The price tag for rebuilding Iraq.

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: BOBDN
We don't have the money to invade Iraq now. We're charging the invasion and sending the bill to future generations.

Sounds like the same deal as social security, the pride and joy of every Democrat. Don't worry where the money comes from, we'll just raise taxes later.

Both sides play the same game, they just have different strategies.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: BOBDN
We don't have the money to invade Iraq now. We're charging the invasion and sending the bill to future generations.

Sounds like the same deal as social security, the pride and joy of every Democrat. Don't worry where the money comes from, we'll just raise taxes later.

Both sides play the same game, they just have different strategies.

Don't forget Prescription Drugs....Remember - the Dems are saying that anything Bush signs will only be a down-payment....

Oh, and don't forget - we get to pay for SS and other entitlements year after year after year for the rest of our lives - not just a few years like we will for this war.

Both sides need to quit the open checkbook crap and start to take a close look at what the Federal gov'ts role in our lives should be.

CkG

 

[BOBDN]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: BOBDN
We don't have the money to invade Iraq now. We're charging the invasion and sending the bill to future generations.

Sounds like the same deal as social security, the pride and joy of every Democrat. Don't worry where the money comes from, we'll just raise taxes later.

Both sides play the same game, they just have different strategies.

Don't forget Prescription Drugs....Remember - the Dems are saying that anything Bush signs will only be a down-payment....

Oh, and don't forget - we get to pay for SS and other entitlements year after year after year for the rest of our lives - not just a few years like we will for this war.

Both sides need to quit the open checkbook crap and start to take a close look at what the Federal gov'ts role in our lives should be.

CkG

You're both ridiculous. Why am I not surprised?

The money being wasted by the Bush administration is more than enough to fund Social Security and a prescription drug program for AMERICA. But the dumbass in the White House is spending it unnecessarily in Iraq.

And Social Security is a program funded by taxes that is solvent and will remain solvent if the Republicans could keep their greedy hands off of the money collected for the program. What ever happened to Bush's promise of a "lock box" for SS funds?
It went the way of all his other promises.

We've been through this before cad. I know SS is a real sore point with you. But generations have paid their portion and anyone who tells people they won't be getting the return they're entitled to is a moron.

We paid all our lives for SS benefits in retirement. The money we paid in could have been used for retirement savings. But it's been paid now. We are owed our benefits. We paid for our benefits.

Now it's your turn to pay. Go to work. Shut your mouth. Stop bitching like a little girl and pay your share. You'll be old someday too. If you're worried about benefits being there for you when you retire tell the Republicans who destroyed our once thriving economy to keep their hands off the SS funds they promised to protect.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: BOBDN

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: BOBDN
We don't have the money to invade Iraq now. We're charging the invasion and sending the bill to future generations.

Sounds like the same deal as social security, the pride and joy of every Democrat. Don't worry where the money comes from, we'll just raise taxes later.

Both sides play the same game, they just have different strategies.

Don't forget Prescription Drugs....Remember - the Dems are saying that anything Bush signs will only be a down-payment....

Oh, and don't forget - we get to pay for SS and other entitlements year after year after year for the rest of our lives - not just a few years like we will for this war.

Both sides need to quit the open checkbook crap and start to take a close look at what the Federal gov'ts role in our lives should be.

CkG

You're both ridiculous. Why am I not surprised?

The money being wasted by the Bush administration is more than enough to fund Social Security and a prescription drug program for AMERICA. But the dumbass in the White House is spending it unnecessarily in Iraq.

And Social Security is a program funded by taxes that is solvent and will remain solvent if the Republicans could keep their greedy hands off of the money collected for the program. What ever happened to Bush's promise of a "lock box" for SS funds?
It went the way of all his other promises.

We've been through this before cad. I know SS is a real sore point with you. But generations have paid their portion and anyone who tells people they won't be getting the return they're entitled to is a moron.

