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"Uh-huh."

This has been explained many times before. Internet popularity does not necessarily equal real popularity. A bunch of people at a NYC Borders to get Paul's book might indeed mean real popularity, or it might just mean a lot of people hollered about it on the internet to get a bunch of folks to show up.



 
"A little spot in Texas? The people of this nation will get tired of our governing class regardless of however much you want to foster an unrepresentative and hostile central government. Paul isn't the solution to the problem, he is merely a man speaking the message that all men should be speaking.

If what he said does not appeal to you, then the socialist/neocon parties should. As the left and right merge to create larger government we will continue to better organize and I assure you it won't be a "little spot in Texas". "

Oh please. Go and put someone else in your box of unacceptable people. My disagreement with Paul and his wacky ideas doesn't automatically make me a baby seal slaughterer. Take a pill and sit down. Paul's message is BS as far as I am concerned. I disagree with him and it. Blow that Paulsmoke up someone else's ass.

Or have I lost the right to think Ron Paul is an idiot?

The people are going to get tired of our governing class? When man! When! ???
Ron Paul is clearly a member of the governing class. He's a rich politician who has no idea about life for average folks and no interest in it. How is that any different than the rest of the governing class?


 
Originally posted by: LTC8K6
"Uh-huh."

This has been explained many times before. Internet popularity does not necessarily equal real popularity. A bunch of people at a NYC Borders to get Paul's book might indeed mean real popularity, or it might just mean a lot of people hollered about it on the internet to get a bunch of folks to show up.
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Well we do have this sort of thing going on repeatedly in cities throughout the nation. paul continues to fill halls wherever he goes. When new people get to listen they hear this kind of trash comments/questions followed by logical responses that are difficult to ignore.
This tends to have great appeal to thinking peoples. If you want to call that "internet support" then so be it.

 
Originally posted by: LTC8K6
Oh please. Go and put someone else in your box of unacceptable people. My disagreement with Paul and his wacky ideas doesn't automatically make me a baby seal slaughterer. Take a pill and sit down. Paul's message is BS as far as I am concerned. I disagree with him and it. Blow that Paulsmoke up someone else's ass.

Or have I lost the right to think Ron Paul is an idiot?
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Your disagreement places you on the same side as the socalists/neocons. In stark contrast to those who believe in liberty of the people over the authority of a distant and unrepresentative government.

It's a simple choice really. You can speak in favor of, or against libertarian values. Your words above suggest you speak against them. Go ahead and tell me I'm wrong, you'll merely be contradicting yourself. Though I always welcome clarification and a change of heart.

The people are going to get tired of our governing class? When man! When! ???
Ron Paul is clearly a member of the governing class. He's a rich politician who has no idea about life for average folks and no interest in it. How is that any different than the rest of the governing class?
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You don't appear to hear the words that are spoken, if you see no difference between those who would expand our government and those of us who oppose that expansion.
 
Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: LTC8K6
Oh please. Go and put someone else in your box of unacceptable people. My disagreement with Paul and his wacky ideas doesn't automatically make me a baby seal slaughterer. Take a pill and sit down. Paul's message is BS as far as I am concerned. I disagree with him and it. Blow that Paulsmoke up someone else's ass.

Or have I lost the right to think Ron Paul is an idiot?
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Your disagreement places you on the same side as the socalists/neocons. In stark contrast to those who believe in liberty of the people over the authority of a distant and unrepresentative government.

It's a simple choice really. You can speak in favor of, or against libertarian values. Your words above suggest you speak against them. Go ahead and tell me I'm wrong, you'll merely be contradicting yourself. Though I always welcome clarification and a change of heart.

The people are going to get tired of our governing class? When man! When! ???
Ron Paul is clearly a member of the governing class. He's a rich politician who has no idea about life for average folks and no interest in it. How is that any different than the rest of the governing class?
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You don't appear to hear the words that are spoken, if you see no difference between those who would expand our government and those of us who oppose that expansion.
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One does NOT need to support Ron Paul to support many libertarian values. Many of us who may support SOME of what RP represents are just too turned off by his lunacy to vote for him...
 
Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: LTC8K6
Oh please. Go and put someone else in your box of unacceptable people. My disagreement with Paul and his wacky ideas doesn't automatically make me a baby seal slaughterer. Take a pill and sit down. Paul's message is BS as far as I am concerned. I disagree with him and it. Blow that Paulsmoke up someone else's ass.

Or have I lost the right to think Ron Paul is an idiot?
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Your disagreement places you on the same side as the socalists/neocons. In stark contrast to those who believe in liberty of the people over the authority of a distant and unrepresentative government.

It's a simple choice really. You can speak in favor of, or against libertarian values. Your words above suggest you speak against them. Go ahead and tell me I'm wrong, you'll merely be contradicting yourself. Though I always welcome clarification and a change of heart.

The people are going to get tired of our governing class? When man! When! ???
Ron Paul is clearly a member of the governing class. He's a rich politician who has no idea about life for average folks and no interest in it. How is that any different than the rest of the governing class?
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You don't appear to hear the words that are spoken, if you see no difference between those who would expand our government and those of us who oppose that expansion.
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I diagree with Ron Paul because his solutions are nothing more than smoke and mirrors and an effort benefit from the reactionaries who will do anything to reverse the current economic state. His ideals are, for the most part, so anti-federalist that you wonder why he bothers to participate in government at all.

I just don't agree with about 90% of what he says, but that doesn't make me anything more than a guy who dislikes Ron Paul. I'm not a sheep or a muppet or a puppet or anything.
 
