The problem with conservatism.

[smashp]

Originally posted by: busmaster11

Originally posted by: Corn

Corn, if you are a Christian....

I don't consider myself to be one BM. In a schitzophrenic way I am both thankful and resentful for my upbringing. My mother was the root cause for the family conversion to born again christianity, my pops loves my mom, and as such his conversion was out of loyalty and respect for my mother, moreso than any real foundation of faith in the almighty.

My mother is a fanatic. Over the edge. I won't go over the details, just know that I understand extreme religious fundamentalism. My pops is a saint for what he has had to endure, but he loves her so he doesn't see the sacrifice for what it is. I respect my father more than anyone I could imagine.

That same respect prohibits me from ridiculing the faith of others. We all have our quirks. You have your interpretation of "turn the other cheek", and I disagree. Humility doesn't extend into the realm of self-preservation or protecting your family.

As a result of the dangers I face because of the duties of my employment, I have a CCW permit (obtained when it was required to prove a need) and do carry. I have been threatened and accosted on occasion, and if I were a Chrisitian, I doubt the fact that I pack heat for mine and my family's protection would be frowned upon by the almighty--being pragmatic is not a sin. In my opinion, of course.

I don't disagree with anything you said. I respect it a great deal in fact. The truth is, my beliefs may be drawn from the Bible, but they are my interpretations. Some I consider rather obvious interpretations, but some may be up for debate. I thank you for your respect.

The Comandments Are not Govermental law and its a good think They Arent. You could be Bagging the Neighbors wife and have the feds break in and arrest you. You could But a Little Budda statue in your garden and do 10-20.

But that is not the Case. The Ten comandments are based off of the same Moral code that many religions and soceities just happen to Share.

 

[busmaster11]

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Absolutely we differ, to a degree I think you'd find hard to imagine. An apology from you would mean nothing to me anyway. This isn't THAT sort of discussion. And just for the record, I'm not at all frustrated by your views on self-defense. I'm contemptuos of them, and it has NOTHING to do with your obvious religious leanings. Something else for you to consider: When you vote for someone who wants to make me helpless in the face of barbarity, you're voting for someone who wants to disarm my wife as well. At that point you move past being "rude" and firmly place yourself in the mortal enemy category. And there are millions of people who feel just as I do. Think about that in between sermons, sir.

Indeed. If you believed what I believed - that there is someone out there who loves you and those you love in a perfect way, more perfect that you could possibly love, your heart will be filled with joy and warmth and you will no longer feel the need to be vigilant.

But I guess we'll agree to disagree.

 

[busmaster11]

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: Witling

Frankly, I think JohnGalt's quote is much harder for me. I have to think about that.

I am glad you can appreciate that quote; it's one of my favorites. Sadly, however, it takes a lifetime of learning to truly understand the meaning of that passage.

My interpretation is that it implies a timeless, universal truth. Am I way off?

 

[glugglug]

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: glugglug

Originally posted by: Mursilis
(the prescription drug program, which was supposed to cost $400 billion but will likely cost $523 billion or more, according to the latest gov't estimates)

A case of :beer::beer::beer: says the actual price proves to be over $2 trillion within the next 3 years.

Maybe; why would it be any different from any other gov't program, most of which end up costing far more than was projected?
But you didn't address the point - if Bush's program was bad for costing too much money we don't have, how are the Democrats a better alternative, when they proposed an even bigger program?!? To me, the parties are a choice between bad and worse, and at this point, the Republicans are merely bad, so they usually get my vote.

Bush's programs aren't any smaller than the proposed Democrat ones, he's just more dishonest about them. Note I didn't say "less honest" because that might imply some honesty from either side.

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: glugglug

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: glugglug

Originally posted by: Mursilis
(the prescription drug program, which was supposed to cost $400 billion but will likely cost $523 billion or more, according to the latest gov't estimates)

A case of :beer::beer::beer: says the actual price proves to be over $2 trillion within the next 3 years.

Maybe; why would it be any different from any other gov't program, most of which end up costing far more than was projected?
But you didn't address the point - if Bush's program was bad for costing too much money we don't have, how are the Democrats a better alternative, when they proposed an even bigger program?!? To me, the parties are a choice between bad and worse, and at this point, the Republicans are merely bad, so they usually get my vote.