We paid all our lives for SS benefits in retirement. The money we paid in could have been used for retirement savings. But it's been paid now. We are owed our benefits. We paid for our benefits.

Now it's your turn to pay. Go to work. Shut your mouth. Stop bitching like a little girl and pay your share. You'll be old someday too. If you're worried about benefits being there for you when you retire tell the Republicans who destroyed our once thriving economy to keep their hands off the SS funds they promised to protect.

No - the "money being wasted"

doesn't come close to paying for SS and prescription drugs - not even for one year
Gore had the lockbox
SS will not be solvent even if they put all the money the ALL "borrowed" from it.

OK - greedy old man - Now who the hell is going to pay my SS when I become an old man like yourself? No one - you know why? Because SS will have had run out of $$ long before I "got to collect my share". Fix it or ditch it.
It isn't MY fault you let yourself think that SS was a retirement plan- it's those that told you such and yourself. SS was NOT supposed to be a way of life - and wasn't supposed to provide a comfy retirement lifestyle.

No, I won't shut my mouth, and I'm not "bitching like a little girl" so you can shut your senile old trap - I choose NOT to see my money disappear before my eyes. I will NOT let SS suck the life out of my paycheck when there is no chance that I will ever reap those "benefits" when I get old. I will not let other entitlements suck the $ from working people's paychecks when they could be investing that money in thier OWN retirement. I'm sorry you fell into the "SS lifestyle" scam but we're going to change it wether you like it or not There are MANY like me, and we WILL change it, FIX it or DITCH it....so don't get too comfy there gramps.

Oh, just one more thing - what do you think all these big bad EVIL companies will do with pension health plans(this includes prescriptions) once the gov't decides to give them away? Do you think they'll keep those programs?
Who exactly wants a prescription Drug bill? I don't hear any old people clammoring for it. I hear a few saying they are "owed" it or "entitled" to it because they are old - but that's about it. No one really thinks it'd be a better plan than the one they currently have(unless they don't have one). I have an article for you to read but the Washington Post site is "undergoing maintenance" at the moment. It'll show you just how worthless a Prescription drug plan would be. But here is a part that I used in a different conversation:
"A Medicare drug benefit would simply worsen the country's central budget problem and that is the huge retirement costs of the Baby Boom generation. The typical member of Congress, now an older Baby Boomer, ought to wonder this, 'What am I doing to my children and their children?' From 2010 to 2030 the over-65 population in this country is projected to rise by about 30 million. Meanwhile, the working age population, 20 to 64, will increase by only ten million.''-Robert Samuelson

Now shuffle along, gramps

CkG


Edit - here is the link to the Samuelson article

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: BOBDN

And Social Security is a program funded by taxes that is solvent and will remain solvent if the Republicans could keep their greedy hands off of the money collected for the program. What ever happened to Bush's promise of a "lock box" for SS funds?
It went the way of all his other promises.

the money has to be spent. if the money was actually locked away for safe keeping it would put a huge drag on the economy, driving SS to insolvency. the problem is that there are less and less workers/SS collector.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: BOBDN
You're both ridiculous. Why am I not surprised?

The money being wasted by the Bush administration is more than enough to fund Social Security and a prescription drug program for AMERICA. But the dumbass in the White House is spending it unnecessarily in Iraq.

And Social Security is a program funded by taxes that is solvent and will remain solvent if the Republicans could keep their greedy hands off of the money collected for the program. What ever happened to Bush's promise of a "lock box" for SS funds?
It went the way of all his other promises.

We've been through this before cad. I know SS is a real sore point with you. But generations have paid their portion and anyone who tells people they won't be getting the return they're entitled to is a moron.

We paid all our lives for SS benefits in retirement. The money we paid in could have been used for retirement savings. But it's been paid now. We are owed our benefits. We paid for our benefits.

Now it's your turn to pay. Go to work. Shut your mouth. Stop bitching like a little girl and pay your share. You'll be old someday too. If you're worried about benefits being there for you when you retire tell the Republicans who destroyed our once thriving economy to keep their hands off the SS funds they promised to protect.

