The roots of Obama's rage

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Jhhnn

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So your point is that although the Constitution is clear that Senators are equal and each state gets two, Republican Senators should restrain themselves out of respect for Democrat Senators' more numerous voters? M'kay . . .

Not really. What I am saying is that in the face of near economic collapse and foreign policy failure, Repubs show no inclination to acknowledge that such is a product of their own making and ideology, preferring, instead, to now obstruct remedial measures, while laying on their "majority" bullshit by the boatload.

You offered that claim yourself, earlier in this thread.

They claim govt is incompetent, and by their own actions attempt to make it so, claim anybody attempting the opposite to be traitors. Their loyal followers define that as patriotism, when it's nothing of the sort.
 

Pens1566

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He's probably on the watch list by now. If he isn't, he should be.

I'll use some of his quotes from another thread :

He sure fits the profile of one ...
He's got all the tell-tale signs ...
It's all there ...
 

werepossum

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Not really. What I am saying is that in the face of near economic collapse and foreign policy failure, Repubs show no inclination to acknowledge that such is a product of their own making and ideology, preferring, instead, to now obstruct remedial measures, while laying on their "majority" bullshit by the boatload.

You offered that claim yourself, earlier in this thread.

They claim govt is incompetent, and by their own actions attempt to make it so, claim anybody attempting the opposite to be traitors. Their loyal followers define that as patriotism, when it's nothing of the sort.

Part of the blame is certainly the Pubbies', specifically the removal of regulations specifically designed to isolate a financial melt-down in one major sector (investment banking or mortgage banking) from taking down another major sector. Part of the blame is also the Dems, for incessantly raising the GSE's mandate to subsidize those too poor to own homes in a particular area. That's been going on since Carter's era, largely without anything more than temporary plateaus in increases. HUD's mandates and Democrat policies (leadership of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were solid mainstream Democrats) drove the GSEs to abandon such sensible policies as verifying employment, income, credit history. Once the GSEs stopped requiring those metrics to be verified in order to buy bundled loans, banks and especially mortgage companies began writing any loans that vaguely qualified as low income or disadvantaged buyer because they were high profit and no risk - the GSEs were buying up all they could get, conformity be damned, attempting to meet their legal quotas under their HUD mandate. The crash was clearly seen by 2004-2005 - even Bush saw it. Barney Frank and Chris Dodd led the partisan fight to defend the GSEs, thus preventing the problem from being fixed. There is no guiltless party here, the Dems set the crash in motion and the Pubbies not only didn't fix it, but made sure it was not merely a crash but a potential depression - and then the Dems again, making sure the problem wasn't fixed at the last possible moment.

You can also make a valid case that Republicans borrowing and spending like drunken sailors helped crash the economy. However, you cannot make that case and then conversely claim that Democrats borrowing and spending like drunken sailors on crank is the cure.

One thing's for sure though, we'll see in November who has the majority at the moment. Given that Obama isn't being asked to campaign even in Illinois (which by the way pays higher bond rates than Mexico) and Chicago, I think you will be disappointed.
 

LittleNemoNES

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Dinesh D'Souza is a hard core right wing author of Indian origin.

He uses that fact (of his Indian origin) to claim he understands how Obama's psychology is rooted in colonialism which he got from his father (being a Kenyan and therefore from a one time colony of UK) and therefore Obama is filled with some sort of inherited rage.

Conveniently forgetting that Obama didn't get to know his father till he was a teenager. That Obama didn't grow up in Kenya. That Obama was brought up by his mother and later by his grandparents and it is the latter who had an influence on him. He hardly knew his father.

This book is a crock of shit.

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GroundedSailor

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Jesus. You get nuttier by the day. I'm sure the secret service knows what you have for breakfast at this point. :(
So you haven't noticed how he's getting more and more angry/frustrated? Just yesterday he warned if republicans take over congress, and these are his words, "It will be hand to hand combat in the house".

He's completely frustrated by this country's rejection of what he's trying to do and it's really starting to show. He has a deep seated hatred of the American way and it is that American way that is rejecting him so furiously.

You know, you make more sense when you go around trying to pick up girls in gay bars.

