The real reason why Democrats want Republicans to cave on taxes is clear now

[Moonbeam]

They want Republicans to lose credibility. By Arthur Herman and not Rachel Maddow who can't be trusted with speculations and is a liberal monster, not like this fine man.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/11/29/why-democrats-really-want-republicans-to-cave-on-taxes/

 

[Pr0d1gy]

God that article reads as if one of the righty trolls in this forum wrote it...lol

Left - anti private sector, increase spending

right - champions of private sector, would spend less

If anyone still believes this crap they have obviously not been paying attention for the last 40 years. I know your post is sarcasm, but it is just difficult to put up with this crap anymore. I mean I want the right to actually be what they're supposed to be instead of this neo-con half liberal party they have become. They have not reduced spending in decades, they are constantly attacking our liberties now, and they continue to try to sell people on pathetic domestic policies that only continue to further both of the previous agendas I mentioned...such as the War on Drugs, Patriot Act, NSA, etc etc etc etc etc.

It is disgusting that a nation of people that claims to value intelligence so much proves year after year that half of their voting population is living in a bubble of stupidity and still believing these lies.

 

[Ausm]

They want Republicans to lose credibility. By Arthur Herman and not Rachel Maddow who can't be trusted with speculations and is a liberal monster, not like this fine man.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/11/29/why-democrats-really-want-republicans-to-cave-on-taxes/

LMAO that looks like something published by The Onion!

 

[FerrelGeek]

For the record, I haven't been happy with the rep party for quite some time, for many of the reasons you mention. That being said, and by your own words, the dems are as bad or worse. The dems want bigger .gov, more spending, more regulation. The patriot act is still there. The detainees are still in gitmo. Non-combatants are being killed with drone strikes. The revenue increases that the dems want won't come close to offsetting our .gov's need to spend.

The neo-cons are dem light. A plague on both their houses.

God that article reads as if one of the righty trolls in this forum wrote it...lol

Left - anti private sector, increase spending

right - champions of private sector, would spend less

If anyone still believes this crap they have obviously not been paying attention for the last 40 years. I know your post is sarcasm, but it is just difficult to put up with this crap anymore. I mean I want the right to actually be what they're supposed to be instead of this neo-con half liberal party they have become. They have not reduced spending in decades, they are constantly attacking our liberties now, and they continue to try to sell people on pathetic domestic policies that only continue to further both of the previous agendas I mentioned...such as the War on Drugs, Patriot Act, NSA, etc etc etc etc etc.

It is disgusting that a nation of people that claims to value intelligence so much proves year after year that half of their voting population is living in a bubble of stupidity and still believing these lies.

 

[zsdersw]

For the record, I haven't been happy with the rep party for quite some time, for many of the reasons you mention. That being said, and by your own words, the dems are as bad or worse. The dems want bigger .gov, more spending, more regulation. The patriot act is still there. The detainees are still in gitmo. Non-combatants are being killed with drone strikes. The revenue increases that the dems want won't come close to offsetting our .gov's need to spend.

The neo-cons are dem light. A plague on both their houses.

The part in bold may be true, but so relatively few people who consider themselves Republican actually hold them accountable by voting against the party.

I don't buy the "I can best change the party from within" bullshit. That doesn't happen.

 

[dmcowen674]

The real reason why Democrats want Republicans to cave on taxes is clear now

They want Republicans to lose credibility.

When did they ever have credibility???

 

[FerrelGeek]

The part in bold may be true, but so relatively few people who consider themselves Republican actually hold them accountable by voting against the party.

I don't buy the "I can best change the party from within" bullshit. That doesn't happen.

Give me a viable candidate to vote for, please.

 

[zsdersw]

Give me a viable candidate to vote for, please.

Why does the candidate have to be "viable"?

 

[rudder]

Why does the candidate have to be "viable"?

Because there are only two major political parties. If the candidate is not viable, the opposite party will win votes by virtue of the candidate being a dud. Then newly or re-elected politician feels like it is some mandate by the people to raise taxes on everyone and not reign in spending. So there needs to be a "viable" candidate.

 

[zsdersw]

Because there are only two major political parties. If the candidate is not viable, the opposite party will win votes by virtue of the candidate being a dud. Then newly or re-elected politician feels like it is some mandate by the people to raise taxes on everyone and not reign in spending. So there needs to be a "viable" candidate.

That's a cop-out... and exactly why third-parties never get anywhere. If you never hold the party you're a part of responsible for their actions in the only way you can--the ballot box--nothing will ever change the way you want it to.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

The part in bold may be true, but so relatively few people who consider themselves Republican actually hold them accountable by voting against the party.

I don't buy the "I can best change the party from within" bullshit. That doesn't happen.

/this

This is exactly why I did vote against them this year and why I refuse to continue to support their outright subterfuge of the American people. Hell, at least the Dems are honest about wanting big government.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

Give me a viable candidate to vote for, please.

Why does the candidate have to be "viable"?

I will never happen. The Fed & IMF own this country now and they have made that much clear numerous times if you learn to read between the lines. Either way, you're going to be voting for a company man who works for them.

 

[Uhtrinity]

/this

This is exactly why I did vote against them this year and why I refuse to continue to support their outright subterfuge of the American people. Hell, at least the Dems are honest about wanting big government.

And yet under Obama the number of people employed by the government has dropped. http://thinkprogress.org/economy/20...c-employment-decreased-under-obama/?mobile=nc

If you don't like the source of that article google it, there are many more. The platform has been small government and balanced budgets, yet they never actually do it while the big government dems have made progress.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

For the record, I haven't been happy with the rep party for quite some time, for many of the reasons you mention. That being said, and by your own words, the dems are as bad or worse. The dems want bigger .gov, more spending, more regulation. The patriot act is still there. The detainees are still in gitmo. Non-combatants are being killed with drone strikes. The revenue increases that the dems want won't come close to offsetting our .gov's need to spend.

