The roots of Obama's rage

[werepossum]

If Obama moves to the center won't that piss off the Repubs as so far he's been governing from the right? Obama's kind of like Zaphod Beeblebrox. Once he became President of the Galaxy he can no longer remember why.

LOL! That would be governing from the right of Cuba, I suppose. Actually, he's still to the left of the Castro brothers who are reducing the public sector while Obama is growing it.

Obama still remembers why, but until the Dems figure out how to get enough votes from illegals and welfare mothers to overwhelm those of us with jobs they can only do so much to dismantle the country before the people revolt. The Marxist presidential spirit is willing, but the Marxist Congressional flesh is weak.

 

[Jhhnn]

LOL! That would be governing from the right of Cuba, I suppose. Actually, he's still to the left of the Castro brothers who are reducing the public sector while Obama is growing it.

Obama still remembers why, but until the Dems figure out how to get enough votes from illegals and welfare mothers to overwhelm those of us with jobs they can only do so much to dismantle the country before the people revolt. The Marxist presidential spirit is willing, but the Marxist Congressional flesh is weak.

Some of the lamest ravings yet. Your characterization of Obama as leftist shows you to be an utter fool- you're starting to come on like spidey, who thinks that the John Birch society was a communist front...

 

[werepossum]

Some of the lamest ravings yet. Your characterization of Obama as leftist shows you to be an utter fool- you're starting to come on like spidey, who thinks that the John Birch society was a communist front...

Yes, I and most of America merely fail to see Obama for the right winger he is. How fortunate we are to have a dozen or so such clever fellows here to point out how seizing control of a seventh of the country's economy from the states and centralizing that power in Washington is actually a right wing action. Won't those silly Republicans feel foolish when they figure this out! Oh, when will America recognize the American Communist Party for the reasonable centrists they really are?

At least Spidey has an understanding of right, center and left. You guys see America as five percent left, five percent center, and ninety percent raving, foaming far right.

 

[SP33Demon]

Rage? People have too much free time nowadays.

 

[werepossum]

Rage? People have too much free time nowadays.

Actually you've probably hit the nail on the head. People that are struggling to survive don't have time or energy to complain, that takes leisure time and energy. People who have a lot can look around and figure out what all we don't have.

And with that I'll go back to work. If I can lay off the damned forum I can finish my project and maybe even get a couple hours of sleep.

Although for D'Souza it is necessary that Obama have rage. No one wants to buy a book explaining why the president does what he does out of incompetence or indifference, you need powerful emotion and motivation to sell a book. Ditto the Bush-bashing book, no one wants to buy a book subtitled "How President Bush is drifting along without a clue."

 

[Steeplerot]

Yes, I and the un/misinformed few 20-30% of Americans living in a cult right-wing echo chamber merely fail to see Obama for the right winger he is.

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Turn that noise off, you are not a majority nor do you folks represent "America", give it up no one but fellow rw cultists buy that hogwash.

"Real America" brought to you by the media elite bowing to the corporations and Rush Limbaugh fat ass.

Never mind that this"majority" just happen to be old and white and retiring.

Empty barrels make the most noise.

What a joke the right wing fantasyworld has become.

 

[Jhhnn]

Yes, I and most of America merely fail to see Obama for the right winger he is. How fortunate we are to have a dozen or so such clever fellows here to point out how seizing control of a seventh of the country's economy from the states and centralizing that power in Washington is actually a right wing action. Won't those silly Republicans feel foolish when they figure this out! Oh, when will America recognize the American Communist Party for the reasonable centrists they really are?

At least Spidey has an understanding of right, center and left. You guys see America as five percent left, five percent center, and ninety percent raving, foaming far right.

Seizing control of a seventh of the country's economy? WTF are you talking about?

 

[werepossum]

Seizing control of a seventh of the country's economy? WTF are you talking about?

Health care. It was the province of the states; it is now the province of the federal government.

Don't be afraid to tell me which part you're having problems with.

 

[Moonbeam]

Health care. It was the province of the states; it is now the province of the federal government.

Don't be afraid to tell me which part you're having problems with.

I seem to recall that if you had a preexisting condition you couldn't get health insurance, or if you went past your cap on your child it was time for it to die, or you couldn't get any insurance for a sick child to begin with. Do you remember stuff like that?

 

[IronWing]

Health care. It was the province of the states; it is now the province of the federal government.

Don't be afraid to tell me which part you're having problems with.

The states were handling health care prior to the recent law?

 

[Jhhnn]

Health care. It was the province of the states; it is now the province of the federal government.

Don't be afraid to tell me which part you're having problems with.

You must mean the changes invoked by our democratically elected representatives, modified and nearly blocked by an over represented minority in the Senate?

If we, the people, enjoyed truly proportional representation in that body, we'd have a much better result.

