The Rebirth of PC Gaming.

[chalmers]

You really do live in your own little world don't you.

Yeah he's a weird dude with weird views.

 

[Tattoedsailor]

IMHO I think PC gaming has always had a leg up from consoles. There are so many games that you can only play on PC. RTS games are prime example of this.

 

[dud]

With the recent unveiling of the next gen consoles and their price schemes, it has become clear to anyone who can do simple math that PC gaming should come back in a big way given the extremely low cost of building or buying a current gen PC. When you add up all the costs of owning a console for several plus years you can see that they clearly cost more than all but the highest end DIY PC's.

Obviously, the Sony & MS employees will come in here and claim that the console is far more convenient. Let me point out the joke that is this argument for everyone. I can easily plug a PC into my TV now, I have to download just as many or more updates on the consoles now, and consoles take forever to load their OS and navigate through any menus within them when compared to a modern PC. As an example, it takes my PS3 at least 3 to 4 times as long to load as my PC (an upper middle end rig that cost right at $800 to build).

So the prevailing question here is obviously, will we see a big spike in PC gaming in this generation or are the public so indoctrinated that they will ignore the facts?

What?

First, PC gaming never died ... it matured. Second, you cannot build a a "current gen" PC on the cheap. Yes, PCs cost a lot less than they did (dollar-for-dollar) than they did in 1985 but you cannot (I repeat) cannot build a current gen (gaming) PC for less than a console.

Were you drunk when you posted this or just trolling?

 

[Dankk]

Second, you cannot build a a "current gen" PC on the cheap. Yes, PCs cost a lot less than they did (dollar-for-dollar) than they did in 1985 but you cannot (I repeat) cannot build a current gen (gaming) PC for less than a console.

You're technically correct. However, when you factor in all of the heavily-discounted $5 games on Steam you'll end up buying, your $800 gaming PC very quickly pays for itself. Console gamers pay less for their hardware up front, true; but they do not have the luxury of ridiculously cheap games.

 

[magomago]

You're technically correct. However, when you factor in all of the heavily-discounted $5 games on Steam you'll end up buying, your $800 gaming PC very quickly pays for itself. Console gamers pay less for their hardware up front, true; but they do not have the luxury of ridiculously cheap games.

i pretty much only play PC games, and this statement is simply not true.

Most console games can be had at great prices (~30 bucks) within a few months after release; used game stores make this a great proposition with 5-10 dollar older used games.

PC games can also be had at great prices a few months after release, and sometimes even earlier. Steam completely revolutionized PC game distribution which drove prices down. Games over time get much cheaper because it doesn't have to fight for retail or warehouse space; the obvious trade off is that you can't sell or trade your games.

Both have games that are expensive at launch, games that are decently priced, games that go on sale quickly, games that hold the pricing well. IMO the PC's main edge is that Indie distribution is much more developed - Steam has far more options than PSN or Xbox Live, but Sony has made big public commitments to support indie development.

So the reality is that you get a mish mash of everything from BOTH setups.

 

[ImpulsE69]

Console games do not get nearly as deeply discounted as fast. Even in the used game stores they tend to stay over half price until they are 3-4 years old (or more for harder to find games). Ebay to me is still the best place to get and sell used games at reasonable prices.

 

[Dankk]

Most console games can be had at great prices (~30 bucks) within a few months after release; used game stores make this a great proposition with 5-10 dollar older used games.

Must be nice where you live. I can't think of a single brick & mortar store in my area that sells console games for that cheap.

On the rare occasion I do find console games for that cheap, they are either considerably dated (over three years old, or from the GC/PS2 era), or they absolutely garbage, bottom-of-the-barrel games (SuperStar KidzSings Pop '07 for Wii).

Meanwhile, just a month or two ago I bought the PC version of Hitman Absolution on sale for $5. Gave it as a gift to one of my friends. It's an extremely high-quality, AAA-tier game that's barely even 6 months old. Show me where you can buy the console version of that game - used or new - for that cheap.