I suggest you go back to those bars and actually talk to those gays (and whatever girls you find there) and tell them your ideas. Should be some fun conversations.

:biggrin:

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Hayabusa Rider

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I am seeing rage from the right, Obama seems calm and collected.

He's pretty much bored. He'll surface occasionally if there's a dispute between a cop and a black professor or a mosque issue then submerge once more. I expect we'll see him a bit more often as he has a chance to do what he does best, campaign. Then its back to unreachable depths
 

trenchfoot

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D'Souza is following the time-honored tradition of making $$$$ by sensationalizing and playing off of people's imagined fears.

He is no more credible than the likes of Palin, O'Reilly, Coulter, Limbaugh, Hannity and Beck. They're all in it for the $$$. They gave up their self-respect and any sense of integrity and credibility to chase the almighty $$$ and celebrity status. Good for them, bad for us.

Pity the fools that buy their snake oil.....and believe it to be the elixir of truth. I stand back and "gaze in wild wonder" at this moronic circle jerk between these purveyors of toxic tonic and the goofs who lap it up by the barrel-full. Not more to do than shake my head in amazement at this tragic yet comedic example of mutated symbiosis.
 

theeedude

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Did you guys watch D'Souza and Hitchens debate religion? Hitchens schooled him like a little boy.
 

Jhhnn

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If Bush saw it, Werepossum, it was only to exploit it. Remember the Ownership Society, a cornerstone of his 2004 re-election campaign? You mention Bush's HUD, but how about the way the SEC let investment banks radically increase leverage in 2004, and how every other Bush regulator sought to cut red tape, making getting a loan on the house of your dreams as easy as signing the paperwork?

This wasn't an accident- it was a setup.
 

werepossum

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If Bush saw it, Werepossum, it was only to exploit it. Remember the Ownership Society, a cornerstone of his 2004 re-election campaign? You mention Bush's HUD, but how about the way the SEC let investment banks radically increase leverage in 2004, and how every other Bush regulator sought to cut red tape, making getting a loan on the house of your dreams as easy as signing the paperwork?

This wasn't an accident- it was a setup.
Bush actually pressed for legislation to fix the GSEs - remember the hearings where Democrats, led by Dodd and Frank, vehemently denied that there were any problems with Fannie and Freddie and accused the Republicans of - wait for it - racism!
 

Jhhnn

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Bush actually pressed for legislation to fix the GSEs - remember the hearings where Democrats, led by Dodd and Frank, vehemently denied that there were any problems with Fannie and Freddie and accused the Republicans of - wait for it - racism!

No he didn't- he just wanted to change their regulator, and to create plausible deniability as cover for the fallout after the looting spree was finished.

There weren't really any solvency problems with the GSE's prior to being stuffed with bunk mortgages under the watchful eye of the Bushistas. Taking them down first was similarly cover for the real problem, which was in private lending-

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2008/10/12/53802/private-sector-loans-not-fannie.html

Yeh, they securitized loans that they knew the GSE's wouldn't touch with a pole.
 

werepossum

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No he didn't- he just wanted to change their regulator, and to create plausible deniability as cover for the fallout after the looting spree was finished.

There weren't really any solvency problems with the GSE's prior to being stuffed with bunk mortgages under the watchful eye of the Bushistas. Taking them down first was similarly cover for the real problem, which was in private lending-

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2008/10/12/53802/private-sector-loans-not-fannie.html

Yeh, they securitized loans that they knew the GSE's wouldn't touch with a pole.

Mm, okay. The Republicans said there were serious problems, the Democrats (also running the GSEs) said there were no problems, the whole system crashed, and you blame - the Republicans?

Have you EVER found the Democrats guilty of anything? I mean besides not fighting the Republicans with enough vigor, obviously.

Must be hard to maintain relationships when you're so one-dimensional, what with not being visible from the sides and all . . .
 

Jhhnn

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Have you EVER found the Democrats guilty of anything? I mean besides not fighting the Republicans with enough vigor, obviously.

They were guilty of being the biggest chumps in the history of finance, brought to us all by the self regulated free market banking that Repubs had sought for decades, the same faulty structure that created the great depression.