The State of PC-1066 RDRAM : Looking Forward

[sep]

The State of PC-1066 RDRAM : Looking Forward

I just read a great article about RDRAM and wanted to share...Let me know you thoughts if your using or would like to use RDRAM.

*Now I know why I can't get over 150FSB, my kingston modules limit me. Anyone want to trade (hehehe).

 

[THUGSROOK]

RDram is about to go bye-bye

so say bye bye

 

[Mikki]

Bye Bye!!!!!!

 

[fluxquantum]

that's a good article otherwise thanks for sharing the info.

 

[sep]

Did you read the article...I don't think so!

 

[valhar2000]

According to all the benchmarks and reviews, RDRAM offers a very large bandwidth, much more so than DDR SDRAM. If AMD made processors and chipsets capable of using this bandwidth, we might be on to a good thing, in fact.
However, there is also quadruple data rate memory being proposed by VIA, and dual channel solutions being proposed by other people, so it might not be necessary to turn to RDRAM to obtain the memory bandwidth the future demands.

 

[sep]

True, but why put a good technology to sleep just because the big CPU manufacture is changing it's mind like a women (no offence to you beautifully ladies). Currently RDRAM is the best performer for the fast P4 chips. This will remain the same until future chipsets are released and if I have to choose between RDRAM PC1333 or DDR???, my bets going to be on RDRAM. However Intel will see that this doesn't go to far. On that note, anyone know the true reason why Intel is pissed at RDRAM (facts please).

 

[DX2Player]

Personally I like my RIMM 4200 and its not nearly as expensive as most people would like to think.
It's the fastest stuff out there I just wish more companies would embrace it.
Besides I think its boaring to have only one option, consumers thrive on the struggles between technologies and companies
Im not biased tword anything but having the best and so for now I would choose Intel, ATI, and RDRAM
Im no fan boy 6 months from now Im hoping that my choices would be different

 

[SupermanCK]

hmmm...am i missing something here?
bye bye...
sep...you will see in a few weeks...DUAL DDR!!!

 

[PhoenixOfWater]

Granite Bay

 

[Toymaker]

32 bit RDRAM looks real promising. But there's only one motherbord manufactured that supports it (Asus P4T-533). The advent of Dual Channel DDR may cause Mobo manufacturers to think twice about future support. Something interesting that I read is that now, since DCDDR requires the use of two sticks of memory, RDRAM supporters will start pointing out the fact that 32 bit RDRAM only requires one stick of RAM and a dummy C-Rimm goes into the other slot, thereby presenting an overall cost savings. Wouldn't it be something if DCDDR boards become the "enthusiasts" board while RDRAM boards become the costs savings solution. Man! what a flip flop that would be. 32 bit PC 1200 RDRAM modules (RIMM 4800) are begining to show up on the net but again, there's still the problem of motherboard support. The next six months might be real interesting.

 

[Wolfsraider]

don't forget the epox board coming that will also support the 32bit rdram

 

[Imported]

Which remins me.. I gotta send my P4T533 back to Asus for a new one since they have finally fixed the problems that plagued them before.. I wonder if Newegg would just lemme exchange it for another with the newer release dates, even after 2 months.. hmm..

 

[CrazySaint]

Originally posted by: Toymaker
32 bit RDRAM looks real promising. But there's only one motherbord manufactured that supports it (Asus P4T-533). The advent of Dual Channel DDR may cause Mobo manufacturers to think twice about future support. Something interesting that I read is that now, since DCDDR requires the use of two sticks of memory, RDRAM supporters will start pointing out the fact that 32 bit RDRAM only requires one stick of RAM and a dummy C-Rimm goes into the other slot, thereby presenting an overall cost savings. Wouldn't it be something if DCDDR boards become the "enthusiasts" board while RDRAM boards become the costs savings solution. Man! what a flip flop that would be. 32 bit PC 1200 RDRAM modules (RIMM 4800) are begining to show up on the net but again, there's still the problem of motherboard support. The next six months might be real interesting.

DC DDR = "Enthusiast's board", SC DDR = "Cost effective performance", RDRAM = "BYE BYE!"

 

[sep]

Originally posted by: CrazySaint
DC DDR = "Enthusiast's board", SC DDR = "Cost effective performance", RDRAM = "BYE BYE!"

Say Hello to PC1333 that exceeds DDR's speeds...If read the article (not just hear to bash a technology that your not using) the consumers we'll be directing if certain technology goes bye bye...gees!

 

[THUGSROOK]

what do you expect?
you posted this in a 99.9999% DDR user forum

 

[Mikki]

Which should tell ya something in of itself......

 

[Necrolezbeast]

rdram also has WAY high latency...I agree with the previoulsy stated "bye bye" theory!

 

[sep]

what do you expect?
you posted this in a 99.9999% DDR user forum

I expected you to have an open mind reading this article. I found it to be interesting how technology changes overnight. I'm not bios about RDRAM, DDR, SDRAM or even DRAM. I share something similar with all of you...my lust/addiction for computers. If you think the technology is going bye, good for you. For now I'm enjoying my RDRAM in my system which I think is one of the fastest memory out. Sure, tomorrow that will not be the case and I think that?s one of the things this article says. It's not bashing DDR or RDRAM, but showing you that just because a big technology company doesn't agree with certain technology it can't be flushed that easily.