The neo-cons are dem light. A plague on both their houses.

Its interesting this perception of which party has grown the government more still persists.

The historical data shows its the Republicans, but folks tend to think its the Dems because they created SS, Medicare and Medicaid, and unemployment insurance.

Indeed Johnson created SS and Medicare, but at the time those programs were quite small. Its Ford and Nixon that expanded the programs.

From the WSJ:

From a purely statistical standpoint, the growth of entitlement spending over the past half-century has been distinctly greater under Republican administrations than Democratic ones. Between 1960 and 2010, the growth of entitlement spending was exponential, but in any given year, it was on the whole roughly 8% higher if the president happened to be a Republican rather than a Democrat.

So the real problem in my mind is that Republicans talk about small government and implement tax policies like they are running one, but in practice they only act on the cutting taxes part and thus contribute to our fiscal problems much more than Democrats.

Case in point: Medicare part D. Inacted by a Republican with no additional revenue stream to fund it.

 

[1prophet]

There was this republican president (George Bush Sr.)long ago in the late 80's that had a famous saying "read my lips, no new taxes", what happened was he realized for the good of the country and against the wishes of his own party he had to compromise with the democrats on the tax issue,

Lo and behold not only did his own party use it against him (Newt Gingrich), but the Democrat nominee (Bill Clinton)who would become president used it against the current president by claiming because he compromised he couldn't be trusted anymore to be president.

To sum it up, the reason the republicans act like such assholes when it comes to the tax issue is because they were shit on by Democrats who used it effectively against them during the 1992 election instead of praising them for putting party philosophy aside and doing what is best for the country.

That is why you see very little compromise today because compromise can and will be used against you during election time no matter how noble it may be.

 

[Moonbeam]

For the record, I haven't been happy with the rep party for quite some time, for many of the reasons you mention. That being said, and by your own words, the dems are as bad or worse. The dems want bigger .gov, more spending, more regulation. The patriot act is still there. The detainees are still in gitmo. Non-combatants are being killed with drone strikes. The revenue increases that the dems want won't come close to offsetting our .gov's need to spend.

The neo-cons are dem light. A plague on both their houses.

I see things differently. I believe that only Democrats can deal with spending cuts and only Republicans with inappropriate responses to terrorism. Each party will be crucified for any action they take that is at cross purposes to the areas I suggested. Only Nixon could go to China, situation.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Oops...wrong thread!

 

[buckshot24]

That's a cop-out... and exactly why third-parties never get anywhere. If you never hold the party you're a part of responsible for their actions in the only way you can--the ballot box--nothing will ever change the way you want it to.

I think this is one of the reasons Romney lost. He couldn't even get McCain's votes.

 

[buckshot24]

I see things differently. I believe that only Democrats can deal with spending cuts and only Republicans with inappropriate responses to terrorism. Each party will be crucified for any action they take that is at cross purposes to the areas I suggested. Only Nixon could go to China, situation.

This shows me that the dosage on your meds needs to be increased.

 

[raildogg]

So we are talking about politics rather than what is right for the country?

If we are talking about the right solution to this problem, then big sacrifices have to be made. Instead of taking away people's money by increasing their taxes, why not reduce some government programs? It seems like there is a rule or law for every single thing in America. It's kind of weird when people claim this is a free country. With the government so expansive, I have my doubts.

I think people want everything without having to give up anything. The Republicans oppose tax hikes on the rich while the Democrats want to protect their voter base by not dropping any benefits. It seems to me that the Democrats simply want to pass the problems along without any substantive solutions. How much more tax revenue do they need? As for the Republicans, they claim they want to reduce government spending yet they don't like spending cuts on the military.

I guess both sides want everything without making any sacrifice. No wonder nothing is getting done.

 

[Moonbeam]

This shows me that the dosage on your meds needs to be increased.

What you show is that you don't know how to reason to make a case. Only democrats can deal with the takers and only republicans can deal with paranoid delusional. In each case those extremes have nowhere else to go. But I know you have these memes in your head that whisper dosage is the answer to your dotage.

 

[feralkid]

There was this republican president (George Bush Sr.)long ago in the late 80's that had a famous saying "read my lips, no new taxes", what happened was he realized for the good of the country and against the wishes of his own party he had to compromise with the democrats on the tax issue,

Lo and behold not only did his own party use it against him (Newt Gingrich), but the Democrat nominee (Bill Clinton)who would become president used it against the current president by claiming because he compromised he couldn't be trusted anymore to be president.

To sum it up, the reason the republicans act like such assholes when it comes to the tax issue is because they were shit on by Democrats who used it effectively against them during the 1992 election instead of praising them for putting party philosophy aside and doing what is best for the country.

That is why you see very little compromise today because compromise can and will be used against you during election time no matter how noble it may be.

You're forgetting that it is Grover Norquist and the Tea Party kooks who use it against them today, NOT the Democrats.

 

[buckshot24]

What you show is that you don't know how to reason to make a case. Only democrats can deal with the takers and only republicans can deal with paranoid delusional. In each case those extremes have nowhere else to go. But I know you have these memes in your head that whisper dosage is the answer to your dotage.

I don't need to make a case that you are a nutter, you do that all on your own.

 

[Moonbeam]

I don't need to make a case that you are a nutter, you do that all on your own.

That clown avatar is there to tell you what you see in yourself when you look at me. I knowed you was comen for years.

 

[DAGTA]

So what you're saying is that there are people out there that still believe either party has credibility?