The Ryzen "ThreadRipper"... 16 cores of awesome

[mattiasnyc]

never mind,I see what you're saying...

 

[frowertr]

Gonna be tough to break into the server cpu segment and get any kind of market share away from Intel.

 

[LTC8K6]

Have you guys seen the size of this thing?

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/am...essors-16-cores-and-32-threads-confirmed.html

It's as big as the palm of your hand! I know they originally designed this with workstations in mind but damn, that thing is huge 😛

If AMD can deliver this at a reasonable price point I may be tempted to pick it up. But as I only do a moderate amount of video/photo editing I would have to see a quite significant bump in performance at a not break the bank price to move up from my R7 1700 build.

Well, he is holding the server version, which may be bigger than the HEDT version?

 

[BigDaveX]

Well, he is holding the server version, which may be bigger than the HEDT version?

Supposedly the HEDT version has the same number of pins as the server version, albeit hooked up differently, so I would guess the package size is in the same general ballpark.

 

[scannall]

Well, he is holding the server version, which may be bigger than the HEDT version?

It will be the same package size, as there are a LOT of pins. And that pretty much determines the area needed.

 

[Topweasel]

I don't think $799 is ultra-premium enough. Maybe $1000+.




$500-550?! Stop joking around. There's only 12 & 16-core ThreadRipper. Everything else you think you know are faked leakes.

Okay this might answer some questions I missed earlier for a different thread. It still doesn't fully explain why Ryzen Pro even exists if my next question is answered the way I think it will be now. I hate the fact that I missed a good portion of the stream.

Did AMD state that Ryzen Threadripper is the actual branding of the CPU? Or did they just put it up there as a codename for this package?

If so what about a Pro version. They still going to stick to the name Threadripper? I can see it now New Dell Precision Workstation offer the brand new 16 core AMD Ryzen Threadripper Pro. It's the CPU that goes to work in a tuxedo T-shirt. It's awesome but not quite EPYC.

 

[T1beriu]

Have you guys seen the size of this thing?

Slit knows its size:

SP3 is indeed a massive package. 4411mm² of surface area (AM4 is 1600mm²) 🙂

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/amd-announces-threadripper-processors-16-cores-and-32-threads-confirmed.htmll

Everything else on that link is junk. It contradicts a lot of info on AMD's leaked slides, 10 and 14 cores are technically impossible, it has 64 PCI-e lanes etc.

It still doesn't fully explain why Ryzen Pro even exists

Your answer about the Pro CPUs is here http://www.amd.com/en-us/solutions/pro

Did AMD state that Ryzen Threadripper is the actual branding of the CPU?

It's the Branding, not the codename, that is Snowly Owl. Source: http://i.imgur.com/DZMMtcc.jpg

If so what about a Pro version. They still going to stick to the name Threadripper?

They haven't talked about a Pro version but I think TR is a Pro version by itself. As such we won't see a EPYC Pro because of the same reason. HEDT is a Pro market. It would be an oxymoron.

 

[Topweasel]

Stilt confirmed that the cores+cache combination on each CCX have to be identical on both die. So only really 12 and 16 make sense. You could do 8 as well in theory.

Not to rehash an old topic. So if the MCM have to match they could still do odball CCX configurations right? So 3+2 and 3+2. This has been the hard part to getting a straight answer to because we know that AMD has sampled and had working 3+1 versions of Summit Ridge. I doubt AMD goes that route. They decided to limit all R5's and R3's to Symmetrical CCX configurations for a reason and if they hadn't they could have salvaged even more dies.

 

[IEC]

Okay this might answer some questions I missed earlier for a different thread. It still doesn't fully explain why Ryzen Pro even exists if my next question is answered the way I think it will be now. I hate the fact that I missed a good portion of the stream.

Did AMD state that Ryzen Threadripper is the actual branding of the CPU? Or did they just put it up there as a codename for this package?

If so what about a Pro version. They still going to stick to the name Threadripper? I can see it now New Dell Precision Workstation offer the brand new 16 core AMD Ryzen Threadripper Pro. It's the CPU that goes to work in a tuxedo T-shirt. It's awesome but not quite EPYC.

 

[LTC8K6]

It will be the same package size, as there are a LOT of pins. And that pretty much determines the area needed.

Looks like a huge LGA socket.

 

[Topweasel]

That was in the quote that I quoted. I was just wondering if they specified that it was the actual Product name like the did with EPYC or if they were still using the code name.

 

[nathanddrews]

But sure, it's a subset of a subset essentially.