And again, everything bad in the world is the fault of anybody to the right of extreme left.

Social security will be solvent if the Republicans leave it alone. Right, because Democrats fight massive increases in government spending with every fiber of their being.

Things just get clearer and clearer about you BOBDN. You're a bigger fascist than those you espouse to hate. Now it's "our turn to pay". We should "go to work and shut our mouths". If we don't like the way things are being handled, then we're "bitching like little girls".

But when you bitch about the way things are handled, it's your right as an American. You're such a fascist it's sickening. It's even more sickening that you don't realize it, and apparently neither do some of the people who suck your dick everytime you make an Anti-Bushie post.

 

[BOBDN]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: BOBDN
You're both ridiculous. Why am I not surprised?

The money being wasted by the Bush administration is more than enough to fund Social Security and a prescription drug program for AMERICA. But the dumbass in the White House is spending it unnecessarily in Iraq.

And Social Security is a program funded by taxes that is solvent and will remain solvent if the Republicans could keep their greedy hands off of the money collected for the program. What ever happened to Bush's promise of a "lock box" for SS funds?
It went the way of all his other promises.

We've been through this before cad. I know SS is a real sore point with you. But generations have paid their portion and anyone who tells people they won't be getting the return they're entitled to is a moron.

We paid all our lives for SS benefits in retirement. The money we paid in could have been used for retirement savings. But it's been paid now. We are owed our benefits. We paid for our benefits.

Now it's your turn to pay. Go to work. Shut your mouth. Stop bitching like a little girl and pay your share. You'll be old someday too. If you're worried about benefits being there for you when you retire tell the Republicans who destroyed our once thriving economy to keep their hands off the SS funds they promised to protect.

And again, everything bad in the world is the fault of anybody to the right of extreme left.

Social security will be solvent if the Republicans leave it alone. Right, because Democrats fight massive increases in government spending with every fiber of their being.

Things just get clearer and clearer about you BOBDN. You're a bigger fascist than those you espouse to hate. Now it's "our turn to pay". We should "go to work and shut our mouths". If we don't like the way things are being handled, then we're "bitching like little girls".

But when you bitch about the way things are handled, it's your right as an American. You're such a fascist it's sickening. It's even more sickening that you don't realize it, and apparently neither do some of the people who suck your dick everytime you make an Anti-Bushie post.

My generation paid their share. Now it's your turn. I realize what useless, greedy cry babies some of your generation are but you'll just have to learn to grow up and handle your responsibilities.

As for the last sentence I couldn't quite understand you. You sound like your mouth is full.

Why don't you finish up and swallow then try speaking clearly.

 

[BOBDN]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: BOBDN

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: BOBDN
We don't have the money to invade Iraq now. We're charging the invasion and sending the bill to future generations.

Sounds like the same deal as social security, the pride and joy of every Democrat. Don't worry where the money comes from, we'll just raise taxes later.

Both sides play the same game, they just have different strategies.

Don't forget Prescription Drugs....Remember - the Dems are saying that anything Bush signs will only be a down-payment....

Oh, and don't forget - we get to pay for SS and other entitlements year after year after year for the rest of our lives - not just a few years like we will for this war.

Both sides need to quit the open checkbook crap and start to take a close look at what the Federal gov'ts role in our lives should be.

CkG

You're both ridiculous. Why am I not surprised?

The money being wasted by the Bush administration is more than enough to fund Social Security and a prescription drug program for AMERICA. But the dumbass in the White House is spending it unnecessarily in Iraq.

And Social Security is a program funded by taxes that is solvent and will remain solvent if the Republicans could keep their greedy hands off of the money collected for the program. What ever happened to Bush's promise of a "lock box" for SS funds?
It went the way of all his other promises.

