The problem with blacks in america is...

[drebo]

The problem with African Americans (note that I use this to distinguish between the different races of Blacks, such as Africans and those from Brazil, England, Francophone, or similar countries) isn't that the are treated differently...rather, it's because they expect to be treated differently.

It was touched on above...inner-city, urban black kids portray an image of glamourized hostility, violence, and drugs and expect to be handed everything. Those in the suburbs generally do the same thing, but to a lesser extent. Programs like affirmative action and other racial quotas have bred in to African Americans that they're owed something and entitled to a certain outcome without having to put any effort into obtaining that outcome.

African American leaders encourage this thinking and blame the White Man whenever a black family suffers hard-ship of any kind. White-guiltists enable this behavior through some misguided sense that African Americans are incapable of achieving the same outcome, and thus need special treatment.

African Americans aren't content to be equal to White Americans...they want to be more equal than White Americans. If they have to work as hard, it's unfair to them.

In reality, though, if a Black man can lie and cheat his way to the Presidency of the United States of America, as dozens of White Men have done before him, then there isn't really an excuse for African Americans to not be treated exactly the same as White people, nor is there an excuse for White people to provide them special treatment.

It's a self-fulfilling prophecy: African Americans are told that they're entitled, so they don't do anything to try and achieve things on their own. Instead, they do the opposite. They have children they can't afford. They buy cars they can't afford while living in a hovel. They focus on the image of the quality of their lifestyle (bling bling) rather than the actual quality of their lifestyle. And, they harbor hate and distain and a sense of entitlement toward those who achieve (yes, even Blacks that achieve.) And of course this behavior is glamourized by black "leaders" and pop culture icons, thus teaching the next generation to do the same thing and repeat the cycle.

One thing I can say, though...Oprah sure as shit didn't get where she is by waiting for someone to give it to her. African Americans should be more like Oprah...or Wil Smith...they work hard for their shit.

 

[Whiskey16]

The problem with blacks in america is basically that they have never been treated fairly.

Arkitech, thank you for your post emphasising the existing presence of prejudicial bigotry. It has individual through to country-wide harmful social costs. To combat and retard this bigotry requires its identification and intolerant vocal condemnation. I do wish for a day when all will chime out in annoyed offense against the likes of:

This is the image that we have of blacks. That's what I grew up seeing. When will black "leaders" address the gang culture and violence? Why not talk about keeping families together?
That's why L-a has a hard time. It's not the whites holding her back.... it's the blacks. But not even all blacks...

We don't talk about the opposite spectrum. For an accounting job, would Mr. Smithson or Mr. Cheung sound more appealing? Asians are stereotypically good at math and very studious and hardworking. Asians have largely avoided the news and big stories and flown under the radar. They don't cause waves, they work hard and succeed.

You represent the ill of society. Re-enforcing prejudices... Justifying them. You express disdain if one who is black dare be uppity in reacting and speaking against civil injustice. You desire meek compliance as is your prejudicially representation of Asians....

Sadly, your prejudices are representative of what enabled much of the USA's vile dominating social practices in its history. Not a history to find much pride. Relative shame is deserved. A liberal and free society as per its ideals has only been practiced and available to its population for a minority of its existence, and well tardy of the civil justice achievements of more mature states. Arguably, some in its society are still prevented from achieving civil liberty.

 

[Patranus]

Do you sincerely suggest that welfare, some civil rights laws and the EEOC make up for 300 years of oppression?

I mean we have come a long way from 60 years ago, but things are still pretty bad out there for (most of) the black community in America.

You think black people are the only people who have been "oppressed" in America?

 

[drebo]

You think black people are the only people who have been "oppressed" in America?

Indentured servitude was big the 17th and 18th centuries, and it was mostly White on White.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Sadly, your prejudices are representative of what enabled much of the USA's vile dominating social practices in its history. Not a history to find much pride. Relative shame is deserved. A liberal and free society as per its ideals has only been practiced and available to its population for a minority of its existence, and well tardy of the civil justice achievements of more mature states. Arguably, some in its society are still prevented from achieving civil liberty.

Civil liberty on who's terms.

More than anyone else has
Wanting special favors to be treated "equal"


the moment anyone ask for special treatment because of a non-handicap; they end up handicapping themselves.

As has been shown; any person can bootstrap themselves out of the bad situation if they desire/try and push through obstacles that are tossed in their way.

Color is not a barrier.
Location of original home is not.
Sex is not.

 

[Lithium381]

Arkitech, thank you for your post emphasising the existing presence of prejudicial bigotry. It has individual through to country-wide harmful social costs. To combat and retard this bigotry requires its identification and intolerant vocal condemnation. I do wish for a day when all will chime out in annoyed offense against the likes of:
You represent the ill of society. Re-enforcing prejudices... Justifying them. You express disdain if one who is black dare be uppity in reacting and speaking against civil injustice. You desire meek compliance as is your prejudicially representation of Asians....

