The Search for Banned Weapons in Iraq . . .

[CaptnKirk]

WMD = Zero

After nearly 2 years of digging throught all the trash that we collectively call Iraq, it ended last month.
1) Too dangerous to contine with all the Iron Rain.
2) No new or substantial leads - the paid liars ran out of fibs.
3) You draw your own conclusions, or just make up another Bush-Excuse.

<CLIP>

The hunt for biological, chemical and nuclear weapons in Iraq has come to an end nearly two years after President Bush ordered U.S. troops to disarm Saddam Hussein. The top CIA weapons hunter is home, and analysts are back at Langley.

In interviews, officials who served with the Iraq Survey Group (ISG) said the violence in Iraq, coupled with a lack of new information, led them to fold up the effort shortly before Christmas

Four months after Charles A. Duelfer, who led the weapons hunt in 2004, submitted an interim report to Congress that contradicted nearly every prewar assertion about Iraq made by top Bush administration officials, a senior intelligence official said the findings will stand as the ISG's final conclusions and will be published this spring.

President Bush, Vice President Cheney and other top administration officials asserted before the U.S. invasion in March 2003 that Iraq was reconstituting its nuclear weapons program, had chemical and biological weapons, and maintained links to al Qaeda affiliates to whom it might give such weapons to use against the United States.

Bush has expressed disappointment that no weapons or weapons programs were found, but the White House has been reluctant to call off the hunt, holding out the possibility that weapons were moved out of Iraq before the war or are well hidden somewhere inside the country. But the intelligence official said that possibility is very small.

 

[dmcowen674]

What's Official?

Bush, Blair, Powell, and the rest never mentioned anything about WMD 😕

 

[Infohawk]

Let's see if we can run through all the red-state responses:

- Everyone said there were WMDs so you can't blame the US for being wrong about it too! (If you ever make a mistake on the job just claim it's universal and watch yourself get promoted)
- Iraq was helping the terrorists (from the I don't know crap about Iraqi history and saddam secularism department)
- We need a base in the middle east (You mean Arabs hate us because we meddle in their affairs?)
- It was and will always be about HELPING the Iraqis. (from the people that brought you sanctions of death and abu graib and other misanthropy)
- WMDs? Who said anything about WMDs?

Any others?

 

[sandorski]

Yup, I'm sure that Blix is still the scum of the earth though. He wanting more time and all while Saddam feverishly desiring to turn the US into a Mushroom Farm.

 

[lozina]

Well they duped the people big time, and all they had to do was just wait a year or two while the masses get distracted by more important things like which celebrety is dating who or what how thei rfavorite football team is doing and then they can come out with a revelation like this: that no WMDs were found and the hunt is being called off.

 

[miketheidiot]

this will never be on the front page of any paper (besides perhaps a few liberal rags). Damn mainstream conservative media. 🙁

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
this will never be on the front page of any paper (besides perhaps a few liberal rags). Damn mainstream conservative media. 🙁

Yeah that's funny, the only front page I'm seeing it on right now is Al Jazeera, as a side article. This is huge news, since it shows the Bush administration completely abandoning the whole premise of their belligerent invasion which resulted in countless deaths and hundreds of billions of dollars lost.

"Oh by the way, allies-who-sent-their-troops-into-Iraq-believing-our-noble-cause-of-neutralizing-a-global-threat, there are no WMDs, and we're tired of looking for them. But thanks for your sacrifices and I hope we can dupe you again some day."

 

[ReiAyanami]

This administration is full of weapons of mass deception.

 

[rickn]

they found WMD, a large stockpile of knee pads, Bendover Boys label.. that they distributed to the neocons prior to the election

 

[conjur]

Some of the misleading statements by President Bush include his statement in the
January 28, 2003, State of the Union address that ?the British government has
learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium
from Africa?; his statement on October 2, 2002, that ?the Iraqi regime is a threat
of unique urgency?; and his statement on May 1, 2003, that ?the liberation of Iraq
. . . removed an ally of al Qaeda.?

