a little faster than the SIS648 and a lot cheaper than Intel's E7205."
-Ace's Hardware
"Which one is the best? Granite Bay, the i845 PE, SIS648 or the i850E? Most people like a simple answer. Unfortunately the truth is - in our humble opinion - rather complex. Each chipset has some some advantage but also some serious disadvantages.
The ASUS P4T533, the only i850E board with support for 32 bit RDRAM, is still overall the fastest chipset for the desktopuser. 32 bit RDRAM is a little faster than two channels of 16 bit RDRAM and in some quite a few workstation applications it significantly outperformed the i845PE and DDR333.
But at the same time, it seems to be harder to produce high capacity RDRAM chipsets than DDR SDRAM chips. 512 MB 32 bit RDRAMs are pretty expensive, 1 GB RIMMS are unavailable. This means that with a ASUS P4T533 board, which has only two RIMM slots, you are limited to 1 GB of memory. This is enough for desktop use, but might be insufficient for a lot of workstation users.
For the desktop user, the ASUS P4T533 and P4T533-C are a pretty good deal. Excellent performance and overclockablility push the Pentium 4 to the highest framerates possible. As most desktop users do not need more than 512 MB, the price It is no accident that Intel's own 3.06 GHz evaluation kit shipped with a PC1066 RDRAM based board, and not Granite Bay.
For the people who hardly overclock, there is no need to buy DDR400. Wait until DDR400 is officially supported by Intel in about six months. Intel tends to make sure that the quality of DRAM at a certain speed
Even if it is beaten by the i850E, Granite Bay is no failure. It supports 4 GB of cheap unbuffered DDR266, which is something that no current Pentium 4 chipset is able to do. Nevertheless, it should be noted that Granite Bay only performs well with DDR266 which can run at 2-2-2. While DDR that can run at 2-2-2 is easily accessible to the review sites, I doubt strongly that most PC users will buy and use it. Most DDR333 and DDR266 runs easily at CAS 2 (2-3-3), but is not able to run at 2-2-2. So basically, the performance delta between the i850E-PC1066 and Granite Bay systems is in reality higher than most reviews indicate.
So that is the main reason why Granite Bay's performance is a bit disappointing, it needs fast DDR333 run at DDR266 2-2-2 to keep up with the old i850E chipset and is at the same time much more expensive than the old RDRAM chipset.
The i845PE will remain the most popular Pentium 4 chipset of all, as it is a little faster than the SIS648 and a lot cheaper than Intel's E7205."
-Ace's Hardware
Anyone have any idea when Rambus is expected to release new ram, will they simply pass the PC1200 and go straight to PC1333 in light of Intel going straight to 800MHz?
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