We've been through this before cad. I know SS is a real sore point with you. But generations have paid their portion and anyone who tells people they won't be getting the return they're entitled to is a moron.

We paid all our lives for SS benefits in retirement. The money we paid in could have been used for retirement savings. But it's been paid now. We are owed our benefits. We paid for our benefits.

Now it's your turn to pay. Go to work. Shut your mouth. Stop bitching like a little girl and pay your share. You'll be old someday too. If you're worried about benefits being there for you when you retire tell the Republicans who destroyed our once thriving economy to keep their hands off the SS funds they promised to protect.

No - the "money being wasted"

doesn't come close to paying for SS and prescription drugs - not even for one year
Gore had the lockbox
SS will not be solvent even if they put all the money the ALL "borrowed" from it.

OK - greedy old man - Now who the hell is going to pay my SS when I become an old man like yourself? No one - you know why? Because SS will have had run out of $$ long before I "got to collect my share". Fix it or ditch it.
It isn't MY fault you let yourself think that SS was a retirement plan- it's those that told you such and yourself. SS was NOT supposed to be a way of life - and wasn't supposed to provide a comfy retirement lifestyle.

No, I won't shut my mouth, and I'm not "bitching like a little girl" so you can shut your senile old trap - I choose NOT to see my money disappear before my eyes. I will NOT let SS suck the life out of my paycheck when there is no chance that I will ever reap those "benefits" when I get old. I will not let other entitlements suck the $ from working people's paychecks when they could be investing that money in thier OWN retirement. I'm sorry you fell into the "SS lifestyle" scam but we're going to change it wether you like it or not There are MANY like me, and we WILL change it, FIX it or DITCH it....so don't get too comfy there gramps.

Oh, just one more thing - what do you think all these big bad EVIL companies will do with pension health plans(this includes prescriptions) once the gov't decides to give them away? Do you think they'll keep those programs?
Who exactly wants a prescription Drug bill? I don't hear any old people clammoring for it. I hear a few saying they are "owed" it or "entitled" to it because they are old - but that's about it. No one really thinks it'd be a better plan than the one they currently have(unless they don't have one). I have an article for you to read but the Washington Post site is "undergoing maintenance" at the moment. It'll show you just how worthless a Prescription drug plan would be. But here is a part that I used in a different conversation:
"A Medicare drug benefit would simply worsen the country's central budget problem and that is the huge retirement costs of the Baby Boom generation. The typical member of Congress, now an older Baby Boomer, ought to wonder this, 'What am I doing to my children and their children?' From 2010 to 2030 the over-65 population in this country is projected to rise by about 30 million. Meanwhile, the working age population, 20 to 64, will increase by only ten million.''-Robert Samuelson

Now shuffle along, gramps

CkG


Edit - here is the link to the Samuelson article

I'm not as old as you may believe and I have a nice little nest egg for my retirement contrary to your apparent belief.

As for your Social Security your generation better start making some babies so you can have workers to pay SS taxes. But I'm not sure that will help since your president is destroying our economy for decades to come with his unnecessary, boneheaded attempts at world conquest.

Maybe you could give him a call and try to talk him out of creating his deficit?

OOPS. Too late for that.

Oh, well. This is a democracy and us old folks seem to have a few more votes than you. Hmmmmm.....looks like you'll be paying those SS taxes and I'll be collecting my benefits. Thanks.

 

[BOBDN]

But let's get back to the subject.

The price tag for rebuilding Iraq.

It seems the price tag has increased recently.

$70 Billion + $4 billion per month + $87 billion is Bush gets the money he is begging for in Congress.

70bn + 87bn + 4 X 7 = 28bn that comes to $185 BILLION for George's Iraqi Adventure so far!

That's almost $26.5 BILLION per month to date!

If you consider the $87 BILLION is supposed to be for the remainder of the year it comes to about $18.5 BILLION per month.
But people are beginning to suspect the Bush administration is underestimating the costs of George's Iraqi Adventure so it may wind up being LOTS MORE!