Some of the misleading statements by Vice President Cheney include his
statement on September 8, 2002, that ?we do know, with absolute certainty, that
he is using his procurement system to acquire the equipment he needs . . . to build
a nuclear weapon?; his statement on March 16, 2003, that ?we believe he has, in
fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons?; and his statement on October 10, 2003, that
Saddam Hussein ?had an established relationship with al Qaeda.?

Some of the misleading statements by Secretary Rumsfeld include his statement
on November 14, 2002, that within ?a week, or a month? Saddam Hussein could
give his weapons of mass destruction to al Qaeda, which could use them to attack
the United States and kill ?30,000, or 100,000 . . . human beings?; his statement
on January 29, 2003, that Saddam Hussein?s regime ?recently was discovered
seeking significant quantities of uranium from Africa?; and his statement on July
13, 2003, that there ?was never any debate? about whether Iraq had a nuclear
program.

Secretary Powell sometimes used caveats and qualifying language in his public
statements. His statements that contained such cautions or limitations were not
included in the database. Nonetheless, many of Secretary Powell?s statements did
not include these qualifiers and were misleading in their expression of certainty,
such as his statement on May 22, 2003, that ?there is no doubt in our minds now
that those vans were designed for only one purpose, and that was to make
biological weapons.?

Although Ms. Rice had the fewest public appearances and the fewest misleading
statements, she had the highest number of statements ? 8 ? that were false.
These false statements included several categorical assertions that that no one in
the White House knew of the intelligence community?s doubts about the
President?s assertion that Iraq sought to import uranium from Africa.

 

[kage69]

they found WMD, a large stockpile of knee pads, Bendover Boys label.. that they distributed to the neocons prior to the election

LOL :thumbsup:

 

[umbrella39]

*crickets* from the Bush Fanbois. Par for the neocon course. Yawn. Dinosaurs became extinct, too, so will you.

 

[EXman]

On to Syria Captain Krank!

Reading a post from you on this subject is a laugher! SO I guess you know where teh WMD's went that he had and already used? No I didn't think so. Logic was on the Iraq had WMD side but you are are only concerned with logic if it is working in your favor.

Paid liars = many many other governments I think the # was at least 7. yea right. 😀

Go apply for Dan Rathers Job He'd Love you!

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: umbrella39
*crickets* from the Bush Fanbois. Par for the neocon course. Yawn. Dinosaurs became extinct, too, so will you.

Funny did you look at the last election results? Who made gains? "Da Nile" is not only a river in africa! 😛

Libs are even losing their Evening newsdesks.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: EXman
On to Syria Captain Krank!

Reading a post from you on this subject is a laugher! SO I guess you know where teh WMD's went that he had and already used? No I didn't think so. Logic was on the Iraq had WMD side but you are are only concerned with logic if it is working in your favor.

Paid liars = many many other governments I think the # was at least 7. yea right. 😀

Go apply for Dan Rathers Job He'd Love you!

Try reading for a change. It's educational. You'll find many articles showing that the Gulf War, the inspections during the 90s destroyed the WMDs, and missile strikes during the Clinton administration destroyed the WMDs and the facilities where they were made.

I suppose you know what happened to the ones Rumsfeld knew existed and he knew where they were?

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: EXman
On to Syria Captain Krank!

Reading a post from you on this subject is a laugher! SO I guess you know where teh WMD's went that he had and already used? No I didn't think so. Logic was on the Iraq had WMD side but you are are only concerned with logic if it is working in your favor.

Paid liars = many many other governments I think the # was at least 7. yea right. 😀

Go apply for Dan Rathers Job He'd Love you!

Try reading for a change. It's educational. You'll find many articles showing that the Gulf War, the inspections during the 90s destroyed the WMDs, and missile strikes during the Clinton administration destroyed the WMDs and the facilities where they were made.

I suppose you know what happened to the ones Rumsfeld knew existed and he knew where they were?

Read what? Something from the Liberal media on there version of history? Then why did they have sanctions? Why the secrets. Why block the inspectors? are you blocking the obvious? Maybe Saddam was bluffing maybe saddam put them on a truck to Damascus? Who cares we were not the only one who thought he had them and that is a fact.

