The shoe throwing incident...did it make you feel good?

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: piasabird
Personally I think throwing a shoe is kind of silly. What is sad is that Iraq cant figure out whether to set the guy free or throw him in jail, or charge him with a crime. It seems like attacking any head of state deserves at least some jail time. Attacking any person like that should at least be considered assault.

People should be ashamed of having joy when a person is assaulted in public. If you have hate in your heart then you are a sick person.

walk a mile in his shoes first.

He can't, Bush still has them.

🙂

It's true there are conflicting stories about his treatment.

 

[ayabe]

I hate Bush, but no this made me feel terrible.

He is still POTUS and still deserves respect, especially from some Emo Iraqi guy.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: ayabe
He is still POTUS and still deserves respect.

this.

 

[CrackRabbit]

I'm unhappy he missed.
A good smack upside the head with a shoe is the minimum Dubya needs.
Of course with a skull that thick I doubt a shoe would of hurt.


Edit: Asbestos underwear, does internet poster good, until they give you cancer.

 

[BMW540I6speed]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: ayabe
He is still POTUS and still deserves respect.

this.

I agree...The sad thing is how this reporter has been treated as a hero by the whole Arab world. Gives a sad picture of how our policies in the Middle East have destroyed any respect toward our President and the USA.

 

[Xavier434]

I chuckled, but thought it was distasteful all the same. I laughed a lot after people started making all of the animated gifs though. :laugh:

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

It made me all giggly like a school girl. 🙂

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: Perry404

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: Perry404

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
He got the shit beat out of him after, that made me feel good.

Yes from what I hear he sustained a broken arm and some broken ribs while in cusody.
Sounds very similar to Saddam Hussein's regime no?

Pretty thuggish. I do not ever condone the government ever physically harming a suspect who is properly restrained. It is barbaric and unseemly.

One brother claims he was severely beaten and the media hyped that claim. Another brother claims he was not beaten and the media pretty much ignored that claim.

Anyway, the Iraqi shoe hurler seems a bit more contrite now that his moment of anger might have netted him 2 years in the clink:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28295066/

And of course you believe the contriteness even though we haven't seen his face or heard his voice since.
I suspect it'll be a few weeks before we see him as a bruised suspect wouldn't look good on the front page of Drudge.

:roll:

 

[Vic]

No, but I have to admit I laughed. Bush has some lightning quick reflexes, and a good thing too!

 

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Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: ayabe
He is still POTUS and still deserves respect.

this.

Ripe entrance for Godwin's law, but I will resist 🙂

 

[mxyzptlk]

Hell yes! it was the funniest thing I'd seen in a long time. I was having a rather crappy day until I saw that vid and it instantly cheered me up. The sheer absurdity of throwing shoes at anyone, let alone the president of the united states. The president's response immediately after was equally funny.

Originally posted by: spidey07
I think it's a complete disgrace that somebody in the country we liberated would be that disrespectful.

LOL, the funny just keeps on coming!

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: spidey07
I think it's a complete disgrace that somebody in the country we liberated would be that disrespectful.

Gratitude always requires at least a small measure of resentment. Sure, we helped them, but they're in our debt now. And we liberated them from themselves, not some foreign occupier. Their national shame must be profound.

 

[fleshconsumed]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: ayabe
He is still POTUS and still deserves respect.

this.

Respect is never deserved. It is earned.

 

[mxyzptlk]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: spidey07
I think it's a complete disgrace that somebody in the country we liberated would be that disrespectful.

Gratitude always requires at least a small measure of resentment. Sure, we helped them, but they're in our debt now. And we liberated them from themselves, not some foreign occupier. Their national shame must be profound.

we liberated them from electricity, running water and a functioning society.

 

[Farang]

Originally posted by: fleshconsumed

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: ayabe
He is still POTUS and still deserves respect.

this.

Respect is never deserved. It is earned.

Earned by being elected President of the United States.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: fleshconsumed

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: ayabe
He is still POTUS and still deserves respect.

this.

Respect is never deserved. It is earned.

Not in this case, otherwise you are disrespecting the office, which is bigger than George Bush.

That's what we're really talking about here, respect for the office, not Bush the man.

 

[mxyzptlk]

Originally posted by: Farang

Originally posted by: fleshconsumed

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: ayabe
He is still POTUS and still deserves respect.

this.

Respect is never deserved. It is earned.

Earned by being elected President of the United States.

That means dick-all to some angry Iraqi with an axe to grind.... or a shoe to throw.

