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The SAT is changing!!

Techie333

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Well, it is now official, the SAT I test is changing to include a writing portion and the math sections will now include algebra II (oh no....whoppee..wish they would add calculus)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Go to the college board website and check out the news on their main page..

This new SAT I area of the collegeboard.com is intended to keep you informed about the changes that are being made to the SAT I exam.

The upcoming changes that are being made include:

The former SAT Verbal Exam will become the SAT Critical Reading Exam. This test will no longer include analogies. Instead, short reading sections will be added to existing long reading passages.


A new section called the SAT Writing Exam will be added. This section will contain multiple-choice grammar questions as well as a written essay.


The SAT Math Exam will be expanded to cover three years of high school math. Instead of just covering concepts from Geometry and Algebra I, the new SAT Math Exam will contain concepts from Geometry, Algebra I and Algebra II.
These changes mark roughly the 10th time in its 76-year history that the SAT I exam has been modified.

These latest changes are being made after several years of extensive consideration by educators and psychometricians at the College Board, in consultation with individual educators and groups of academics, guidance professionals and enrollment and admission officers that regularly advise the association.

In addition, the changes were robustly debated and voted for by the association's Board of Trustees on June 27, 2002.

 
Yeah, decent, but its not 1540

/me flexes

Originally posted by: im2smrt4u
Yea, change is good...

But I'm still glad I took the SATs for (hopefully) the last time...1410 isn't too bad...

 
Great! They were making it too easy for many of those kids. 😱 Glad I passed that level.

I think requiring them to write would be great. That way it will no longer be about beating the system with techniques and we'll get to know who the really smart people are in all basic subjects.

"they should give high school students the LSAT."

I agree, Elphenix. 😀 I think LSAT should be what high school students are taking. It tests their logic skills, which is essential to understanding many subjects, including mathematics. Aaargh! I better be preparing to show off my skills in the LSAT exam this fall. Wheeeeew! 😀
 
Originally posted by: luvly
Great! They were making it too easy for many of those kids. 😱 Glad I passed that level.

I think requiring them to write would be great. That way it will no longer be about beating the system with techniques and we'll get to know who the really smart people are in all basic subjects.

"they should give high school students the LSAT."

I agree, Elphenix. 😀 I think LSAT should be what high school students are taking. It tests their logic skills, which is essential to understanding many subjects, including mathematics. Aaargh! I better be preparing to show off my skills in the LSAT exam this fall. Wheeeeew! 😀

The SAT II is supposed to test achivement in subject areas, including writing. The SAT I is supposed to test reasoning ability and aptitude and a subjective component would defeat the point. The College Board has been slowly retreating on this for years. As you know, SAT stood for "Scholastic Aptitude Test" for the first 55 years of its existence. Then in the late 1990s, charges of racism and unfairness made them change it to "Scholastic Achievement Test." Under the same pressure, they have completely abandoned any name for it at all, and if you look for an explanation of the acronym SAT, you won't find it now because SAT no longer stands for anything.
 
"The SAT II is supposed to test achivement in subject areas, including writing. The SAT I is supposed to test reasoning ability and aptitude and a subjective component would defeat the point. The College Board has been slowly retreating on this for years. As you know, SAT stood for "Scholastic Aptitude Test" for the first 55 years of its existence. Then in the late 1990s, charges of racism and unfairness made them change it to "Scholastic Achievement Test." Under the same pressure, they have completely abandoned any name for it at all, and if you look for an explanation of the acronym SAT, you won't find it now because SAT no longer stands for anything."

I understand your point there. However, as subjective as writing is, it is still an essential part of schooling. It is the basic or foundation of most subjects or of importance to most subjects.

Yes, I am aware of SAT II. But as far as I know and recall, SAT II was not required. Hence the presence of writing in SAT II is irrelevant, unless SAT II will be made mandatory. If it isn't made mandatory, then having writing in SAT is very much appropriate. The reality is, students will still have to deal with subjectivity when their speech, English, history, sociology, phil. etc. professors read their materials and give them scores. Many times, people score high in SAT but cannot seem to articulate themselves. I witness many students in the department of maths/CS/engineering who could not articulate themselves. It made communication hard for me and for others. And the worst was professors who could not articulate themselves, not in writing either.

I think much of the problem is that the aptitude testing makes it a system of logic that could be mastered. All it takes is special lessons with Kaplan, for instance, to master techniques. This makes it easy to pass the test without actual knowlege or understanding. I think therefore that testing people's writing would be an excellent means of gauging people's verbal and writing skills.

I do, however, disgree with the decision to remove the analogy section. Sometimes the analogy could be misleading and could be biased from the point of view of one's experience or lack thereof, but it's still good/reasonable for testing in my opinion.

If all of these basic courses were taken care of at high school (sad to know our taxes are often wasted to teach students nothing), then hardly would we be required to spend one or two years taking GE courses. Yes, you can challenge them, but it would be better if we didn't have to be subjected to such.
 
They keep changing this test until blacks do same as whites.
I guess if adding an essay section doesn't work, they'll add a basketball test to the SAT 🙂
It's ridiculous. I guess they will be giving extra points for essays written from a black perspective. Well, If I was white, I would write from the black perspective. Like I got 700 on SAT2 writing by making up a story about how I am a Bosnian refugee, and wrote in not so great English how my only goal in life was to get an edumacation. They asked about a personal experience in the question, and since I didn't have any interesting stories to tell, I sat there and stared at the empty sheet for 10 minutes, and then I got creative. I've never even seen a Bosnian in my life, but I guess I got some sympathy points 🙂
 
Man, for me it was so long ago I don't even remember what I got on it. I took it in my senior year on the last day it was offered, and did zero studying for it. I guess I didn't do too badly, as I was able to get into UCD.. I do, however, believe that it needs to be comprehensive, and needs to accurately measure "scholastic aptitude".
 
Originally posted by: ed21x
princeton review is already on top of it 🙂

Haha, I'll bet they are. Princeton Review is spectacular.

I'm just happy I'm not taking them again. I somehow managed to get all 19 analogies on the verbal when I took it in May! :Q I got three questions wrong in math and that made it a 730...how much does that suck!? 1480...I'll take it. 🙂

Anyway, back on topic, it seems like they're just removing the vocab test and inserting the writing SAT2. Beefing up on writing and reading sections is gonna suck...they will probably be strapped for time. Or maybe not...I finished every section with 10-15 minutes left to check over the stuff. Either way, sucks for you guys (those yet to take it). 😉

EDIT: Holy cr@p, speaking of writing SAT2s...I just got my score on it finally (just checked online) and it was not looking too good. Looks like I'll be taking that again in September before I apply to colleges. :Q 😛
 
Effective starting september I'm assuming...

I never did too good on verbal anyways... But I kicked @ss in the math section!

I gotta take SAT II writing again too🙁
 
ugh, this sux. i would love to have had this NEW test than the other one... my verbal sucked mainly cause of those damn ANALOGIES. Well, not that i'd be too much better at whatever they replace it with 😛 still, it would have been much better thn analogies..
 
Yeah, decent, but its not 1540

Or 1560 at that. If anyone wants my advice, if you plan to do post-undergraduate work, go to a moderate school like a good in-state (if you live in CA or TX or somewhere cool) school and do really well instead of going to an ivy and doing worse than you would have elsewhere. I'm in the ivy league and I want to go to dental school but I have to work 10x as hard as people at in state schools who are going to apply to dental/med school to get the same grades. Just my two cents.

Marshall
 
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