Sadly, your prejudices are representative of what enabled much of the USA's vile dominating social practices in its history. Not a history to find much pride. Relative shame is deserved. A liberal and free society as per its ideals has only been practiced and available to its population for a minority of its existence, and well tardy of the civil justice achievements of more mature states. Arguably, some in its society are still prevented from achieving civil liberty.

huh? You represent the ill of society. You and your PC bullsht. My prejudices? I'll admit it, i do have prejudice towards those who present ghetto thug culture. Has nothing to do with race though. White, black, hispanic thugs? I think they're all terrible and dragging our society down. I've worked with many, many wonderful black people. Asians too. Professionals. They're polite and have a sense of self-esteem and respect other people. I respected them as well. Same for any other race.

Don't try and justify the blacks overwhelming population of the ghetto thug culture by hiding behind calling others racists. It's just dishonest.

 

[Whiskey16]

Civil liberty on who's terms.

Evidently, eventually upon your own country's terms after a tardy fashion of legal implementation. Must I list the timeline of changes in terms of legislated civil rights?

More than anyone else has
Wanting special favors to be treated "equal"


the moment anyone ask for special treatment because of a non-handicap; they end up handicapping themselves.

No "special treatment" found in this thread. This is quite argumentatively dishonest of you. You have misrepresented discussion in order to irrationally deny the presence of racial prejudice in society and to disrespectfully dismiss the content of the OP:

The problem with blacks in america is basically that they have never been treated fairly.

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But really how would you expect a group of people to act when the moment that they arrived in america they were treated as subhumans or animals? Imagine how you would feel if you were labeled before you even had a chance to demonstrate who you really were.

Just 50 or 60 years ago it was ok in america to force black people to use separate water fountains, to sit in the back of the bus or public auditoriums, to use different entrances in public buildings. It was ok to lynch and hang black people over the slightest infractions. How would you feel if that was your legacy? How would you look at a society knowing that you were considered to be inferior no matter what you achieved in life?

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I remember at 11 years old being placed in a school for advanced students (which was predominately white) and had to be taken out because of the backlash from the students, teachers and parents (this was in the late 1980's). I can remember times walking home from the mall or school and being verbally and physically harassed for no other reason than being black.

The concerns raised by Arkitech are of being treated as "inferior."

EagleKeeper, your are argmentaively lying through your teeth to fabricate "special treatment" being sought rather than the OP's effort to recognise prejudice and attain respectful equality.

As has been shown; any person can bootstrap themselves out of the bad situation if they desire/try and push through obstacles that are tossed in their way.

Color is not a barrier.
Location of original home is not.
Sex is not.

Wrong, on all accounts, EagleKeeper. All such points may evidently be a barrier to practiced equality. You also neglect to recognise another factor -- that of a period in time. Surely not all regions of the USA have or possibly continue to be practicing jurisdictions of social or legal equality in terms of race without the harmful effect of prejudice.

EagleKeeper, you have presented a twisted and fully incorrect portrayal of history and contemporary practice of race relations. You are in full error for denying prejudice as being a harming presence in society, you argue against a non-presented position, a position that is dishonestly only that of your own fabrication, and as such your post is fully disrespectful to the OP's heartfelt contribution of the prejudicial pains he has personally experienced.

 

[prism]

I don't think I've seen or heard anyone in my life speak in nearly an annoying way as Whiskey16. Using lengthy, overly-complex words (with typos) won't help you win debates.

 

[monovillage]

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-bash-mobs-southern-california-20130719,0,1569435.story

Organized "bash mob" crime rampages of roving groups attacking innocent people and businesses have been striking cities around the United States. Law enforcement agencies in Southern California have reported few similar problems -- until now.

In the last several days, there have been several reports of such group crime waves in South L.A., Hollywood, San Bernardino and Victorville. Long Beach police are bracing for another one Friday.

These so-called bash mobs of "flash mob" crime waves are organized through social media and have been a problem in Chicago, Philadelphia and Washington.

 

[Nebor]

I don't think I've seen or heard anyone in my life speak in nearly an annoying way as Whiskey16. Using lengthy, overly-complex words (with typos) won't help you win debates.

He might not win debates, but think of all the Palestinian children he's saved with his poorly strung together vitriol. Oh, none? They're still dying? Hah.

 

[Zaap]

Just curious, but what population of people has ever been treated 'fairly' by the powers that be in America? Ever? Anywhere?

Ummm. Chinese. no wait..

Japanese .... no wait.

The Irish. No wait...

Native Amer.. no wait.

Catholics... no wait.