Rumsfeld is a Goober he couldn't find a missle if it was in his butt. And I suppose you have never been led astray to believing something untrue even if it was important. C'mon the Goober made a mistake you have not?

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: EXman
On to Syria Captain Krank!

Reading a post from you on this subject is a laugher! SO I guess you know where teh WMD's went that he had and already used? No I didn't think so. Logic was on the Iraq had WMD side but you are are only concerned with logic if it is working in your favor.

Paid liars = many many other governments I think the # was at least 7. yea right. 😀

Go apply for Dan Rathers Job He'd Love you!

Try reading for a change. It's educational. You'll find many articles showing that the Gulf War, the inspections during the 90s destroyed the WMDs, and missile strikes during the Clinton administration destroyed the WMDs and the facilities where they were made.

I suppose you know what happened to the ones Rumsfeld knew existed and he knew where they were?

Read what? Something from the Liberal media on there version of history? Then why did they have sanctions? Why the secrets. Why block the inspectors? are you blocking the obvious? Maybe Saddam was bluffing maybe saddam put them on a truck to Damascus? Who cares we were not the only one who thought he had them and that is a fact.

Rumsfeld is a Goober he couldn't find a missle if it was in his butt. And I suppose you have never been led astray to believing something untrue even if it was important. C'mon the Goober made a mistake you have not?

A planned 1,350 plus troop death (and rising) and $200 Billion (and rising) mistake. Fully planned, and, as has been said before, extended long enough that most people don't remember the real reason that we were told to go to Iraq anyway. Out of sight, out of mind. PNAC in action.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: EXman
On to Syria Captain Krank!

Reading a post from you on this subject is a laugher! SO I guess you know where teh WMD's went that he had and already used? No I didn't think so. Logic was on the Iraq had WMD side but you are are only concerned with logic if it is working in your favor.

Paid liars = many many other governments I think the # was at least 7. yea right. 😀

Go apply for Dan Rathers Job He'd Love you!

Try reading for a change. It's educational. You'll find many articles showing that the Gulf War, the inspections during the 90s destroyed the WMDs, and missile strikes during the Clinton administration destroyed the WMDs and the facilities where they were made.

I suppose you know what happened to the ones Rumsfeld knew existed and he knew where they were

Read what? Something from the Liberal media on there version of history? Then why did they have sanctions? Why the secrets. Why block the inspectors? are you blocking the obvious? Maybe Saddam was bluffing maybe saddam put them on a truck to Damascus? Who cares we were not the only one who thought he had them and that is a fact.

Rumsfeld is a Goober he couldn't find a missle if it was in his butt. And I suppose you have never been led astray to believing something untrue even if it was important. C'mon the Goober made a mistake you have not?

Read what? Read these:

The new Pentagon papers - By Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski
http://www.salon.com/opinion/f...2004/03/10/osp_moveon/

Hijacking Catastrophe - by Karen Kwiatkowski (Lt. Col. USAF retired)
http://www.informationclearing...e.info/article6895.htm

THE STOVEPIPE by SEYMOUR M. HERSH
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?031027fa_fact

SELECTIVE INTELLIGENCE by SEYMOUR M. HERSH
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?030512fa_fact


What about Cheney's statements? What about Powell's statements? What about Rice's statements? What about Bush's statements? Are they all "Goobers", too?

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: EXman
On to Syria Captain Krank!

Reading a post from you on this subject is a laugher! SO I guess you know where teh WMD's went that he had and already used? No I didn't think so. Logic was on the Iraq had WMD side but you are are only concerned with logic if it is working in your favor.

Paid liars = many many other governments I think the # was at least 7. yea right. 😀

Go apply for Dan Rathers Job He'd Love you!

Try reading for a change. It's educational. You'll find many articles showing that the Gulf War, the inspections during the 90s destroyed the WMDs, and missile strikes during the Clinton administration destroyed the WMDs and the facilities where they were made.

I suppose you know what happened to the ones Rumsfeld knew existed and he knew where they were?