Bush's programs aren't any smaller than the proposed Democrat ones, he's just more dishonest about them. Note I didn't say "less honest" because that might imply some honesty from either side.

Say what you want, but the Bush plan was clearly smaller, according to most sources. Here's something from CNN: Bush, Democrats outline ideas for prescription drug benefit

I found this paragraph relevant:

The Democratic plan would cost an estimated $700 billion to $900 billion, more expensive than the $400 billion Bush has vowed to commit to overhauling Medicare.

Of course I don't find either party's numbers to be honest, but what are the odds the Democratic alternative would actually cost less than the projected $700-900 billion? Darn slim, I'd guess.

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: busmaster11

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Absolutely we differ, to a degree I think you'd find hard to imagine. An apology from you would mean nothing to me anyway. This isn't THAT sort of discussion. And just for the record, I'm not at all frustrated by your views on self-defense. I'm contemptuos of them, and it has NOTHING to do with your obvious religious leanings. Something else for you to consider: When you vote for someone who wants to make me helpless in the face of barbarity, you're voting for someone who wants to disarm my wife as well. At that point you move past being "rude" and firmly place yourself in the mortal enemy category. And there are millions of people who feel just as I do. Think about that in between sermons, sir.

Indeed. If you believed what I believed - that there is someone out there who loves you and those you love in a perfect way, more perfect that you could possibly love, your heart will be filled with joy and warmth and you will no longer feel the need to be vigilant.

But I guess we'll agree to disagree.

Vigilance isn't a curse, holy man, it's part of the game. Your "joy and warmth" is a self-fommented illusion that can be shattered forever by a chance encounter. I've seen it happen more than once. When people are forced to choose between piety and survival the latter almost always wins.

Indeed.

 

[seriousbro]

Originally posted by: Witling
Hmmm. I actually thought that there generally accepted definitions for "conservatives" and "liberals." I offer what I remember.

"Conservatives" don't want to throw the baby out with the bath water. We have a system that has worked (and in the case of the U.S., worked spectacularly well). They resist change unless the need is very clear.

"Liberals" are people who see the failings with and problems of the current system and want change.

History is littered with the bodies of stupid conservatives and stupid liberals. Two examples: Stupid conservatives resisted the right for women to vote. Stupid liberals brought us communism.

The moral of the story is to think about what your own experience is and try to pick something that might work. Heart is a miserable failure at this -- not to pick on an individual member.

Liberals didn't bring us Communism, just because commies are seen as being synonymous with socialism sometimes doesn't mean they truly are the same. Liberalism is the idea of using the government to help, not to control the means to production that is why you have a lot of corporate CEO's and other prosperous people who identify with being a liberal. Liberals aren't against capitalism just as Conservatives aren't against civil rights.

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: glugglug

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: glugglug

Originally posted by: Mursilis
(the prescription drug program, which was supposed to cost $400 billion but will likely cost $523 billion or more, according to the latest gov't estimates)

A case of :beer::beer::beer: says the actual price proves to be over $2 trillion within the next 3 years.

Maybe; why would it be any different from any other gov't program, most of which end up costing far more than was projected?
But you didn't address the point - if Bush's program was bad for costing too much money we don't have, how are the Democrats a better alternative, when they proposed an even bigger program?!? To me, the parties are a choice between bad and worse, and at this point, the Republicans are merely bad, so they usually get my vote.

Bush's programs aren't any smaller than the proposed Democrat ones, he's just more dishonest about them. Note I didn't say "less honest" because that might imply some honesty from either side.

I heard a radio personality say that we need him so badly in the whitehouse, to protect us, that anything he has to do to stay there is fine. That included acting like a liberal. And yes, she had callers who agreed.

 

[seriousbro]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
The main problem with being a Conservative is that at times you find youself aligned with the likes of Coulter and heartsurgeon.