No doubt, there will always be special scenarios like that, but I think we know it can be overcome with software that isolates latency-sensitive functions to a single CCX or better yet - Threadripper uses improved hardware over standard Ryzen (doubtful).

 

[IEC]

That was in the quote that I quoted. I was just wondering if they specified that it was the actual Product name like the did with EPYC or if they were still using the code name.

I anticipate seeing a laser-engraved "Threadripper" on a IHS in the near future... yes it's cheesy. Yes I like it.

 

[Topweasel]

I anticipate seeing a laser-engraved "Threadripper" on a IHS in the near future... yes it's cheesy. Yes I like it.

Well if that is the case then it makes some of the Ryzen Pro stuff more understandable (though not less stupid). I am with you though, instead of just tossing Extreme onto something, just give an actual brand name that screams "buy me because I so much more awesome than my boring competitor". Threadripper is both the most (or 2nd haven't decided if EPYC is more or less) childish and most awesome name you could give to a CPU.

Maybe they can have a super high end model with no numbers and call it Jack to put in the old FX slot.

 

[maddie]

What about people that need a lot of IO and memory, but not as much processing power? An 8 core, quad channel, 44 PCIe lane system.

We get 8, 12 and 16 core options as feasible. They should still make more than selling 4 core 1400 and 1500X die.

 

[Topweasel]

What about people that need a lot of IO and memory, but not as much processing power? An 8 core, quad channel, 44 PCIe lane system.

We get 8, 12 and 16 core options as feasible. They should still make more than selling 4 core 1400 and 1500X die.

I would like to think they would but I should note that it can't be a Ripper of Threads if it's only got 8 cores.

 

[AdamK47]

This certainly complicates things.

 

[Dresdenboy]

Supposedly the HEDT version has the same number of pins as the server version, albeit hooked up differently, so I would guess the package size is in the same general ballpark.

It will be the same package size, as there are a LOT of pins. And that pretty much determines the area needed.

Both of you should read page 1 of this thread, esp. The Stilt's posting.

 

[Topweasel]

Your answer about the Pro CPUs is here http://www.amd.com/en-us/solutions/pro

Yeah I got that later. Utterly pointless and sad. The funny part is they only had one link to one manufacturer with one system and that doesn't exist on their system any more. I swear it might just turn out that both this and Bristol Ridge might be some messed up requirement of HP's. I wouldn't put it past them.

It's the Branding, not the codename, that is Snowly Owl. Source: http://i.imgur.com/DZMMtcc.jpg

I always got a little wierded out by that because for the longest time Snowy Owl was rumored to be a Compute APU for servers and workstations (2xRR). So much so I assumed the Threadripper rumors were just a different CPU for that socket and would be the actual HDET CPU. It's been hard to keep up with the evolution of the rumors the last couple weeks.

They haven't talked about a Pro version but I think TR is a Pro version by itself. As such we won't see a EPYC Pro because of the same reason. HEDT is a Pro market. It would be an oxymoron.

That I am not sure about though it might not matter if Pro means the little nothing it does. Because the slide for TR specifies it as a ultra-premium DESKTOP SYSTEM. It also references HEDT specifically which again hasn't allowed Intel to sell their X79-X199 in the workstation market. They go straight from 4c i7's to Xeon's.

 

[JimKiler]

Ryzen Pro, Threadripper, and Epyc, this is impressive that AMD is releasing all these variants. I never thought they would be doing all this so early after Ryzen was released.

 

[scannall]

Hmm. I may rethink my summer plans. I had planned on building a R7 rig, after the bios and new platform bugs were squashed. But this Threadripper.... Looks tempting. I'll have to see how the price and bios shakes out.

 

[Puffnstuff]

I want to replace my 4790k this fall and now things are looking much better since both companies have announced their high core count cpu's.😀 I really want to see the R9's performance figures in the hands of trustworthy testers as well as what the new intel I9's can do.

 

[SlowSpyder]

AMD has done 200+ watt TDP CPU's in the past. The 1800X is 95 watt TDP. I would expect decent clocks out of this part. Pretty cool!!

 

[mattiasnyc]

No doubt, there will always be special scenarios like that, but I think we know it can be overcome with software that isolates latency-sensitive functions to a single CCX or better yet - Threadripper uses improved hardware over standard Ryzen (doubtful).

It possibly can be avoided in software, but I'm guessing a fair amount won't actually program that way because they have bigger issues to deal with.

 

[ddogg]

Actually $799 seems more realistic now.

If it's $799, it's most definitely going in my rig. I'm expecting the top CPU to go for $999. I'm likely going to pick up a 12/14 core CPU if the performance is good.

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