Originally posted by: BlinderBomber
His ideals are, for the most part, so anti-federalist that you wonder why he bothers to participate in government at all.
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Are you saying he should ignore the problems of the federal government micro-managing every aspect of our society? Choosing not to participate in government is surefire way to allow authoritarians to run roughshod over you.

And his anti-federalism is why a lot of us support him.

Clearly you haven't thought this through.
 
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: BlinderBomber
His ideals are, for the most part, so anti-federalist that you wonder why he bothers to participate in government at all.
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Are you saying he should ignore the problems of the federal government micro-managing every aspect of our society? Choosing not to participate in government is surefire way to allow authoritarians to run roughshod over you.

And his anti-federalism is why a lot of us support him.

Clearly you haven't thought this through.
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Thanks for the vote of confidence. :roll:

Any meaningful changes that occur will happen slowly. I don't want my elected leader blabbing about destroying the federal reserve, removing all US military personnel from around the world, dismissing 75% of the federal government, and eliminating all government regulation because that won't help anything. Regardless of how stupid I think most of his ideas are (and how much damage they would do to this country), we need someone who's willing to work within the system to reform it and make the small changes that tantamount to the big changes that most people desire. Electing Ron Paul is like bringing down the hammer on metal with no anvil beneath it.
 
Originally posted by: BlinderBomber
His ideals are, for the most part, so anti-federalist that you wonder why he bothers to participate in government at all.
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Maybe for the same reason you vote?
 
Originally posted by: BlinderBomber
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: BlinderBomber
His ideals are, for the most part, so anti-federalist that you wonder why he bothers to participate in government at all.
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Are you saying he should ignore the problems of the federal government micro-managing every aspect of our society? Choosing not to participate in government is surefire way to allow authoritarians to run roughshod over you.

And his anti-federalism is why a lot of us support him.

Clearly you haven't thought this through.
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Thanks for the vote of confidence. :roll:

Any meaningful changes that occur will happen slowly. I don't want my elected leader blabbing about destroying the federal reserve, removing all US military personnel from around the world, dismissing 75% of the federal government, and eliminating all government regulation because that won't help anything. Regardless of how stupid I think most of his ideas are (and how much damage they would do to this country), we need someone who's willing to work within the system to reform it and make the small changes that tantamount to the big changes that most people desire. Electing Ron Paul is like bringing down the hammer on metal with no anvil beneath it.
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Small reforms, that's a great idea. If you were on the Titanic, would you have tried bailing the water out with a teaspoon?

The US federal government is out of control and growing far more rapidly than it ever has and the effects of these federal power grabs have been detrimental to this country. The war in Iraq, the war on drugs, a broken social security system that sucks up money with no intention of being able to fulfill it's obligations, a department of education which does the same.

What exactly will small reform get us with the yearly tidal wave of new, increasingly intrusive and expensive legislation? Small reform is using a teaspoon on the Titanic. Scoop water as fast as you want, you're still going to sink.
 
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Thank gawd zealots are only a slice in the outer bounds of a normal distrubtion of the population. As such, your influence is marginal, thankfully.
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Considering that "the normal distribution of the population" think highly of people like Bush, McCain, and the Clintons, is it really a surprise?
 
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Thank gawd zealots are only a slice in the outer bounds of a normal distrubtion of the population. As such, your influence is marginal, thankfully.
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Considering that "the normal distribution of the population" think highly of people like Bush, McCain, and the Clintons, is it really a surprise?
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I would much rather deal with those people than ones who think that putting us back to the 1800s is the best way to run a country.

 
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Thank gawd zealots are only a slice in the outer bounds of a normal distrubtion of the population. As such, your influence is marginal, thankfully.
Click to expand...

Considering that "the normal distribution of the population" think highly of people like Bush, McCain, and the Clintons, is it really a surprise?
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I would much rather deal with those people than ones who think that putting us back to the 1800s is the best way to run a country.
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Oh, and things are so grand right now, eh? 😉

No one is talking about putting us back into the 1800's. It's about political philosophy, not standard of living.
 
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Thank gawd zealots are only a slice in the outer bounds of a normal distrubtion of the population. As such, your influence is marginal, thankfully.
Click to expand...

Considering that "the normal distribution of the population" think highly of people like Bush, McCain, and the Clintons, is it really a surprise?
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I would much rather deal with those people than ones who think that putting us back to the 1800s is the best way to run a country.
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Oh, and things are so grand right now, eh? 😉

No one is talking about putting us back into the 1800's. It's about political philosophy, not standard of living.
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Things are pretty fucking good here. People bitch, but they don't think about how bad it is in other places. It's akin to the old proverb that goes something like this...

"when one climbs a mountain to the summit they lose the ability to see the mountain itself"

In many ways the two are tied together. Look at Cuba. East Germany. China. Venezuela.

Sure, you may point out those are communist countries or dictatorships and that it couldn't happen in America. However, all clung to the ideology that slowed down their progress. You might also point out that China is progressing quickly, but per capita, they aren't.

The standard of living that would come out of RP's policies would set us back tremendously.
 
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Thank gawd zealots are only a slice in the outer bounds of a normal distrubtion of the population. As such, your influence is marginal, thankfully.
Click to expand...

Considering that "the normal distribution of the population" think highly of people like Bush, McCain, and the Clintons, is it really a surprise?
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I would much rather deal with those people than ones who think that putting us back to the 1800s is the best way to run a country.
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I would much rather deal with your idea of fringe than those who hyperbole the protection of our god given rights as "putting us back to the 1800s".
 
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