I agree but what bugs me the most is that I agree with Republicans on the financial matters, I am a Christian I am pro-life, but I am African American. I have been to many boards such as freerepublic.com and have viewed other boards that are ultra-right wing such as Stormfront.org and also ultra right wing sights such as the council of concerned citizens. It scares me that I have to vote Democratic because people on the Republican side won't shame these people into taking sides with them.

A lot of blacks hate abortion, love lower taxes and like Church (go to any black neighborhood and see all the Churches there) and we want stricter laws on criminal activity b/c of all those thugs in those neighborhoods but we don't vote Republican because we are afraid when the president speaks in front of the Council of Conservative Citizens or is being praised by Michael Savage who says that people are from a "mud" race or when "conservative" speakers such as Rush tell callers to take the bone out of your nose and call back later.

It is more comfortable to be lead by Dems than risk losing what little we have with the Pubs no matter how much you agree with financial, legal and/or religous ideas, when you have civil rights and you believe a group would rather look out for "their" kind of voters than do what is right then you will even team up with some one you are diametrically opposed to just to keep on to those rights.

 

[busmaster11]

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: busmaster11

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Absolutely we differ, to a degree I think you'd find hard to imagine. An apology from you would mean nothing to me anyway. This isn't THAT sort of discussion. And just for the record, I'm not at all frustrated by your views on self-defense. I'm contemptuos of them, and it has NOTHING to do with your obvious religious leanings. Something else for you to consider: When you vote for someone who wants to make me helpless in the face of barbarity, you're voting for someone who wants to disarm my wife as well. At that point you move past being "rude" and firmly place yourself in the mortal enemy category. And there are millions of people who feel just as I do. Think about that in between sermons, sir.

Indeed. If you believed what I believed - that there is someone out there who loves you and those you love in a perfect way, more perfect that you could possibly love, your heart will be filled with joy and warmth and you will no longer feel the need to be vigilant.

But I guess we'll agree to disagree.

Vigilance isn't a curse, holy man, it's part of the game. Your "joy and warmth" is a self-fommented illusion that can be shattered forever by a chance encounter. I've seen it happen more than once. When people are forced to choose between piety and survival the latter almost always wins.

Indeed.

Your last statement may be true, but you never admit to over-dramatizing things to make this point over and over. What a cursed life you must live to feel constantly in need of defending yourself.

While we all feel obliged to defend our families (as much as you'd like to think you're unique in that respect) we don't all feel constantly threatened by people and that our liberties are taken away when we're not allowed to carry weapons on the streets.

You're right - we can be mortal enemies. Because your freedom to carry weapons end where they infringe upon mine - that is to have the peace of mind where I can walk the streets and not have to worry about a gunfight breaking out. If someone was out to get you, most people including myself would have no chance with or without a gun.

What an ego trip.

 

[Corn]

Absolutely we differ, to a degree I think you'd find hard to imagine. An apology from you would mean nothing to me anyway. This isn't THAT sort of discussion. And just for the record, I'm not at all frustrated by your views on self-defense. I'm contemptuos of them, and it has NOTHING to do with your obvious religious leanings. Something else for you to consider: When you vote for someone who wants to make me helpless in the face of barbarity, you're voting for someone who wants to disarm my wife as well. At that point you move past being "rude" and firmly place yourself in the mortal enemy category. And there are millions of people who feel just as I do. Think about that in between sermons, sir.

My god, and some people here think I'm a pompus ass..........

I don't know what kind of danger you face in the world on a daily basis HW, but rest assured I have relied on my CCW to keep me safe. While I may roll my eyes occasionally at the suggestion that removing guns from society will cause criminals to love instead of hate, by no means do I consider those who hold those opinions to be "mortal enemies".

Your behavior merely gives creedence to the "gun nut" stereotype. I certainly don't need you arguing for my right to possess my firearms thank you very much.

 

[Corn]

....we don't vote Republican because we are afraid when the president speaks in front of the Council of Conservative Citizens or is being praised by Michael Savage who says that people are from a "mud" race or when "conservative" speakers such as Rush tell callers to take the bone out of your nose and call back later.

Absolute hogwash.

 

[xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx]

Originally posted by: Corn

....we don't vote Republican because we are afraid when the president speaks in front of the Council of Conservative Citizens or is being praised by Michael Savage who says that people are from a "mud" race or when "conservative" speakers such as Rush tell callers to take the bone out of your nose and call back later.