I think almost anyone on this forum will argue that PC games are way cheaper than console games (assuming you wait for the right deals). I have a Steam library of around 700 games at the moment. On average, I probably pay $3 or $4 for each game. Between all the bundles, daily deals, and heavily-discounted complete packs, it's crazy how many games I've purchased for so cheap.

Contrastly, my PS3 usually sits around gathering dust. I use it for playing the occasional exclusive and that's it. If you can show me a place where I can buy PS3 games for as cheap as I buy my PC games, then please, show me. I'd love to have my socks knocked off.

Edit: I forgot to mention, it applies to brand-new games and pre-orders as well. I can't remember the last time I pre-ordered a game at full price. I pre-ordered Remember Me for $33 on GreenManGaming. I pre-ordered GRID 2 for $30 at the same place. On GamersGate, you could pre-order Resident Evil: Revelations for basically $30 (you payed $47, but got $17 back in-store credit). If you are a console gamer who pre-ordered those same games, how much would you have to pay? $60 for each one. Maybe $50 if you're lucky.

Hell, guess what? You can get the PC version of Aliens: Colonial Marines for free right now. Goddamn free. And it's a boxed version no less. Order it from Newegg, enter the code EMCXPVX237 to get $5 off, and then submit the mail-in rebate to get the other $15 back. Boom, enjoy your free game. (Offer won't last forever, obviously).

Sorry if I sound kind of rude. If someone says console gaming is as cheap as PC gaming, I just can't take them seriously.

 

[Tsavo]

pc gaming died?

It went through a really rough patch starting around 1932 or so. It stagnated for 63 years before bouncing back in 1995 or thereabouts.

 

[irishScott]

Well, it's not that simple. Just because it's all x86 now, doesn't mean it's easy. There's still a ton of extra work that goes into making sure each version works properly.

Windows, Mac OS, and Linux all use x86. But how many games actually work with all three?

Can't speak for all the consoles, but it's confirmed that at least some of the xBox One games demoed at E3 were running on Windows 8 PCs.

 

[ImpulsE69]

Can't speak for all the consoles, but it's confirmed that at least some of the xBox One games demoed at E3 were running on Windows 8 PCs.

So this is MS's ultimate plan to finally force Windows 8 on everyone

 

[The Boston Dangler]

Second, you cannot build a a "current gen" PC on the cheap.

and the big guys can't build a console on the cheap - they sell them below cost. they only break even on hardware after years and eleventeen revisions, possibly after the next product is on shelves.

 

[KaOTiK]

Can't speak for all the consoles, but it's confirmed that at least some of the xBox One games demoed at E3 were running on Windows 8 PCs.

Actually it was Windows 7

 

[KaOTiK]

and the big guys can't build a console on the cheap - they sell them below cost. they only break even on hardware after years and eleventeen revisions, possibly after the next product is on shelves.

This is partially true. Nintendo has sold every console of theirs at a profit, except the Wii U, which they are selling at tiny loss, they said 1 game sale and they are back in profit.

Sony and MS both sold their systems at a loss and both were making profit on them with their "slim" revisions after a little bit iirc.

Now, if you calculate R&D into a consoles price, yeah that hardware isn't actually making money for a long time.

 

[sandorski]

At least this isn't yet another false "PC Gaming is dying" thread.

:thumbsup:

 

[Veliko]

With the recent unveiling of the next gen consoles and their price schemes, it has become clear to anyone who can do simple math that PC gaming should come back in a big way given the extremely low cost of building or buying a current gen PC. When you add up all the costs of owning a console for several plus years you can see that they clearly cost more than all but the highest end DIY PC's.

Obviously, the Sony & MS employees will come in here and claim that the console is far more convenient. Let me point out the joke that is this argument for everyone. I can easily plug a PC into my TV now, I have to download just as many or more updates on the consoles now, and consoles take forever to load their OS and navigate through any menus within them when compared to a modern PC. As an example, it takes my PS3 at least 3 to 4 times as long to load as my PC (an upper middle end rig that cost right at $800 to build).