 

[Farang]

Originally posted by: mxyzptlk

Originally posted by: Farang

Originally posted by: fleshconsumed

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: ayabe
He is still POTUS and still deserves respect.

this.

Respect is never deserved. It is earned.

Earned by being elected President of the United States.

That means dick-all to some angry Iraqi with an axe to grind.... or a shoe to throw.

I understand that but if someone does the most insulting thing to the holder of an office you respect, should you feel good?

 

[Muse]

Originally posted by: spidey07
I think it's a complete disgrace that somebody in the country we liberated would be that disrespectful.

Your view of it isn't realistic. A lot of the people there view the Americans as occupiers of their country and want them to leave. I really don't have much in the way of feelings about this incident. It was kind of funny but don't think I laughed. I've seen that video many times, they keep playing it over and over. It's a gesture, a stunt, totally open to interpretation. I wouldn't get too hung up on any sense of significance to it regardless of all the chatter from where ever.

 

[fleshconsumed]

Originally posted by: Farang

Originally posted by: fleshconsumed

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: ayabe
He is still POTUS and still deserves respect.

this.

Respect is never deserved. It is earned.

Earned by being elected President of the United States.

Ridiculous. Being elected does not earn respect. What happened to the idea that it is person's actions that earn respect?

 

[Farang]

Originally posted by: fleshconsumed

Originally posted by: Farang

Originally posted by: fleshconsumed

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: ayabe
He is still POTUS and still deserves respect.

this.

Respect is never deserved. It is earned.

Earned by being elected President of the United States.

Ridiculous. Being elected does not earn respect. What happened to the idea that it is person's actions that earn respect?

I should be more specific. I don't really respect Bush, I'll call him an idiot, a hard-headed wrong bastard, etc. But in his capacity as head of state overseas, I would like to see the leader of my country shown at least some basic amount of respect because he is representing me over there (if I like it or not). So in a foreign country, during an official meeting, I think any U.S. President deserves enough respect to not be assaulted in the most demeaning way possible (for Arabs).

 

[fleshconsumed]

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: fleshconsumed

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: ayabe
He is still POTUS and still deserves respect.

this.

Respect is never deserved. It is earned.

Not in this case, otherwise you are disrespecting the office, which is bigger than George Bush.

That's what we're really talking about here, respect for the office, not Bush the man.

One, office and POTUS are two different entities. Respecting/not respecting one has no effect on the other. Two, if you want to go further, office is made up of people, respect for the office is determined by respect to individual members of that office. Three, idolization of the POTUS/office is largely responsible for the current situation.

 

[mxyzptlk]

Originally posted by: Farang
I understand that but if someone does the most insulting thing to the holder of an office you respect, should you feel good?

I'm not really the type to blindly throw allegiance/respect at any warm body who happens to hold the title of POTUS or any other title/office.

For example, someone does "the most insulting thing" to my president and my first reaction (after laughing at the video) is to wonder why. What series of events lead to the situation. Maybe in the course of my reasoning I come to the conclusion that the president deserved it. Maybe not. It depends entirely on the situation.

 

[fleshconsumed]

Originally posted by: Farang

Originally posted by: fleshconsumed

Originally posted by: Farang

Originally posted by: fleshconsumed

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: ayabe
He is still POTUS and still deserves respect.

this.

Respect is never deserved. It is earned.

Earned by being elected President of the United States.

Ridiculous. Being elected does not earn respect. What happened to the idea that it is person's actions that earn respect?

I should be more specific. I don't really respect Bush, I'll call him an idiot, a hard-headed wrong bastard, etc. But in his capacity as head of state overseas, I would like to see the leader of my country shown at least some basic amount of respect because he is representing me over there (if I like it or not). So in a foreign country, during an official meeting, I think any U.S. President deserves enough respect to not be assaulted in the most demeaning way possible (for Arabs).

You're talking about politeness, not respect.

I'm curious though, you would call him an idiot, but would deny the same opportunity to a citizen of another country? Why?

 

[Farang]

Originally posted by: fleshconsumed

I'm curious though, you would call him an idiot, but would deny the same opportunity to a citizen of another country? Why?

That is a good question. I think because he is my President and not theirs. If I met the Queen of England, no matter how useless I find her and the propriety involved in meeting her, if she visited the U.S. I would not say to her face what I thought out of respect for English people. It isn't my place and they can have a Queen if they want one.

Now this situation is obviously different in that a country has been invaded and the man largely responsible for it has a shoe thrown at him. I understand why the guy did what he did and don't feel angry towards him, its just as an American I can't respect it or think of it as a positive incident. I feel bad when I see it and as mxyzptlk said, wonder what caused it.