Absolute hogwash.

Actually, the reason you don't is because you like to put all your eggs in one basket...and when the Easter Bunny doesn't come around, you get no eggs. Now, with Hispanics being the #1 minority in America, in terms of population size, I am afraid the Easter Bunny might not stop by all...thank Jesse Jackson and Al.

 

[seriousbro]

Originally posted by: Corn

....we don't vote Republican because we are afraid when the president speaks in front of the Council of Conservative Citizens or is being praised by Michael Savage who says that people are from a "mud" race or when "conservative" speakers such as Rush tell callers to take the bone out of your nose and call back later.

Absolute hogwash.

How in Gods name is that hogwash, If you took the elitist stick out your arse and paid attention you would be able to see from different people's point of view but instead you sit and grumble and probably believe that everyone who disagrees with you is some crazy unamerican liberal who is on welfare and doesn't work and blah blah blah.

That is why blacks and jews and women vote in droves for Democrats because at least they take the time to listen and pander while the Pubs pander to the CCC and gets praised by bigots. No matter how much I agree on economics with some Pubbies I don't dare vote for them on a national level b/c you all will sell out civil rights for power.

 

[seriousbro]

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: Corn

....we don't vote Republican because we are afraid when the president speaks in front of the Council of Conservative Citizens or is being praised by Michael Savage who says that people are from a "mud" race or when "conservative" speakers such as Rush tell callers to take the bone out of your nose and call back later.

Absolute hogwash.

Actually, the reason you don't is because you like to put all your eggs in one basket...and when the Easter Bunny doesn't come around, you get no eggs. Now, with Hispanics being the #1 minority in America, in terms of population size, I am afraid the Easter Bunny might not stop by all...thank Jesse Jackson and Al.

You are assuming that the Pubs are the easter bunny. First and foremost I don't put all my eggs in one basket I usually vote pub for state and local politics and Democratic for my senators and President because of the reasons I stated before, Civil Rights.

When I hear that the president speaks in front of the CCC I get spooked, go to their website. Now to go back to the hispanic vote, LOL they vote less than Blacks and blacks hardly vote so keep on pandering to them but it won't work all you will do is piss off your conservative white male base(like bush is doing now.) As far as Al and Jesse, I dislike them because they are racebaiters, next question please.

 

[seriousbro]

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: Corn

....we don't vote Republican because we are afraid when the president speaks in front of the Council of Conservative Citizens or is being praised by Michael Savage who says that people are from a "mud" race or when "conservative" speakers such as Rush tell callers to take the bone out of your nose and call back later.

Absolute hogwash.

Actually, the reason you don't is because you like to put all your eggs in one basket...and when the Easter Bunny doesn't come around, you get no eggs. Now, with Hispanics being the #1 minority in America, in terms of population size, I am afraid the Easter Bunny might not stop by all...thank Jesse Jackson and Al.

You can also say the same for the white male who puts all his eggs in the Pubbie basket and when dems are in office they feel screwed.

 

[xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx]

Originally posted by: seriousbro

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: Corn

....we don't vote Republican because we are afraid when the president speaks in front of the Council of Conservative Citizens or is being praised by Michael Savage who says that people are from a "mud" race or when "conservative" speakers such as Rush tell callers to take the bone out of your nose and call back later.

Absolute hogwash.

Actually, the reason you don't is because you like to put all your eggs in one basket...and when the Easter Bunny doesn't come around, you get no eggs. Now, with Hispanics being the #1 minority in America, in terms of population size, I am afraid the Easter Bunny might not stop by all...thank Jesse Jackson and Al.

You can also say the same for the white male who puts all his eggs in the Pubbie basket and when dems are in office they feel screwed.

If you say so, but think that through a little more...

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: busmaster11

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: busmaster11

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Absolutely we differ, to a degree I think you'd find hard to imagine. An apology from you would mean nothing to me anyway. This isn't THAT sort of discussion. And just for the record, I'm not at all frustrated by your views on self-defense. I'm contemptuos of them, and it has NOTHING to do with your obvious religious leanings. Something else for you to consider: When you vote for someone who wants to make me helpless in the face of barbarity, you're voting for someone who wants to disarm my wife as well. At that point you move past being "rude" and firmly place yourself in the mortal enemy category. And there are millions of people who feel just as I do. Think about that in between sermons, sir.