Are you seriously trying to claim that gaming on a PC is as simple as it is on a console?

I had more problems with the PC version of BF3 than I had with my entire Xbox 360 and PS3 library.

 

[{bad}]

I had more problems with the PC version of BF3 than I had with my entire Xbox 360 and PS3 library.

it has nothing to do with pc, its EA's bs

 

[Veliko]

it has nothing to do with pc, its EA's bs

It's got everything to do with the PC platform because it was a situation that couldn't exist on a console.

 

[{bad}]

it only exist on pc bcoz EA didn't care to optimize/fix it. m sure if u get a badly coded app on console it will also do same

 

[Veliko]

it only exist on pc bcoz EA didn't care to optimize/fix it. m sure if u get a badly coded app on console it will also do same

It existed on the PC because the environment of the PC allowed it.

Such an environment doesn't exist on consoles and so it couldn't happen.

 

[Dankk]

it only exist on pc bcoz EA didn't care to optimize/fix it. m sure if u get a badly coded app on console it will also do same

How do you know? He didn't even go into detail on what the problem was.

 

[{bad}]

How do you know? He didn't even go into detail on what the problem was.

he said "I had more problems with the PC version of BF3 than I had with my entire Xbox 360 and PS3 library."

that means he is not having any unique problem or he would have specified it.

i have been playing bf3 since it came out and everyone i know faces same common problems which include random disconnects, crashes etc.

 

[videogames101]

Are you seriously trying to claim that gaming on a PC is as simple as it is on a console?

I had more problems with the PC version of BF3 than I had with my entire Xbox 360 and PS3 library.

I've had more problems running teamspeak on my xbox than I've ever had on any PC.... /sarcasm


How can you possibly game on a console.

 

[Veliko]

I've had more problems running teamspeak on my xbox than I've ever had on any PC.... /sarcasm

How can you possibly game on a console.

The same way I buy milk from the supermarket, rather than buying my own cow.

 

[videogames101]

The same way I buy milk from the supermarket, rather than buying my own cow.

excuse me while I enjoy my server based comms rather than p2p comms

 

[TidusZ]

Future is gonna be tablet pc gaming.

Reasons:

1. intimate and interactive. More intimate than pc games, and more interactive too due to touch + gyro controls

2. played on the go. one of the best places to play games is at the airport, or while waiting in something mundane.

3. More predictable hardware that only gets better. It seems like with pc games I always run into a gazillion issues that require me to go hack some .ini file or else the game will run with no sound or not run at all. Tablets, even google android and its famous fragmentation, do not have this problem.

I played some Eliss and bit.trip.beat on an iphone today while waiting, and it was IMO more satisfying than playing the latest Frostbite game on my gaming pc.

1. Hitting 30+ hotkeys with left hand and making precision clicks while healing in WoW versus point and drag on 10 inch screen... no thx

2. I don't leave my house. Even if I did it would only be better for playing games if there was a Herman Miller Aeron, dim lights, food, marijuana, and people didnt mind if I dont shower for a few days. I haven't seen any places like that. If I did leave my house I'd rather use a laptop with a mouse than a tablet anyway.

3. PC hardware > tablet hardware. Games used to be hard to get running sometimes, like back in the 80s and early 90s. Not at all anymore. If you think its bad today try zipping and splitting a 20 mb game onto 15 floppies, then copy and unsplit, unzip, and install without a graphical interface.

I dunno what a frostbite game is but saying tablet gaming is better than pc gaming is like saying that 2 cups and a string is better than cellphones. When I am playing an RTS or MMO on PC I can be fully engaged and focused on the game. Tablet game = 2 fingers moving colorful animals around a small screen to score points.

You might be right tho actually cus people in general are dumb as @#%*. If the highest rated shows can be jersey shore and watch me sing and dance then maybe tablet gaming will be #1. That's not a world I want to live in. Gonna stay in my room ty