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The REAL DEAL-Anand's HL2 benches!

At the $400 price point, the X800 Pro and the GeForce 6800GT are basically equal performers in all of the resolutions we tested (regardless of whether or not AA/aniso was enabled). So the recommendation here goes either way, look at the performance of the cards in some of the other games you play to determine which one is right for you.
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that should make everyone happy.
 
Why wasn't the XT P.E. used?

Makes zero sense to me 😕


Otherwise, great review.
 
At the $400 price point, the X800 Pro and the GeForce 6800GT are basically equal performers in all of the resolutions we tested (regardless of whether or not AA/aniso was enabled). So the recommendation here goes either way, look at the performance of the cards in some of the other games you play to determine which one is right for you.
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thats what i've been saying all along.

 
What what what?!?!?! DriverHeavens benches that show the ATI cards stomping the nVidia cards are WRONG?!?!?

*cough* DH=bought and paid for BS *cough*


Actually, you could take this to mean something VERY significant if you're shopping video cards right now:

Anand's benches show the nVidia cards at all levels to be the performance equals at this game. (I don't think the XTs couple double digit victories are very significant as I doubt you'd see much difference between a 85 and 70 fps average, although these may give ATI a slight edge in this one bracket)

Everyone (except DH) shows the nVidia 6 series cards owning the Xx00 series at Doom3.

If you consider these to be two of the most important engines for upcoming licenses, and the two most important games this year, what is your incentive to buy ATI? (if you can find them- BB here always has GTs and NUs, never X800s- I don't even think they had shelf stickers yesterday)
 
I think Rollo is right. Seems like while nvidia really blew it big time last round, they've won this round. The HL2 and doom3 engines are likely to be the foundation for a very large percentage of new games. ATI beats nvidia in HL2, but only by a hair. And Nvidia seems to have a solid advantage in doom3.

Aside from nvidia's cards being power hogs, I think they've got the advantage this generation. But both families will have to mature a bit before its totally clear.
 
Originally posted by: Rollo

Everyone (except DH) shows the nVidia 6 series cards owning the Xx00 series at Doom3.
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actually my 9700pro handled doom3 pretty darn well spiffy if you ask me 😉

but yea, in consideration of Quake 4 and other D3 titles, and lack of money for XT which handled D3 exceptionally, I'd still go the way of the GT. That is, if I can get over the visual processor defect...

 
wish they'd showed min fps too, as that's often more important then the average.

The other thing that would be nice is to try running with all the graphics card optimisations on, not just the default driver settings? The first thing I would do if I couldn't max out everything (including aa/af) like I wanted would be to fiddle with these. Would like to know if they (a) help performance much? (b) hurt image quality much, or at least more then having to run at lower res/aa/af settings would?

Also weren't the nvidia drivers meant to fix the shimering bug? - is the fix a driver setting, did Anand turn it on?
 
Originally posted by: Rage187
At the $400 price point, the X800 Pro and the GeForce 6800GT are basically equal performers in all of the resolutions we tested (regardless of whether or not AA/aniso was enabled). So the recommendation here goes either way, look at the performance of the cards in some of the other games you play to determine which one is right for you.
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that should make everyone happy.
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They didnt use 1600x1200 with AA with those cards though.
 
No xt pe? Anantech remains firmly as a nvidia fan club. Will wait until an unbiased site like hardocp has a say. 😉
 
Originally posted by: Ackmed

They didnt use 1600x1200 with AA with those cards though.
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They also didn't use any AF in any of the tests. I really wish they had since I use AF more frequently than AA.



sorry sbuckler, just saw your reply!!! Yes!! where's the AF?!
 
I wonder why ATI hasn't released a "GT" version of their X800 line, obviously the Pro version isn't cutting it, it is an acomplishment that it can be on par with the 6800GT but that's the thing, HL2 is about the only game that it is on par, any other game you'd definately want a 6800GT.

ATI seemed to have been doing everything right up until this round. While it is a round of relative parity, nVidia definately has the edge with how fast they've responded to challenges and making due on releases. While the pure performance crown may still be up for grabs, nVidia has struck a huge blow where ATI has dominated for such a long time, and that is price/performance. ATI just isn't agressive enough, where is a X800GT? Wheres the AGP X800XT? Certainly they should know better than to bank on the 9800 serioes keeping hold of that $200 spot. From $200-400 - a price range for your average serious gamer (reasonable too) - nVidia either has the clear advantage or ATI simply doesn't have a product available yet to compete.
 
I just posted something about this in the other thread, ronnn...the PE seems to have dropped off the retail radar and has been mostly replaced with standard XT's. I think using the PE is now equivalent to using the BFG OC or the Ultra Extreme in benches...since the majority of x800XT variants are now at 500mhz core (non-PE) then using that seems fair to use as your bench. Using the best golden sample from one of the few uber-wafers doesn't tell us much, but using market-available GPU's does. I personally am glad he dropped both the PE and the UE, all it did was incite this useless fanboy fight, whereas these benches actually tell us how our real cards will work.
 
Hardocp has come to the conclusion that it usually seems to come to in this round. Difficult to buy a bad card. So everyone should be happy, as long as the game itself is worth playing. :beer:
 
I didn't see where they said which drivers they used? I guess I missed it. Can somebody confirm they used ATI's 4.12 which I understand were made to maximize performance in HL2.

Thanks,

Fern
EDIT: NM, just saw it was the 4.12's
 
Originally posted by: Rollo
Everyone (except DH) shows the nVidia 6 series cards owning the Xx00 series at Doom3.

If you consider these to be two of the most important engines for upcoming licenses, and the two most important games this year, what is your incentive to buy ATI? (if you can find them- BB here always has GTs and NUs, never X800s- I don't even think they had shelf stickers yesterday)
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I am curious, what upcoming games are slated to use the Doom3 engine?

It's been out for a few months, giving studios/publishers enough time to decide/announce.

On the other hand, even before the first Source Engine game was released, you had studios announcing titles which will use them. And within a few days, we'll already have our second Source Engine game -- Vampire: Bloodlines, which has nothing to do with Valve or Vivendi.
 
Also, I don't know how u can think nvidia isn't being stomped? I'm seeing 18-23% lead on each one for 1600*1200 4x/8x which is what anyone would want to play this game with with a nice card. Add in a pe over the normal XT and thats around 21-27% lead... Also why not use 1600*1200 for the GT and pro? And one more gripe, why didn't they use AF at all? Seems pretty silly not to. Of course ATI usually obtain a bigger lead with AF turned on...
 
Originally posted by: ronnn
Hardocp has come to the conclusion that it usually seems to come to in this round. Difficult to buy a bad card. So everyone should be happy, as long as the game itself is worth playing. :beer:
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No, no, no happiness. You crayzee?

Let's have a quality flamewar instead then 🙂
 
Originally posted by: OnEMoReTrY
lol they use the 6800 ultra and not the x800xt pe hehe wow...
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Maybe because the 6800 Ultra competes with the X800 XT? The Ultra Extreme and XT PE (direct competitors) are nonexistant or otherwise unatainable cards, so it's hardly a valid complaint anyway.
 
Can someone explain to me in simple terms why the 12-pipe 6800nu is losing to the (I can't remember the number of pipes) 6600GT? Also would unlocking the other 4-pipes and the 6th vertex shader have any drastic effect on this?

Only asking cause I dished out $220 on a 6800nu and unlocked everything and was expecting a lil more than this. =(
 
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