Yes, I know a lot in this forum use DDR. So I shouldn?t post anything here about technology that isn?t 99.99% of the used technology in this forum?

 

[Toymaker]

Well, when you go to other forums, the RDRAM people generally bash the DDR people. Now it looks like we DDR people are gonna get a nice healthy performance gain here soon. It's a competitive thing if you know what I mean. So, don't take it personally.

 

[Mangler]

pretty nice article....thanks for the post!!

 

[Spicedaddy]

The only reason RDRAM offered more bandwidth until now is because it's used in dual channel configurations. Granite Bay motherboards will be here in a few weeks, so dual channel DDR will offer the same bandwidth.

Say Hello to PC1333 that exceeds DDR's speeds...

Say Hello to Dual Channel PC2700 DDR, which offers the same bandwidth as PC1333 RDRAM. And PC2700 is available right now... And it overclocks better... And has lower latency...


Anyways, I really don't see how PC1333 could ever become a standard. PC1333 would be a match for the 667MHz FSB P4's, which will be Prescott cores and won't run on current i850/850E motherboards. The problem is Intel doesn't plan to release another chipset supporting RDRAM.

 

[CrazySaint]

Originally posted by: sep

what do you expect?
you posted this in a 99.9999% DDR user forum

I expected you to have an open mind reading this article. I found it to be interesting how technology changes overnight. I'm not bios about RDRAM, DDR, SDRAM or even DRAM. I share something similar with all of you...my lust/addiction for computers. If you think the technology is going bye, good for you. For now I'm enjoying my RDRAM in my system which I think is one of the fastest memory out. Sure, tomorrow that will not be the case and I think that?s one of the things this article says. It's not bashing DDR or RDRAM, but showing you that just because a big technology company doesn't agree with certain technology it can't be flushed that easily.

Yes, I know a lot in this forum use DDR. So I shouldn?t post anything here about technology that isn?t 99.99% of the used technology in this forum?

No, but you shouldn't be surprised when people don't cheer

I read the article with an open mind, looking for a convincing argument that RDRAM is better than DC DDR, but I couldn't find one. DC DDR is both faster and cheaper than RDRAM (assuming that DC DDR boards are comparable in cost to current popular boards). The only way for RDRAM to compete is to drop prices below that of a DC DDR setup. In addition, its my understanding that its very difficult/impossible to OC past 150MHz FSB with RDRAM, although I could fully well be wrong about that.

Say Hello to PC1333 that exceeds DDR's speeds...If read the article (not just hear to bash a technology that your not using) the consumers we'll be directing if certain technology goes bye bye...gees!

Well, considering we won't be able to use PC1333 until Intel releases P4s with 667MHz FSBs*, we won't be "saying hello" to PC1333 until at least Mid '03 (AFAIK, that's the expected release date of the Prescott core which I'm pretty sure will be the first P4s with 667MHz FSBs*). Also, I'm not sure where you get that PC1333 is faster than DDR. PC1333 = DC DDR333, there are P4 Northwood OC'ers right here on this board that wil be running that the day they buy their GB motherboard (assuming that the chipset can handle FSB speeds of 166MHz). But even if it *were* faster than currently attainable DDR speeds, saying that a product that apparantly isn't anywhere near release is faster than a product that will be available in 2-3 weeks is somewhat pointless (I'm assuming/expecting DC DDR motherboards to either be readily available for the Mid-Nov. GB release or readily available shortly thereafter).

One thing I'm curious about, in that article he mentioned running the PCI/AGP busses out of spec, indicating that his board didn't have a PCI/AGP lock, was that an issue specific that particular board or is it common to most/all RDRAM boards? If its common to most/all RDRAM boards, that to me, would make RDRAM an unattractive OC platform, even if it *could* OC beyond 150MHz FSB.

* The FSBs are actually 666MHz, but Intel's marketing apparantly thought that sounded too "evil"

 

[DynaOne]

Rumors are the DCDDR Granite Bay at 266mhz is faster than RDRAM 1066 - when will published tests be out? How about the SiS DCDDR at 333?
DynaOne

 

[Duvie]

Pc1333??? I rarely have seen pc1200.....Dual pc2100 in a granite bay will come out and equal to slightly better the pc1066 on the i850e platform....Dual pc2700 will be better then pc1200, which like I said I rarely see...

A guy at www.hardocp.com has dual 376mhz ddr running and I am sure it will better the pc1333 by interpolation of pc1200.

I think this was really an rdram stoke fest thread and you seem mad ppl didn't fall over themselves inawe....The fact is rdram from its inception has been a fairly unliked product...A) for there business practice B) for the price early on...Now ddr has grabbed a stronhold in the market with P4 acceptance and amd athlons and rdram just doesn't have the support...

Plus it will be nice in 2 weeks to finally stop the rdram fans from saying rdram is the best for the p4...Not anymore girls!!!