 

[werepossum]

Wow, liberal trifecta!

I seem to recall that if you had a preexisting condition you couldn't get health insurance, or if you went past your cap on your child it was time for it to die, or you couldn't get any insurance for a sick child to begin with. Do you remember stuff like that?

Yes, I remember that. In fact, I believe those things are still true until 2014. But you have a point, there are good things about ObamaCare.

The states were handling health care prior to the recent law?

Yes, health care (or rather, the health care insurance that pays for health care for most of us) was handled by the states prior to this bill. Medicare/Medicaid was administered by the states and presumably still will be, though subject to federal oversight.

You must mean the changes invoked by our democratically elected representatives, modified and nearly blocked by an over represented minority in the Senate?

If we, the people, enjoyed truly proportional representation in that body, we'd have a much better result.

An overly represented minority? Either you believe in our system of democratically elected representatives, or you don't. Since all members of Congress* are elected by popular vote, by definition they are proportionally representing the populace. If you wish a parliamentarian system, there are a number of choices for your moving pleasure.

*The Senate that passed ObamaCare did include a record number of Senators who were appointed rather than elected - seven initially, six in the final vote. All those were Democrats. If your position is that Democrats were unfairly represented then I suppose you have a ghost of a point, but if memory serves all those replaced Democrats. Since both parties voted in lockstep in the Senate, this apparently would make no difference. In the House of course, opposition was bipartisan, whereas support was still partisan.

 

[Jhhnn]

Uhh-huh, werepossum. California nd New York have 2 Senators each, with a combined population of ~55M, while Wyoming and Alaska have 2 Senators each, with a combined population of~1.2M.

If we analyzed the voting on the healthcare bill by the number of people represented by the votes cast, we'd find out that those opposed were an extreme minority.

Not that the situation will change any time RSN, but this whole "We the People" song and dance from the Right is truly a load of crap. Repubs enjoy and exploit disproportional representation in the Senate, which is something that any honest person should recognize and acknowledge.

That doesn't fit very well with the frothy band wagon emotionalism employed by the right on a regular basis, now does it?

 

[Linflas]

Uhh-huh, werepossum. California nd New York have 2 Senators each, with a combined population of ~55M, while Wyoming and Alaska have 2 Senators each, with a combined population of~1.2M.

If we analyzed the voting on the healthcare bill by the number of people represented by the votes cast, we'd find out that those opposed were an extreme minority.

Not that the situation will change any time RSN, but this whole "We the People" song and dance from the Right is truly a load of crap. Repubs enjoy and exploit disproportional representation in the Senate, which is something that any honest person should recognize and acknowledge.

That doesn't fit very well with the frothy band wagon emotionalism employed by the right on a regular basis, now does it?

Do they really just not teach any of the principles of the American system of republican government anymore? Thsi is not a direct democracy, it is a democratic republic. There are exactly 2 Senators from each state for a reason. While much of that was negated by having Senators elected instead of appointed they still serve as a brake on the wild swings of populism in many cases.

 

[werepossum]

Uhh-huh, werepossum. California nd New York have 2 Senators each, with a combined population of ~55M, while Wyoming and Alaska have 2 Senators each, with a combined population of~1.2M.

If we analyzed the voting on the healthcare bill by the number of people represented by the votes cast, we'd find out that those opposed were an extreme minority.

Not that the situation will change any time RSN, but this whole "We the People" song and dance from the Right is truly a load of crap. Repubs enjoy and exploit disproportional representation in the Senate, which is something that any honest person should recognize and acknowledge.

That doesn't fit very well with the frothy band wagon emotionalism employed by the right on a regular basis, now does it?

Ah, I see your point. Go back to the founding of our nation. Senators are there to protect the state, to stop the populous states from abusing the less populous states. Representatives are there to protect and represent the people. Were it simply proportional representation it would have been insane for small or sparsely populated states to join the union at all.

You might also want to check out Texas, Florida, Delaware and Rhode Island, which are close (though not completely) indirectly analogous to New York, California, Wyoming and Alaska. Two big red states, two small blue states.

 

[spidey07]

His rage is starting to show as he realizes this country is rejecting everything he views and his agenda. Watch and listen to him on his recent appearances and when he's questioned by The People. He gets aggravated, frustrated that people aren't buying his bullshit anymore. He's about to lose it mentally, he's pretty close to a full on breakdown.

On the topic of him moving to the center after republicans take control of congress - it's not going to happen. It's not in him to do so as this book explains. His hatred of the American way of life is deeply ingrained, he's a true believer in his radical ideology. As he once said "I'm the one we've been waiting for" (we meaning the radical marxist America haters)".

