The role of meat and fire in human evolution.

[whm1974]

Now reading up on human evolution it seems that meat eating started the process of of our oldest ancestors becoming human, but the learning how to control fire and especially using to it cook food is what lead them down that path towards us.

Cooking not only made meat safer to eat, but also rendered otherwise toxic plants into food sources that made available a larger range and increasing survival rates.

Anyone have any thought about this? I'll post links once I find them again.

 

[sdifox]

What kind of thought are you expecting?

 

[KB]

There is no doubt that cooking was a revolution for humanity. Cooking meat increased the digestible calories for early humans, meaning they were able to extract additional calories from the same amount of food, to feed their growing brains.

https://www.shape.com/healthy-eating/diet-tips/can-cooking-high-fat-foods-increase-their-calories

 

[zinfamous]

It's generally considered the food that fed our cerebellum as that part of our brain grew larger and larger to further define us as modern humans. For millions of years, there was no other source of protein and iron that could feed that need. Good old red meat.

We certainly evolved to eat meat, and cooking and food processing was an essential, non-replaceable tool that allowed that to happen.

"Raw diet" morons can go eff themselves. /side rant

What I always wondered...how many forests were burned to the ground as idiot humans were first starting to figure that out?

 

[whm1974]

It's generally considered the food that fed our cerebellum as that part of our brain grew larger and larger to further define us as modern humans. For millions of years, there was no other source of protein and iron that could feed that need. Good old red meat.

We certainly evolved to eat meat, and cooking and food processing was an essential, non-replaceable tool that allowed that to happen.

"Raw diet" morons can go eff themselves. /side rant

What I always wondered...how many forests were burned to the ground as idiot humans were first starting to figure that out?

Yeah as far I know folks eating a raw diet don't thrive well on it. Plus meat eating also provides a good amount of B12 and Zinc as well.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

[QUOTE="zinfamous, post: 39423458, member: 198296


What I always wondered...how many forests were burned to the ground as idiot humans were first starting to figure that out? [/QUOTE]
Not as many as were purposely set on fire.

 

[zinfamous]

Not as many as were purposely set on fire.

That's a good point--it would be a devastating technology employed against rival tribes and groups. However, for much of those early periods, Human were still highly nomadic, relatively small groups that didn't have much need for forests. The first civilizations probably began popping up in desert areas (well if we ignore what was going on in Mesoamerica, probably at the same time--then again, those folks cleared out epic hectares of forest land).

...but that makes me curious. One wonders if that could be a contributing factor to keeping human tribes nomadic for generations and generations longer than they otherwise would have been, further delaying technology and progress that would have happened earlier with organized cities. It doesn't make much sense to settle if you are constantly being burned out of your land. Then you start finding folks gathering in fertile plains and desert regions, where weaponized fire isn't going to have that kind of an impact.

 

[sdifox]

It's generally considered the food that fed our cerebellum as that part of our brain grew larger and larger to further define us as modern humans. For millions of years, there was no other source of protein and iron that could feed that need. Good old red meat.

We certainly evolved to eat meat, and cooking and food processing was an essential, non-replaceable tool that allowed that to happen.

"Raw diet" morons can go eff themselves. /side rant

What I always wondered...how many forests were burned to the ground as idiot humans were first starting to figure that out?

I think they found vha

That's a good point--it would be a devastating technology employed against rival tribes and groups. However, for much of those early periods, Human were still highly nomadic, relatively small groups that didn't have much need for forests. The first civilizations probably began popping up in desert areas (well if we ignore what was going on in Mesoamerica, probably at the same time--then again, those folks cleared out epic hectares of forest land).

...but that makes me curious. One wonders if that could be a contributing factor to keeping human tribes nomadic for generations and generations longer than they otherwise would have been, further delaying technology and progress that would have happened earlier with organized cities. It doesn't make much sense to settle if you are constantly being burned out of your land. Then you start finding folks gathering in fertile plains and desert regions, where weaponized fire isn't going to have that kind of an impact.

Food is migratory, you follow the food.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

That's a good point--it would be a devastating technology employed against rival tribes and groups. However, for much of those early periods, Human were still highly nomadic, relatively small groups that didn't have much need for forests. The first civilizations probably began popping up in desert areas (well if we ignore what was going on in Mesoamerica, probably at the same time--then again, those folks cleared out epic hectares of forest land).

...but that makes me curious. One wonders if that could be a contributing factor to keeping human tribes nomadic for generations and generations longer than they otherwise would have been, further delaying technology and progress that would have happened earlier with organized cities. It doesn't make much sense to settle if you are constantly being burned out of your land. Then you start finding folks gathering in fertile plains and desert regions, where weaponized fire isn't going to have that kind of an impact.