Jews... no wait.

Poles, Germans, Italians, Russians... no wait.

Pretty much no one. That's why all of the above are permanant underclasses that can never get ahead and need poverty pimps representing them.

 

[StrangerGuy]

He might not win debates, but think of all the Palestinian children he's saved with his poorly strung together vitriol. Oh, none? They're still dying? Hah.

We should just excuse blacks from criminal laws. We know they can do no wrong and it won't be actually racist to others.

 

[klinc]

So let me get this. You get some blokes in Africa who knows nothing about regarding owning land nor have a written language who lived in tribal conditions where slaughtering each other and revenge is a common occurrence and you throw them on a boat.

Do you seriously believe that would you would let such a person loose among people who sees such behavior as barbaric?
Or would you try to educate them first to get along with a normal society and show them slaughtering opposing tribes in normal society is wrong?

Yes? No? Yes? Yes?

How the Fudd can you keep on comparing things that happen hundreds of years ago and apply them to modern situations.

Just like you get guys and groups running around I hate black people so you get guys and groups running around and say I hate white people.
Just because your a minority people say its OK because of a thing that happened over centuries ago.

OP where you there when they got off the boat. Did you consider the times back then and the attitude around the world those days? You are applying such a thig and place it into a moral standards of today. Which is wrong.

Do you know what happens when you do not teach Africans in Africa to let go of the tribal concept? About 150 000 get slaughtered and followed up by revenge where around 4 million people get slaughtered.

That is black people murdering black people. That is Africa when throw them among each other without teaching them what is seen as barbaric in a normal society.
Sometimes people have to some things that is seen as unfair and maybe racist to get a society on the same levels.

As for applying the stereotype in modern society. People go around saying the bloke dude running around with a gun and committing crime just as they say hillbillies run around hating black people and shagging their own sisters.

On is seen as offensive the other one a collection of good jokes?

Maybe the problem is that we should not treat anyone different or treat anyone special because of the color of their skin. If you give minorities special treatment rather to treat them as the same on equal footing you will have less people hating them. Because things like affirmative action will make people hate minority groups more.

Over 300 years people have made laws trying to make people see each other without applying color. Yet here we are today still applying words like black person and white males and colored kids.

Maybe governments should just put education first . But with a uneducated public its easier for politicians to manipulate the masses. That is why in Africa the last thing they will look at is the education of its people. They will rather build fancy homes and get fancy cars to build a school, pay teachers and let the kids o to school free.

So the snowball effect sets into motion.

 

[Doppel]

The problem with blacks in america is basically that they have never been treated fairly.

I hear all manners of discussions that characterize black people as criminals, ignorant, unintelligent, racist, etc.. But really how would you expect a group of people to act when the moment that they arrived in america they were treated as subhumans or animals? Imagine how you would feel if you were labeled before you even had a chance to demonstrate who you really were.

Just 50 or 60 years ago it was ok in america to force black people to use separate water fountains, to sit in the back of the bus or public auditoriums, to use different entrances in public buildings. It was ok to lynch and hang black people over the slightest infractions. How would you feel if that was your legacy? How would you look at a society knowing that you were considered to be inferior no matter what you achieved in life?

I grew up with an immense love for reading. I love all forms of books whether it's fiction, history or math, I enjoy the pleasure of reading. During my grammar school years many of my test scores were on the level of college students. Yet despite the fact that I had an obvious aptitude for the written word, more often than not I was judged soley on the color of my skin. I remember at 11 years old being placed in a school for advanced students (which was predominately white) and had to be taken out because of the backlash from the students, teachers and parents (this was in the late 1980's). I can remember times walking home from the mall or school and being verbally and physically harassed for no other reason than being black. The reason I bring this up is simply to point out that this kind of treatment will naturally cause a reaction. Let me state for the record that I have never treated or spoke of any person of a different race or color in a derogatory manner. Nor do I condone any one doing so, although I can understand the frustration of people who may react in a less than civil manner.

When I read thoughts and comments such as the ones expressed here ( http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2331735 ), I can't help but to feel a little annoyed. I could argue the statements made in that thread for hours, but in the end it would achieve nothing in the larger scheme of things. I realize that this post itself will likely not change many opinions or feelings, but in the interest of present both sides of a coin I felt the need to put my thoughts online.

Whatever you do be sure to keep reminding blacks how the world is against them. Be sure to coddle them at all times and instill within them a sense that they are massively disadvantaged. Any time one does well make sure you point out that they are a huge exception lest other blacks feel they could also achieve similar success.

 

[Paul98]

The racism that still exists in america and that so many people are blind to it.

 

[Agent11]

You do realize there are a lot of racist black people right?

 

[Attic]

Well Obummer is no MLK.

Maybe Ben Carson can get this right. Though I haven't heard him speak on race issues.