Indeed. If you believed what I believed - that there is someone out there who loves you and those you love in a perfect way, more perfect that you could possibly love, your heart will be filled with joy and warmth and you will no longer feel the need to be vigilant.

But I guess we'll agree to disagree.

Vigilance isn't a curse, holy man, it's part of the game. Your "joy and warmth" is a self-fommented illusion that can be shattered forever by a chance encounter. I've seen it happen more than once. When people are forced to choose between piety and survival the latter almost always wins.

Indeed.

Your last statement may be true, but you never admit to over-dramatizing things to make this point over and over. What a cursed life you must live to feel constantly in need of defending yourself.

While we all feel obliged to defend our families (as much as you'd like to think you're unique in that respect) we don't all feel constantly threatened by people and that our liberties are taken away when we're not allowed to carry weapons on the streets.

You're right - we can be mortal enemies. Because your freedom to carry weapons end where they infringe upon mine - that is to have the peace of mind where I can walk the streets and not have to worry about a gunfight breaking out. If someone was out to get you, most people including myself would have no chance with or without a gun.

What an ego trip.

Don't you dare accuse me of undo drama, at least not while you claim to have a deep and fulfilling PERSONAL relationship with something that doesn't exist.

"Obliged?" More weasel-speech from a pompous knowitall. It's my >responsibilty< to keep my family as safe as humanly possible, because NO ONE else will. You really need to spend some time pointing your nose AWAY from the bible. You seem to have no IDEA how dangerous the "streets" can be depending on locale. EDUCATE yourself before you start spewing religion-scented air all over a place like this. BTW, I can't think of ONE thing about YOU I want changed at the point of a "good" government gun. Why can't you find the will to do the same for me in all that love and peace you SAY you believe in? Also, I never SAID I was unique in any way, pansy. Control yourself.

Yup, in the political arena of "anti self-defense" we ARE mortal enemies, and you're well on your way to loosing. More than 3/4 of the states have CCW in some form or another, and more WILL follow, whether it chaffs your pompous hide or not. Aw here we go now, Handgun control pap 101. "A gun can't help you!" You're joking right? Do you have any idea how persuasive a gun can be? If they're useless then why do the high priests of your order (people like Sarah Brady) surround themselves with ARMED guards, holy man?

Indeed I do have an ego, Mr. Pious. But the difference between yours and mine is that mine is based on REALITY, not regular doses of cosmic thumb-sucking. "God, please keep me safe and warm!!!"

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: busmaster11

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: busmaster11

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Absolutely we differ, to a degree I think you'd find hard to imagine. An apology from you would mean nothing to me anyway. This isn't THAT sort of discussion. And just for the record, I'm not at all frustrated by your views on self-defense. I'm contemptuos of them, and it has NOTHING to do with your obvious religious leanings. Something else for you to consider: When you vote for someone who wants to make me helpless in the face of barbarity, you're voting for someone who wants to disarm my wife as well. At that point you move past being "rude" and firmly place yourself in the mortal enemy category. And there are millions of people who feel just as I do. Think about that in between sermons, sir.

Indeed. If you believed what I believed - that there is someone out there who loves you and those you love in a perfect way, more perfect that you could possibly love, your heart will be filled with joy and warmth and you will no longer feel the need to be vigilant.

But I guess we'll agree to disagree.

Vigilance isn't a curse, holy man, it's part of the game. Your "joy and warmth" is a self-fommented illusion that can be shattered forever by a chance encounter. I've seen it happen more than once. When people are forced to choose between piety and survival the latter almost always wins.

Indeed.

Your last statement may be true, but you never admit to over-dramatizing things to make this point over and over. What a cursed life you must live to feel constantly in need of defending yourself.

While we all feel obliged to defend our families (as much as you'd like to think you're unique in that respect) we don't all feel constantly threatened by people and that our liberties are taken away when we're not allowed to carry weapons on the streets.