Forests occur mainly in temperate zones which are far more conducive to civilization. It's all too common to think our ancestors weren't as intelligent as modern man but, the key to survival and the cornerstone of science is observation.

 

[whm1974]

Forests occur mainly in temperate zones which are far more conducive to civilization. It's all too common to think our ancestors weren't as intelligent as modern man but, the key to survival and the cornerstone of science is observation.

I wonder if modern civilization tends to allow a large amount of the stupid to survive and reproduce who otherwise would have been killed off early on by their stupidity?

 

[sandorski]

I think they found vha



Food is migratory, you follow the food.

Their refrigerator was literally running.

 

[Red Squirrel]

I like to eat the souls of my enemies, with fries on the side.

 

[dasherHampton]

Ancient humanoids came across animals that had died in a fire, tried the roasted meat, and immediately made controlling fire the #1 scientific priority of all time.

 

[whm1974]

Found this article from SAPIENS that mention that raw meat sliced and /or chopped up is far easier to chew and swallow then whole meat. So maybe the use of at least sharp rocks should be considered as a role as well?
https://www.sapiens.org/body/early-humans-and-raw-meat/

 

[ElFenix]

I think they found vha



Food is migratory, you follow the food.

if we'd subsisted solely on swallows, we'd never have left africa

 

[Red Squirrel]

Blood type can also play a role in the diet you should follow, though it's probably more of a guide line than a rule. I'm type A negative so technically I should avoid most meat. I don't avoid meat completely but I happen to not eat it a lot. Not really because I try to follow this diet, just so happens that I don't eat a lot of it.

https://www.livestrong.com/article/291595-diet-for-a-negative-blood/

I'm not sold on the whole grains part though, there's lot of studies now saying that grain based diet is actually really bad for you. Then again there's lot of studies saying it's good too, can't really take any of this stuff to heart because nobody, even scientists, have it figured out. Everything in moderation is probably the only thing you can really go by.

 

[Darwin333]

I wonder if modern civilization tends to allow a large amount of the stupid to survive and reproduce who otherwise would have been killed off early on by their stupidity?

Absolutely. There were no warning labels on the sabertooth tigers saying "warning, may eat you before you eat it".

The real question to ponder is did stupidity get more people killed during those early days when there was virtually no society to help or after the invention of alcohol?

 

[whm1974]

Blood type can also play a role in the diet you should follow, though it's probably more of a guide line than a rule. I'm type A negative so technically I should avoid most meat. I don't avoid meat completely but I happen to not eat it a lot. Not really because I try to follow this diet, just so happens that I don't eat a lot of it.

https://www.livestrong.com/article/291595-diet-for-a-negative-blood/

The blood type diet is a bunch of nonsense started in Japan. What in Hell does your blood type have to do what foods you should or shouldn't eat?

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

I wonder if modern civilization tends to allow a large amount of the stupid to survive and reproduce who otherwise would have been killed off early on by their stupidity?

Very much so. That's why I don't begrudge many "celebrities" their money. They'd literally die without it.

 

[Denly]

I wonder if modern civilization tends to allow a large amount of the stupid to survive and reproduce who otherwise would have been killed off early on by their stupidity?

Yes, it open up a whole can of worm since we bet natural selection and go in to god mode. With the adv in medical science, our population will continue to grow until the dead end(see agent Smith) unless we able to break from earth.

 

[kage69]

Food is migratory, you follow the food.

Stoned ape. Let's talk about it.

Shroom vs meat : name your neural development champion

 

[child of wonder]

If fire and cooking meat is what helped us evolve to where we are today then it is responsible for the CIS HETERO NORMATIVE WHITE PATRIARCHY AND WE MUST OUTLAW FIRE AND MEAT.

 

[whm1974]

If fire and cooking meat is what helped us evolve to where we are today then it is responsible for the CIS HETERO NORMATIVE WHITE PATRIARCHY AND WE MUST OUTLAW FIRE AND MEAT.

Yawn!!! Whatever....

 

[zinfamous]

If fire and cooking meat is what helped us evolve to where we are today then it is responsible for the CIS HETERO NORMATIVE WHITE PATRIARCHY AND WE MUST OUTLAW FIRE AND MEAT.

well, he does make a point...

 

[sdifox]

The blood type diet is a bunch of nonsense started in Japan. What in Hell does your blood type have to do what foods you should or shouldn't eat?

So, like most diet plan then?