The Republican Party Is Now in Its End Stages

[pmv]

They get away with it by not saying the quiet bits out loud. As they become more overtly extreme they get louder about their views. This then turns a bigger number of people away from them as a party.
You are either going to end up with a schism in the political right in the US or a bunch of centre right people are going to be politically disenfranchised with the more centrists being hoovered up by the Democrats.
Either way it doesnt look good for the modern GOP. Cant say I'm upset about that, that party is broken.

Well, they get away with it because the broken electoral system means they can cope with turning people away, as they don't need to get anything like majority support.

2 weeks ago Mitch said in the Senate Trump was responsible for the insurrection. Today he said on Fox he would support Trump in 2024 if he runs.

Sorry to break it to folks, there is no big division in the GOP. Between voter suppression and the cult like base, they are just a worse form of the GOP now.

But whose interests do they represent? In the end parties exist to represent the self-interests of particular factions of society. I'm just not entirely convinced the Republicans can maintain their coalition when the interests of the different parts of it seem to be diverging. Parties have died in the past, because the changing conditions meant the constituencies they existed to represent didn't really exist any more as the constellation of social groups had re-arranged themselves.

And parties need more than just voters, they need funders, and activists, and intellectuals to generate ideas.

I mean, I don't know, I don't have a crystal ball, but it doesn't look good for the Republican Party right now.

 

[zzyzxroad]

Look up the definition to both words. They're not opposed in practice or in theory.

Righties and Lefties can both be fascists, but communism is on the political left of the spectrum. This is a pretty bad hill for you to defend.

I believe the current General Secretary of the Chinese Communist Party has some fascist tendencies.

I'd add that outside of a concept communism isn't even real. Never has been and never will be. Human nature will simply not allow it to ever exist at any scale larger than a hippie commune.

 

[thilanliyan]

What's that saying about Repubs giving up democracy before party/power (or something like that)?

That's what they're doing now, with their war on "fraudulent" voting. They're at a cross-roads and they will choose the path that will give them the best chance of winning, ie. voter suppression and Trump with his base. IMO unless Trump is in jail by 2024, they have a good chance of taking back house, senate, presidency in the next election.

 

[zinfamous]

Read it.
Feel like I need to to take a step back before really comment.
Need to brush up on my old USSR notes to refresh on 1960-1980's Soviet Union but the following parallels are passing the initial sniff test.





https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/el...lls-would-restrict-voting-wake-trump-n1256821

It's a good read, but the problem with comparing the issues compounding the dying USSR communist party with the current GOP is that in the USSR, there was only the communist party. There were only 5 or 10 people in charge. The party was the nation. I think invoking Brezhnev is apt, but no matter what GOP acolytes think about themselves being "Real America," this is only ever in their heads. In the USSR, there was no bandying about where power lay in the nation...and as such, it was that much more stark to see those true failures from the perspective of the citizens.

Here, the GOP can go on acting as the clown act next to the vastly more competent Democratic party, as it has done now for decades, so there is no "The GOP is the country." Never has been. And even within the GOP, those rats are all eating out their own assholes to spite their rivals, likely fighting over the Trump problem...which will win out in the end. If anything, the comparison is between the "true believers" in conservative nonsense like Mitch McConnel that want to think Trump isn't the party, and the rest of the actual party that is full-on koolaid asshole-eating rats, willing to bleed out for Trump. ....but that won't kill the party, and it won't meet a paradigm shift for the country. The party will just admit to being what it always was: a fascist, theocratic dictatorship ruled by a handful of oligarchs, all eating each other for the chance to rule over a bunch of illiterate peasants.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Lol it's like you guys want to write a continuous documentary called "Why we continue to and forever will continue to lose elections"

Your general lack of understanding of what the middle class is, what they stand for, and what they want is what's really hilarious and shows the self delusion.

Anyhow, carry on. Keep on losing elections.

 

[zinfamous]

Lol it's like you guys want to write a continuous documentary called "Why we continue to and forever will continue to lose elections"

Your general lack of understanding of what the middle class is, what they stand for, and what they want is what's really hilarious and shows the self delusion.

Anyhow, carry on. Keep on losing elections.

huh? what elections were lost by democrats over the last 2 years?

This will be interesting.

serious question: are you off your brain pills this week?

 

[dank69]

Well, they get away with it because the broken electoral system means they can cope with turning people away, as they don't need to get anything like majority support.






But whose interests do they represent? In the end parties exist to represent the self-interests of particular factions of society. I'm just not entirely convinced the Republicans can maintain their coalition when the interests of the different parts of it seem to be diverging. Parties have died in the past, because the changing conditions meant the constituencies they existed to represent didn't really exist any more as the constellation of social groups had re-arranged themselves.

And parties need more than just voters, they need funders, and activists, and intellectuals to generate ideas.

I mean, I don't know, I don't have a crystal ball, but it doesn't look good for the Republican Party right now.

They represent everyone that would rather starve in the streets than vote for a filthy Democrat.

 

[woolfe9998]

Your statement is not really true.

I never said you cant have both in the same country.

BUT, if you actually know these things, if you know politics, if you know society, then fascism and communism are on opposite ends of ideologies.
Also, if you know history, and you know what's going on right now, most of the people who call themselves communists are not even close to actual communists. Its just a label and its horse shit. Like Christians. Most Christians in the 21st century are nothing like Christ. Not even close.

And like I said, it was a general PSA. And I'm now wishing I had not brought it up.

The article explicitly states that the comparison is not ideological. Which is the problem with commenting without reading.

 

[Puffnstuff]

They should just stop beating around the bush and call themselves by their maiden name....the KKK.