Race quotas will not solve anything, make no mistake when Obama said he wasn't suggesting federal programs to solve racial issues, something no one suggested, he was absolutely bringing up federal programs to solve racial issues.

Look up TMs offenses in school and see how he was failed by adults, whom should have given him the same consideration as a kid of any color but didn't because of race quotas, because the real thinking behind race based policy is questionable at best.

 

[Svnla]

That's a good plan as long as you have some source of income to let you live, and as long as you can get in to see the HR manager. In a big company, that can be a real challenge.

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That's just one plan. There are other plans such as apply with other companies, especially government entities or companies who work with government as contractors. If L-a is a smart black woman, she would be a double golden for companies (black AND female) to fulfill their AA/set aside programs. She could start her job search while she was in college to get experience and recommendation to go with her good grades and so on.

Then she could move back with parents to save money while she looks for job, she could move in with roommates to save money while looks for job, she could do this and that...and so on.

My point is it will NOT be easy for her for sure but give up and not trying her best is not the way to go IMO.

 

[buckshot24]

You do realize there are a lot of racist black people right?

There are probably more racist black people than racist white people percentage wise.

 

[bradley]

I spent a week all throughout the North Shore/LIJ Hospital system.... 14th largest healthcare system in the US and 3rd largest private employer in NY. I was seeing a very high percentage of black orthopedic surgeons, cardiologists, gastroenterologists, oncologists, neurologists, urologists etc., along with many Indian, Asian and white.

Those are all demanding jobs with extremely long hours. With limited time in their schedules, the OP's screed probably would be incomprehensible to them.

 

[Vic Vega]

Do you sincerely suggest that welfare, some civil rights laws and the EEOC make up for 300 years of oppression?

I mean we have come a long way from 60 years ago, but things are still pretty bad out there for (most of) the black community in America.

Wow, you're stupid.

 

[yllus]

Seriously, every person has the same chance to make whatever they want for themselves in life. We are all the same.

That's absurd. Of course we don't all have the chance to make whatever we want of ourselves. Or are you saying that children who grow up living in a garbage dump have the same chances to succeed as someone in the West does?

The point Arkitech is pretty well proven - blacks in America don't get a fair shake in a number of situations. One such situation would be getting a job interview.

Racial Bias in Hiring

The authors find that applicants with white-sounding names are 50 percent more likely to get called for an initial interview than applicants with African-American-sounding names. Applicants with white names need to send about 10 resumes to get one callback, whereas applicants with African-American names need to send about 15 resumes to achieve the same result.

In addition, race greatly affects how much applicants benefit from having more experience and credentials. White job applicants with higher-quality resumes received 30 percent more callbacks than whites with lower-quality resumes. Having a higher-quality resume has a much smaller impact on African-American applicants, who experienced only 9 percent more callbacks for the same improvement in their credentials. This disparity suggests that in the current state of the labor market, African-Americans may not have strong individual incentives to build better resumes.

"For us, the most surprising and disheartening result is seeing that applicants with African-American names were not rewarded for having better resumes," says Bertrand.

Statistically, the authors found that discrimination levels were consistent across all the occupations and industries covered in the experiment. Even federal contractors (for whom affirmative action is better enforced) and companies that explicitly state that they are an "Equal Opportunity Employer" did not discriminate less.

 

[Doppel]

That's absurd. Of course we don't all have the chance to make whatever we want of ourselves. Or are you saying that children who grow up living in a garbage dump have the same chances to succeed as someone in the West does?

The point Arkitech is pretty well proven - blacks in America don't get a fair shake in a number of situations. One such situation would be getting a job interview.

Racial Bias in Hiring

This behavior-judging people by their name--is not entirely unreasonable and of course hiring managers do it for white sounding names that are idiotic as well. Your name says something about your parents and can to some extent be extrapolated to you. I would choose a Catherine over a Kathurin. There is no reason blacks whites or whoever cannot name their kid David or Rebecca.

 

[bradly1101]

Surely we can agree that racism as it existed needed to be changed.

Why are we discussing these laws in the same breath as equal rights for blacks? The laws are written for all ethnicities including whites.

MLK specifically spoke against discrimination against whites by blacks. He too was in favor of equal rights for all, not just blacks.

 

[Paul98]

In general it's that the racism that black people endure is very different than what a white person might. This is due to their places in society in most areas. Black people in america do have to deal with racism and people looking at them differently than they would most other people. I just don't think people think about what it is like to deal with people making negative judgments about you based on your skin color or name.

As for the laws that are racist against whites, I generally see that is something to help level the playing field. Not because one race is better than the other, but because people perceive it that way. Until our society becomes better at seeing people for just people, and I don't like the need for these laws, I do see the need for them.