You're right - we can be mortal enemies. Because your freedom to carry weapons end where they infringe upon mine - that is to have the peace of mind where I can walk the streets and not have to worry about a gunfight breaking out. If someone was out to get you, most people including myself would have no chance with or without a gun.

What an ego trip.

Don't you dare accuse me of undo drama, at least not while you claim to have a deep and fulfilling PERSONAL relationship with something that doesn't exist.

"Obliged?" More weasel-speech from a pompous knowitall. It's my >responsibilty< to keep my family as safe as humanly possible, because NO ONE else will. You really need to spend some time pointing your nose AWAY from the bible. You seem to have no IDEA how dangerous the "streets" can be depending on locale. EDUCATE yourself before you start spewing religion-scented air all over a place like this. BTW, I can't think of ONE thing about YOU I want changed at the point of a "good" government gun. Why can't you find the will to do the same for me in all that love and peace you SAY you believe in? Also, I never SAID I was unique in any way, pansy. Control yourself.

Yup, in the political arena of "anti self-defense" we ARE mortal enemies, and you're well on your way to loosing. More than 3/4 of the states have CCW in some form or another, and more WILL follow, whether it chaffs your pompous hide or not. Aw here we go now, Handgun control pap 101. "A gun can't help you!" You're joking right? Do you have any idea how persuasive a gun can be? If they're useless then why do the high priests of your order (people like Sarah Brady) surround themselves with ARMED guards, holy man?

Indeed I do have an ego, Mr. Pious. But the difference between yours and mine is that mine is based on REALITY, not regular doses of cosmic thumb-sucking. "God, please keep me safe and warm!!!"

/me rescinds offer of malted beverage. Looks like you've had enough already. We still agree(overall) on the gun issue though.

CkG

 

[seriousbro]

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: seriousbro

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: Corn

....we don't vote Republican because we are afraid when the president speaks in front of the Council of Conservative Citizens or is being praised by Michael Savage who says that people are from a "mud" race or when "conservative" speakers such as Rush tell callers to take the bone out of your nose and call back later.

Absolute hogwash.

Actually, the reason you don't is because you like to put all your eggs in one basket...and when the Easter Bunny doesn't come around, you get no eggs. Now, with Hispanics being the #1 minority in America, in terms of population size, I am afraid the Easter Bunny might not stop by all...thank Jesse Jackson and Al.

You can also say the same for the white male who puts all his eggs in the Pubbie basket and when dems are in office they feel screwed.

If you say so, but think that through a little more...

8 out of 10 white males vote republican and when Dems in office they usually complain that they pander to minorities, women, etc. and complain about AA. You are insinuating that because all the presidents are white male that somehow they are always to be in favor of all white males, that isn't true, take Clinton or Gore, etc.

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: Corn

Absolutely we differ, to a degree I think you'd find hard to imagine. An apology from you would mean nothing to me anyway. This isn't THAT sort of discussion. And just for the record, I'm not at all frustrated by your views on self-defense. I'm contemptuos of them, and it has NOTHING to do with your obvious religious leanings. Something else for you to consider: When you vote for someone who wants to make me helpless in the face of barbarity, you're voting for someone who wants to disarm my wife as well. At that point you move past being "rude" and firmly place yourself in the mortal enemy category. And there are millions of people who feel just as I do. Think about that in between sermons, sir.

My god, and some people here think I'm a pompus ass..........

I don't know what kind of danger you face in the world on a daily basis HW, but rest assured I have relied on my CCW to keep me safe. While I may roll my eyes occasionally at the suggestion that removing guns from society will cause criminals to love instead of hate, by no means do I consider those who hold those opinions to be "mortal enemies".

Your behavior merely gives creedence to the "gun nut" stereotype. I certainly don't need you arguing for my right to possess my firearms thank you very much.

And they're right, you are a pompous ass of galactic proportions. You prove it every time you pretend to understand EVERY aspect of life, Corny. You say you don't know what my situation is. That's right, you have no focking idea. That's why you should shut up about it until such as time that you do if ever. Besides, you just have you ass on your shoulders because I'm godless, right? Arguing for your rights? Dude, I couldn't care less what happens to you.