Read what? Something from the Liberal media on there version of history? Then why did they have sanctions? Why the secrets. Why block the inspectors? are you blocking the obvious? Maybe Saddam was bluffing maybe saddam put them on a truck to Damascus? Who cares we were not the only one who thought he had them and that is a fact.

Rumsfeld is a Goober he couldn't find a missle if it was in his butt. And I suppose you have never been led astray to believing something untrue even if it was important. C'mon the Goober made a mistake you have not?

A planned 1,350 plus troop death (and rising) and $200 Billion (and rising) mistake. Fully planned, and, as has been said before, extended long enough that most people don't remember the real reason that we were told to go to Iraq anyway. Out of sight, out of mind. PNAC in action.

Sorry conjur doesn't get to make those kind of decisions and I was kidding aout that anyhow. I'd Like to see Rumsfeld go over there till this was over and he could run point. Heck I have a few Marine and Army Buddies over there I'd like them to end this just sa much as the next guy or more. Two just reinlisted and is now gone for a year and they have 3 small children between them. After a thought that last line of mine wasn't very sensitive about the mistake but it was just to make you all think.

 

[MidasKnight]

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: EXman
On to Syria Captain Krank!

Reading a post from you on this subject is a laugher! SO I guess you know where teh WMD's went that he had and already used? No I didn't think so. Logic was on the Iraq had WMD side but you are are only concerned with logic if it is working in your favor.

Paid liars = many many other governments I think the # was at least 7. yea right. 😀

Go apply for Dan Rathers Job He'd Love you!

Try reading for a change. It's educational. You'll find many articles showing that the Gulf War, the inspections during the 90s destroyed the WMDs, and missile strikes during the Clinton administration destroyed the WMDs and the facilities where they were made.

I suppose you know what happened to the ones Rumsfeld knew existed and he knew where they were?

Read what? Something from the Liberal media on there version of history? Then why did they have sanctions? Why the secrets. Why block the inspectors? are you blocking the obvious? Maybe Saddam was bluffing maybe saddam put them on a truck to Damascus? Who cares we were not the only one who thought he had them and that is a fact.

Rumsfeld is a Goober he couldn't find a missle if it was in his butt. And I suppose you have never been led astray to believing something untrue even if it was important. C'mon the Goober made a mistake you have not?

Here's why :

The report found that Iraq worked hard to cheat on United Nations-imposed sanctions and retain the capability to resume production of weapons of mass destruction at some time in the future. (Full story)

"[Saddam] wanted to end sanctions while preserving the capability to reconstitute his weapons of mass destruction when sanctions were lifted," a summary of the report said.

Many of the military and intelligence personnel, who had been assigned to the weapons search, are now working on counterinsurgency matters, the official said.[/b

CNN

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: EXman
On to Syria Captain Krank!

Reading a post from you on this subject is a laugher! SO I guess you know where teh WMD's went that he had and already used? No I didn't think so. Logic was on the Iraq had WMD side but you are are only concerned with logic if it is working in your favor.

Paid liars = many many other governments I think the # was at least 7. yea right. 😀

Go apply for Dan Rathers Job He'd Love you!

Oh the humor abounds in this forum. Please explain how exactly " Logic was on the Iraq had WMD side", I'd really like to hear your argument. Perhaps you are a broken record stuck on the time when Bush made that speech with all those magnificent claims about Iraq's WMD, repeating that speech over and over in your head, while ignoring how the majority of those claims were systematically debunked over the following months?

Oh about your Syria comment:

Bush has expressed disappointment that no weapons or weapons programs were found, but the White House has been reluctant to call off the hunt, holding out the possibility that weapons were moved out of Iraq before the war or are well hidden somewhere inside the country. But the intelligence official said that possibility is very small.

Oh but you're alot smarter than these silly intelligence officials right? I mean, you've been to Iraq and have done a thorough, comprehensive study of the situation and have considered all the possibilities, and have mountains of evidence which conclude without a shadow of a doubt that Syria has Iraq's ever-so-elusive phantom WMDs?

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: MidasKnight

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: EXman
On to Syria Captain Krank!

Reading a post from you on this subject is a laugher! SO I guess you know where teh WMD's went that he had and already used? No I didn't think so. Logic was on the Iraq had WMD side but you are are only concerned with logic if it is working in your favor.