 

[Meghan54]

PSA:

Fascists and Communists are on opposite ends of the spectrum.

And another commenting without reading the linked article.

 

[skyking]

huh? what elections were lost by democrats over the last 2 years?

This will be interesting.

serious question: are you off your brain pills this week?

yeah I am really hating that twofer they lost in Georgia. The one that handed over the Senate? Just hated it.

 

[MrSquished]

Lol it's like you guys want to write a continuous documentary called "Why we continue to and forever will continue to lose elections"

Your general lack of understanding of what the middle class is, what they stand for, and what they want is what's really hilarious and shows the self delusion.

Anyhow, carry on. Keep on losing elections.

Without a combination of the electoral college, gerrymandering and voter suppression, Democrats would have had both elected branches of government for the majority of the last 20 years.

 

[Commodus]

I'm not sure I'd say the party is irredeemable at this point, but any substantive reform will likely need a bubble to pop. It ought to lose in 2022 and 2024; obstructionists like McConnell need to go (and likely will based on age), as do Trumpists like Greene and Jordan. Basically, it needs a shock to the system to make it clear the party's current approach is untenable.

 

[Bitek]

I'm not sure I'd say the party is irredeemable at this point, but any substantive reform will likely need a bubble to pop. It ought to lose in 2022 and 2024; obstructionists like McConnell need to go (and likely will based on age), as do Trumpists like Greene and Jordan. Basically, it needs a shock to the system to make it clear the party's current approach is untenable.

Unfortunately, I think they benefit from too many structural advantages to not be sufficiently punished for their stupidity, and thus do not suffer enough to motivate change.

 

[ivwshane]

The Republican Party has been dead for several years now. Sure the Republican Party does indeed exist but it’s in name only. History says another party will emerge, my guess is that will happen sooner rather than later. Right now the Republican Party is basically a cult but I don’t think it can maintain its cult status for very long, reality is just too contrarian to their beliefs that only the most indoctrinated will be able to ignore it going forward.

 

[StinkyPinky]

Who are the good people?
Who are evil?

Right now just about one half of America thinks the other half is evil.
And you know what's really fuckin funny?
THAT HALF thinks the OTHER HALF is evil!!!

Yeah but one half is right. If you vote for GOP right now you're not a decent person. Sorry but that's the truth.

 

[Commodus]

Unfortunately, I think they benefit from too many structural advantages to not be sufficiently punished for their stupidity, and thus do not suffer enough to motivate change.

You could well be right. I'm just imagining some point at which even their voter suppression efforts stop working and they realize they have to either change or fade into irrelevance. Maybe not in 2024, mind you...

 

[woolfe9998]

Which is why I keep saying there must be an end to the filibuster for voting rights legislation. Manchin promised not to end it. He didn't promise not to end it for one specific type of legislation. If they pass a voting rights bill that is worded properly, all those voter suppression laws go away.

Contributor: How a voting-rights exception to the filibuster could help shore up our democracy

A voting-rights exception to the filibuster is a middle ground. It would preserve the filibuster and make it easier to enact voting-rights legislation.

www.latimes.com

 

[1prophet]

Pretty much the GOP is now transitioning into a proto-fascistic cult based around a 'charismatic' ultra-nationalistic, xenophobic, jingoistic, pathologically lying leader similar to what happened in Italy and Germany in the 1920's and 30's

Whose power now as back then came from the abandonment of the working class for the sake of profit for the 1%

Why the Working Class is Abandoning the Left

How a Whole Side of Politics Betrayed and Abandoned its Base — Who Reacted by Making a Suicide Pact with Demagogues

eand.co

 

[shortylickens]

I believe the current General Secretary of the Chinese Communist Party has some fascist tendencies.

I'd add that outside of a concept communism isn't even real. Never has been and never will be. Human nature will simply not allow it to ever exist at any scale larger than a hippie commune.

And again, for the third fucking time, most of the people claiming to be communists are dirty fucking liars.
Just like most people republicans claim to be communists are not.

 

[shortylickens]

Look up the definition to both words. They're not opposed in practice or in theory.

Righties and Lefties can both be fascists, but communism is on the political left of the spectrum. This is a pretty bad hill for you to defend.

It is if the world is full of ignorant assholes, which apparently it is.

 

[sportage]

Did not read it either but the amount of voter suppression bills put up in state legislatures country-wide is epic!

Arizona sez "fuck yer vote"...

EPIC to say the least.
Republican controlled states are the only states where this is happening and where they CAN get away with it. I guess republicans might as well cut to the chase and simply legislate that if you are a democrat you can not vote and if you are a republican we'll give you a ride to the polls or send you as many absentee ballots as you want. Or both.

 

[K1052]

A perfect encapsulation of what Conservatism is now

https://twitter.com/x/status/1365141354960084994

My evangelical grade school education repeatedly talked about a very simlar scene in Exodus. Those same people are cheering stuff like this on. Apparently they've decided it was a model not a cautionary tale.

 

[dank69]

Whose power now as back then came from the abandonment of the working class for the sake of profit for the 1%

Why the Working Class is Abandoning the Left

How a Whole Side of Politics Betrayed and Abandoned its Base — Who Reacted by Making a Suicide Pact with Demagogues

eand.co

Only the dumbest Americans believe Republicans are better for the middle class than Democrats. I mean, you have to have your head buried up your ass to the hilt to believe that.

 

[cytg111]

A perfect encapsulation of what Conservatism is now

https://twitter.com/x/status/1365141354960084994

My evangelical grade school education repeatedly talked about a very simlar scene in Exodus. Those same people are cheering stuff like this on. Apparently they've decided it was a model not a cautionary tale.

I cant..... What the fuck.....