 

[seriousbro]

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: Corn

Absolutely we differ, to a degree I think you'd find hard to imagine. An apology from you would mean nothing to me anyway. This isn't THAT sort of discussion. And just for the record, I'm not at all frustrated by your views on self-defense. I'm contemptuos of them, and it has NOTHING to do with your obvious religious leanings. Something else for you to consider: When you vote for someone who wants to make me helpless in the face of barbarity, you're voting for someone who wants to disarm my wife as well. At that point you move past being "rude" and firmly place yourself in the mortal enemy category. And there are millions of people who feel just as I do. Think about that in between sermons, sir.

My god, and some people here think I'm a pompus ass..........

I don't know what kind of danger you face in the world on a daily basis HW, but rest assured I have relied on my CCW to keep me safe. While I may roll my eyes occasionally at the suggestion that removing guns from society will cause criminals to love instead of hate, by no means do I consider those who hold those opinions to be "mortal enemies".

Your behavior merely gives creedence to the "gun nut" stereotype. I certainly don't need you arguing for my right to possess my firearms thank you very much.

And they're right, you are a pompous ass of galactic proportions. You prove it every time you pretend to understand EVERY aspect of life, Corny. You say you don't know what my situation is. That's right, you have no focking idea. That's why you should shut up about it until such as time that you do if ever. Besides, you just have you ass on your shoulders because I'm godless, right? Arguing for your rights? Dude, I couldn't care less what happens to you.

wow Corn was Owned like da a Biznitch he is Fa shizzle dawg LOL LOL LOL

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: busmaster11

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: busmaster11

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Absolutely we differ, to a degree I think you'd find hard to imagine. An apology from you would mean nothing to me anyway. This isn't THAT sort of discussion. And just for the record, I'm not at all frustrated by your views on self-defense. I'm contemptuos of them, and it has NOTHING to do with your obvious religious leanings. Something else for you to consider: When you vote for someone who wants to make me helpless in the face of barbarity, you're voting for someone who wants to disarm my wife as well. At that point you move past being "rude" and firmly place yourself in the mortal enemy category. And there are millions of people who feel just as I do. Think about that in between sermons, sir.

Indeed. If you believed what I believed - that there is someone out there who loves you and those you love in a perfect way, more perfect that you could possibly love, your heart will be filled with joy and warmth and you will no longer feel the need to be vigilant.

But I guess we'll agree to disagree.

Vigilance isn't a curse, holy man, it's part of the game. Your "joy and warmth" is a self-fommented illusion that can be shattered forever by a chance encounter. I've seen it happen more than once. When people are forced to choose between piety and survival the latter almost always wins.

Indeed.

Your last statement may be true, but you never admit to over-dramatizing things to make this point over and over. What a cursed life you must live to feel constantly in need of defending yourself.

While we all feel obliged to defend our families (as much as you'd like to think you're unique in that respect) we don't all feel constantly threatened by people and that our liberties are taken away when we're not allowed to carry weapons on the streets.

You're right - we can be mortal enemies. Because your freedom to carry weapons end where they infringe upon mine - that is to have the peace of mind where I can walk the streets and not have to worry about a gunfight breaking out. If someone was out to get you, most people including myself would have no chance with or without a gun.

What an ego trip.

Don't you dare accuse me of undo drama, at least not while you claim to have a deep and fulfilling PERSONAL relationship with something that doesn't exist.

"Obliged?" More weasel-speech from a pompous knowitall. It's my >responsibilty< to keep my family as safe as humanly possible, because NO ONE else will. You really need to spend some time pointing your nose AWAY from the bible. You seem to have no IDEA how dangerous the "streets" can be depending on locale. EDUCATE yourself before you start spewing religion-scented air all over a place like this. BTW, I can't think of ONE thing about YOU I want changed at the point of a "good" government gun. Why can't you find the will to do the same for me in all that love and peace you SAY you believe in? Also, I never SAID I was unique in any way, pansy. Control yourself.

