The science of coal

[Paratus]

Again, I'm not talking about small villages, I'm talking about whole countries, national energy infrastructures.

Well sure the end goal is to have national grids and full electrification. That takes awhile. In the mean time local renewables can (and are) start to improving quality of life

 

[ivwshane]

Well sure the end goal is to have national grids and full electrification. That takes awhile. In the mean time local renewables can (and are) start to improving quality of life

Make no mistake I'm not knocking solar I'm just talking about something bigger and more in the near long term (if that makes sense). Of course the best option in the long run is to go renewable but you have to be able to get there first and unfortunately that means cheap dirty fuels like coal and even better for them, fracking.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Win,win. President Trump attempts to withdraw from the Paris Climate Treaty. (win) Is told that even though it's not a treaty, he's not allowed to withdraw his nation. So he shows up and starts promoting fossil fuels. (another win)
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-41859283
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Over the next two weeks, negotiators hope to clarify the rulebook of the Paris climate agreement.

It is the first major meeting since President Trump announced plans to take the US out of the Paris pact last June.

Many delegates are unhappy with White House plans to promote fossil fuels here as a "solution" to climate change.

An adviser to the president is expected to take part in a pro-coal presentation in the second week of this conference, which is officially known as COP23,

Separately, a group of governors will say that the US is still committed to climate action despite Mr Trump's rejection of the Paris agreement."



Hilarity ensues.

 

[WelshBloke]

Hilarity ensues.

Well yeah. That's what the rest of the world has been saying since your country voted for the orange idiot. I'm not sure why you're pleased about it though.

 

[1sikbITCH]

Well yeah. That's what the rest of the world has been saying since your country voted for the orange idiot. I'm not sure why you're pleased about it though.

And it's embarrassing for those of us Americans with opposable thumbs that Snapperhead here thinks they are laughing with us and not at us.
Fossil fuels bahahaha why don't you force everyone back on spells and leeches while you're at it.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Win,win. President Trump attempts to withdraw from the Paris Climate Treaty. (win) Is told that even though it's not a treaty, he's not allowed to withdraw his nation. So he shows up and starts promoting fossil fuels. (another win)
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-41859283
"
Over the next two weeks, negotiators hope to clarify the rulebook of the Paris climate agreement.

It is the first major meeting since President Trump announced plans to take the US out of the Paris pact last June.

Many delegates are unhappy with White House plans to promote fossil fuels here as a "solution" to climate change.

An adviser to the president is expected to take part in a pro-coal presentation in the second week of this conference, which is officially known as COP23,

Separately, a group of governors will say that the US is still committed to climate action despite Mr Trump's rejection of the Paris agreement."



Hilarity ensues.

Such a good waterboy, a perfect little bitch lapdog. Don't worry, drumpf would never sell someone down the river who was close and trusted. Ever.

 

[K1052]

Unsubsidized wind power is getting astonishingly cheap these days, undercutting basically everything else. LCOE of wind and solar fell 6% last year alone. Not only does coal suck environmentally it is rapidly trending to the expensive side of the generation portfolio.

https://arstechnica.com/information...ainst-coal-as-cost-of-wind-solar-power-drops/

 

[Paratus]

Found this article in the economist that explains the large role renewables are now playing in Africa.

[URL]https://www.economist.com/news...frica-might-leapfrog-straight-cheap-renewable[/url]

Solar gain

Another set of innovations is offering to sidestep this problem with mini rooftop solar installations that can power a home, or slightly larger “micro-grids” that can light up a village. Rooftop solar systems usually consist of a small solar panel and a small rechargeable battery and controller which typically powers four lights, a radio and a phone charger. Most systems have a built-in connection to the mobile-phone network that allows the provider to switch it on or off remotely. Instead of shelling out $250 or so upfront for an entire system, customers can buy electricity for the equivalent of 50 cents a day using mobile money. If they run out of cash, their power is cut off until they are in funds again. Thanks to this new “paygo” model, venture capital is pouring into an industry that now has at least half a dozen significant firms. The largest of them, M-Kopa, has electrified more than 500,000 homes and is adding almost 200,000 more a year. Across the industry as a whole perhaps a million families now have rooftop power. At current rates of expansion, the total may double every 18 months or so.

 

[IronWing]

Win,win. President Trump attempts to withdraw from the Paris Climate Treaty. (win) Is told that even though it's not a treaty, he's not allowed to withdraw his nation. So he shows up and starts promoting fossil fuels. (another win)
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-41859283
"
Over the next two weeks, negotiators hope to clarify the rulebook of the Paris climate agreement.

It is the first major meeting since President Trump announced plans to take the US out of the Paris pact last June.

Many delegates are unhappy with White House plans to promote fossil fuels here as a "solution" to climate change.

An adviser to the president is expected to take part in a pro-coal presentation in the second week of this conference, which is officially known as COP23,

Separately, a group of governors will say that the US is still committed to climate action despite Mr Trump's rejection of the Paris agreement."



Hilarity ensues.

You say it's a "win, win". What do you win in this? How is your self interest being served by Trump's statements and actions concerning coal?

 

[zinfamous]

Win,win. President Trump attempts to withdraw from the Paris Climate Treaty. (win) Is told that even though it's not a treaty, he's not allowed to withdraw his nation. So he shows up and starts promoting fossil fuels. (another win)
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-41859283
"
Over the next two weeks, negotiators hope to clarify the rulebook of the Paris climate agreement.

It is the first major meeting since President Trump announced plans to take the US out of the Paris pact last June.

Many delegates are unhappy with White House plans to promote fossil fuels here as a "solution" to climate change.

An adviser to the president is expected to take part in a pro-coal presentation in the second week of this conference, which is officially known as COP23,

Separately, a group of governors will say that the US is still committed to climate action despite Mr Trump's rejection of the Paris agreement."



Hilarity ensues.

"We're #2! We're #2! We're #2!"

The chant of the pathetic deplorables, always losing and falling behind.