Paid liars = many many other governments I think the # was at least 7. yea right. 😀

Go apply for Dan Rathers Job He'd Love you!

Try reading for a change. It's educational. You'll find many articles showing that the Gulf War, the inspections during the 90s destroyed the WMDs, and missile strikes during the Clinton administration destroyed the WMDs and the facilities where they were made.

I suppose you know what happened to the ones Rumsfeld knew existed and he knew where they were?

Read what? Something from the Liberal media on there version of history? Then why did they have sanctions? Why the secrets. Why block the inspectors? are you blocking the obvious? Maybe Saddam was bluffing maybe saddam put them on a truck to Damascus? Who cares we were not the only one who thought he had them and that is a fact.

Rumsfeld is a Goober he couldn't find a missle if it was in his butt. And I suppose you have never been led astray to believing something untrue even if it was important. C'mon the Goober made a mistake you have not?

Here's why :

The report found that Iraq worked hard to cheat on United Nations-imposed sanctions and retain the capability to resume production of weapons of mass destruction at some time in the future. (Full story)

"[Saddam] wanted to end sanctions while preserving the capability to reconstitute his weapons of mass destruction when sanctions were lifted," a summary of the report said.

Many of the military and intelligence personnel, who had been assigned to the weapons search, are now working on counterinsurgency matters, the official said.[/b

CNN

CNN = the Clinton News Network they had worse ratings than the Daily show for "News" C'mon

did you forget this part...

The Iraq Survey Group report said that Iraq's WMD program was essentially destroyed

so it was NOT TOTALLY destroyed...

Anyhow we can argue untill we are blue in the face but Saddam laughed at the UN resolutions and he paid for it (as well as his sons.) Did you all just want this guy to give the rest of the world the finger and showing North korea that the U.N. was a powerless entity and the U.S. had no balls.

If you all would stop armchair generaling (quarterbacking) and possibly think of ways to get out w/o causing a power vacuum maybe that be a little more constructive. Me too for that matter. 😀

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: umbrella39
*crickets* from the Bush Fanbois. Par for the neocon course. Yawn. Dinosaurs became extinct, too, so will you.

Funny did you look at the last election results? Who made gains? "Da Nile" is not only a river in africa! 😛

Libs are even losing their Evening newsdesks.

I'd rather lose with truth than win with lies.

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: EXman
On to Syria Captain Krank!

Reading a post from you on this subject is a laugher! SO I guess you know where teh WMD's went that he had and already used? No I didn't think so. Logic was on the Iraq had WMD side but you are are only concerned with logic if it is working in your favor.

Paid liars = many many other governments I think the # was at least 7. yea right. 😀

Go apply for Dan Rathers Job He'd Love you!

Oh the humor abounds in this forum. Please explain how exactly " Logic was on the Iraq had WMD side", I'd really like to hear your argument. Perhaps you are a broken record stuck on the time when Bush made that speech with all those magnificent claims about Iraq's WMD, repeating that speech over and over in your head, while ignoring how the majority of those claims were systematically debunked over the following months?

Oh about your Syria comment:

Bush has expressed disappointment that no weapons or weapons programs were found, but the White House has been reluctant to call off the hunt, holding out the possibility that weapons were moved out of Iraq before the war or are well hidden somewhere inside the country. But the intelligence official said that possibility is very small.

Oh but you're alot smarter than these silly intelligence officials right? I mean, you've been to Iraq and have done a thorough, comprehensive study of the situation and have considered all the possibilities, and have mountains of evidence which conclude without a shadow of a doubt that Syria has Iraq's ever-so-elusive phantom WMDs?

So why did Saddam Laugh at the sanctions? If he didn't have them his country would have been better off. Is that so hard to understand?

Even your quote leaves the door open to weapons going to Syria. Remote or not it was possible hell they still had Oil and 18 wheelers with cash going in as the war begun.

 

[EagleKeeper]

There is still no accountability of what they admistted that they had and did not destroy.

Big concern there. Where did that stuff go and who controls it.