Yup, in the political arena of "anti self-defense" we ARE mortal enemies, and you're well on your way to loosing. More than 3/4 of the states have CCW in some form or another, and more WILL follow, whether it chaffs your pompous hide or not. Aw here we go now, Handgun control pap 101. "A gun can't help you!" You're joking right? Do you have any idea how persuasive a gun can be? If they're useless then why do the high priests of your order (people like Sarah Brady) surround themselves with ARMED guards, holy man?

Indeed I do have an ego, Mr. Pious. But the difference between yours and mine is that mine is based on REALITY, not regular doses of cosmic thumb-sucking. "God, please keep me safe and warm!!!"

/me rescinds offer of malted beverage. Looks like you've had enough already. We still agree(overall) on the gun issue though.

CkG

Yet you still feel the need to focus your treacly nonsense on me as if I care. I'm curious what don't we agree on in terms of the 2a? Do you have a problem with unrestricted carry?

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: seriousbro

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: Corn

Absolutely we differ, to a degree I think you'd find hard to imagine. An apology from you would mean nothing to me anyway. This isn't THAT sort of discussion. And just for the record, I'm not at all frustrated by your views on self-defense. I'm contemptuos of them, and it has NOTHING to do with your obvious religious leanings. Something else for you to consider: When you vote for someone who wants to make me helpless in the face of barbarity, you're voting for someone who wants to disarm my wife as well. At that point you move past being "rude" and firmly place yourself in the mortal enemy category. And there are millions of people who feel just as I do. Think about that in between sermons, sir.

My god, and some people here think I'm a pompus ass..........

I don't know what kind of danger you face in the world on a daily basis HW, but rest assured I have relied on my CCW to keep me safe. While I may roll my eyes occasionally at the suggestion that removing guns from society will cause criminals to love instead of hate, by no means do I consider those who hold those opinions to be "mortal enemies".

Your behavior merely gives creedence to the "gun nut" stereotype. I certainly don't need you arguing for my right to possess my firearms thank you very much.

And they're right, you are a pompous ass of galactic proportions. You prove it every time you pretend to understand EVERY aspect of life, Corny. You say you don't know what my situation is. That's right, you have no focking idea. That's why you should shut up about it until such time that you do, if ever. Besides, you just have you ass on your shoulders because I'm godless, right? Arguing for your rights? Dude, I couldn't care less what happens to you.

wow Corn was Owned like da a Biznitch he is Fa shizzle dawg LOL LOL LOL

But HE started it, as usual.

 

[seriousbro]

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: seriousbro

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: Corn

Absolutely we differ, to a degree I think you'd find hard to imagine. An apology from you would mean nothing to me anyway. This isn't THAT sort of discussion. And just for the record, I'm not at all frustrated by your views on self-defense. I'm contemptuos of them, and it has NOTHING to do with your obvious religious leanings. Something else for you to consider: When you vote for someone who wants to make me helpless in the face of barbarity, you're voting for someone who wants to disarm my wife as well. At that point you move past being "rude" and firmly place yourself in the mortal enemy category. And there are millions of people who feel just as I do. Think about that in between sermons, sir.

My god, and some people here think I'm a pompus ass..........

I don't know what kind of danger you face in the world on a daily basis HW, but rest assured I have relied on my CCW to keep me safe. While I may roll my eyes occasionally at the suggestion that removing guns from society will cause criminals to love instead of hate, by no means do I consider those who hold those opinions to be "mortal enemies".

I may disagree with you politically but I like you, you don't take crap from some of these people who call themselves Cons when in reality they are a bunch of nimrods who would better be described as dixiecrats not true blue cons.

Your behavior merely gives creedence to the "gun nut" stereotype. I certainly don't need you arguing for my right to possess my firearms thank you very much.

And they're right, you are a pompous ass of galactic proportions. You prove it every time you pretend to understand EVERY aspect of life, Corny. You say you don't know what my situation is. That's right, you have no focking idea. That's why you should shut up about it until such as time that you do if ever. Besides, you just have you ass on your shoulders because I'm godless, right? Arguing for your rights? Dude, I couldn't care less what happens to you.

wow Corn was Owned like da a Biznitch he is Fa shizzle dawg LOL LOL LOL

But HE started it, as usual.

I like you man you don't take crap