FBHO

 

[Jhhnn]

His rage is starting to show as he realizes this country is rejecting everything he views and his agenda. Watch and listen to him on his recent appearances and when he's questioned by The People. He gets aggravated, frustrated that people aren't buying his bullshit anymore. He's about to lose it mentally, he's pretty close to a full on breakdown.

Projecting your own mental state onto others, again, I see...

 

[Pens1566]

His rage is starting to show as he realizes this country is rejecting everything he views and his agenda. Watch and listen to him on his recent appearances and when he's questioned by The People. He gets aggravated, frustrated that people aren't buying his bullshit anymore. He's about to lose it mentally, he's pretty close to a full on breakdown.

On the topic of him moving to the center after republicans take control of congress - it's not going to happen. It's not in him to do so as this book explains. His hatred of the American way of life is deeply ingrained, he's a true believer in his radical ideology. As he once said "I'm the one we've been waiting for" (we meaning the radical marxist America haters)".

FBHO

Jesus. You get nuttier by the day. I'm sure the secret service knows what you have for breakfast at this point.

 

[boomerang]

Uhh-huh, werepossum. California nd New York have 2 Senators each, with a combined population of ~55M, while Wyoming and Alaska have 2 Senators each, with a combined population of~1.2M.

If we analyzed the voting on the healthcare bill by the number of people represented by the votes cast, we'd find out that those opposed were an extreme minority.

Not that the situation will change any time RSN, but this whole "We the People" song and dance from the Right is truly a load of crap. Repubs enjoy and exploit disproportional representation in the Senate, which is something that any honest person should recognize and acknowledge.

That doesn't fit very well with the frothy band wagon emotionalism employed by the right on a regular basis, now does it?

Just think what you could accomplish with a true Dictator in office.

The rationalizations employed by progressives are truly entertaining. But after reading your post, I now fully understand why you feel the Constitution is getting in your way.

 

[spidey07]

Jesus. You get nuttier by the day. I'm sure the secret service knows what you have for breakfast at this point.

So you haven't noticed how he's getting more and more angry/frustrated? Just yesterday he warned if republicans take over congress, and these are his words, "It will be hand to hand combat in the house".

He's completely frustrated by this country's rejection of what he's trying to do and it's really starting to show. He has a deep seated hatred of the American way and it is that American way that is rejecting him so furiously.

 

[Jhhnn]

Ah, I see your point. Go back to the founding of our nation. Senators are there to protect the state, to stop the populous states from abusing the less populous states. Representatives are there to protect and represent the people. Were it simply proportional representation it would have been insane for small or sparsely populated states to join the union at all.

You might also want to check out Texas, Florida, Delaware and Rhode Island, which are close (though not completely) indirectly analogous to New York, California, Wyoming and Alaska. Two big red states, two small blue states.

Florida is a swing state. The only truly populous red state is Texas, #2, followed at a distance by Georgia, #10. On balance, repubs carry a lot more weight in the Senate than they do in the general population.

Red states also benefit immensely from receiving more in federal dollars than they put in-

http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/show/266.html

Not that I have a problem with that, other than the idea that they seem to be using it to maintain their own socioeconomic backwardness while attempting to impose it on the rest of us, too.

Traditionally, income distribution in the South, the reddest of the red states, is highly unequal, and the poverty rate high. Just what republican leaders seem to want for the rest of us.

 

[JSt0rm]

 

[yllus]

Oh, come on. Dude's one of the most chill people on the planet.

 

[Jhhnn]

Just think what you could accomplish with a true Dictator in office.

The rationalizations employed by progressives are truly entertaining. But after reading your post, I now fully understand why you feel the Constitution is getting in your way.

If your partisan lameness weren't so pathetic, it'd be funny.

As I've offered, the Constitution is what it is, warts and all, and that won't change, nor do I necessarily think it should. All parties need to recognize the truth of just how unequal Senate representation really is, however, and quit pretending that repubs aren't abusing their minority prerogatives in unprecedented fashion.

Dems would do well to target Senate races in less populous states as a way to correct that imbalance.

 

[werepossum]

If your partisan lameness weren't so pathetic, it'd be funny.

As I've offered, the Constitution is what it is, warts and all, and that won't change, nor do I necessarily think it should. All parties need to recognize the truth of just how unequal Senate representation really is, however, and quit pretending that repubs aren't abusing their minority prerogatives in unprecedented fashion.

Dems would do well to target Senate races in less populous states as a way to correct that imbalance.

So your point is that although the Constitution is clear that Senators are equal and each state gets two, Republican Senators should restrain themselves out of respect for Democrat Senators' more numerous voters? M'kay . . .

On Obama's rage - someone (Rush?) played a clip of Obama saying that if the Republicans take the House there will be "hand to hand fighting" for two years. However, he said it in much the same tone as if the TelePrompter told him to say that the White House cafeteria was out of broccoli and would be substituting Brussels sprouts. Curious disconnect.