Wow. I don't care what excuse you Bush supporters make. That's a hell of a lot of money. And we're not even factoring in the effect of all this on the deficit.

Last year Bush and Co. were saying the deficit wouldn't be as high as everyone was warning them it would be (sound familiar?).

Now they're saying the deficit for this year will be around $500 BILLION!

And next year due to the added costs in Iraq it'll be more! Around $525 BILLION!

Do you people comprehend those numbers? Are you still making excuses for this complete failure of an administration?

We'll be paying for the mistakes of the Bush administration for decades to come.

George Bush is the WORST president this country has EVER had.

The Bush administration is the WORST group of screw ups this country has ever had lead it. If you actually call this abyssmal failure leadership.

Time for a regime change here in the USA. I'm sure the Republicans won't mind. They always like someone else to clean up the mess their policies leave behind. And it gives them the opportunity to blame their successor for everything. Just as they always do with their predecessor.

And the Republicans call themselves fiscally responsible.

How the hell does this equal fiscal responsibility?

They take no responsibility. Like a bunch of well heeled frat boys. Someone else always pays for their mistakes.

Wake up people. You're someone else.

 

[BoberFett]

Your speech writer called BOBDN, she's been looking for you.

 

[BOBDN]

Originally posted by: BoberFett
Your speech writer called BOBDN, she's been looking for you.

Your typical moronic response, bober.

Oh, I see you're in the picture with my speechwriter!

But it's hard to tell which one of the sheep is you. The all look (and think) alike!

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: BOBDN

Originally posted by: BoberFett
Your speech writer called BOBDN, she's been looking for you.

Your typical moronic response, bober.

Oh, I see you're in the picture with my speechwriter!

But it's hard to tell which one of the sheep is you. The all look (and think) alike!

Gee, so clever. My 4 year old daughter is intelligent enough to use more than the "Nuh uh, you are" defense. That seems about all you can muster though. I always thought wisdom was supposed to come with age. Apparently somebody made a special exception for you.

If my answers are "moronic" it doesn't bode well for you. You spew the same party line daily. It's old. Get a new routine.

 

[amok]

Originally posted by: BOBDN

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: BOBDN

I'm not as old as you may believe and I have a nice little nest egg for my retirement contrary to your apparent belief.

As for your Social Security your generation better start making some babies so you can have workers to pay SS taxes. But I'm not sure that will help since your president is destroying our economy for decades to come with his unnecessary, boneheaded attempts at world conquest.

Maybe you could give him a call and try to talk him out of creating his deficit?

OOPS. Too late for that.

Oh, well. This is a democracy and us old folks seem to have a few more votes than you. Hmmmmm.....looks like you'll be paying those SS taxes and I'll be collecting my benefits. Thanks.

Actually, it isn't just the reps that think SS is a bad idea. A growing portion of the younger libs like myself (I can still call myself young at 30 can't I? ) believe entitlements like SS are a bad idea. I don't mind having valid safety nets, even support them, but entitlements are stupid. We will eventually erode the lib vote on this, and SS will be revamped into the safety net it was supposed to be.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: amok

Originally posted by: BOBDN

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: BOBDN

I'm not as old as you may believe and I have a nice little nest egg for my retirement contrary to your apparent belief.

As for your Social Security your generation better start making some babies so you can have workers to pay SS taxes. But I'm not sure that will help since your president is destroying our economy for decades to come with his unnecessary, boneheaded attempts at world conquest.

Maybe you could give him a call and try to talk him out of creating his deficit?

OOPS. Too late for that.

Oh, well. This is a democracy and us old folks seem to have a few more votes than you. Hmmmmm.....looks like you'll be paying those SS taxes and I'll be collecting my benefits. Thanks.

Actually, it isn't just the reps that think SS is a bad idea. A growing portion of the younger libs like myself (I can still call myself young at 30 can't I? ) believe entitlements like SS are a bad idea. I don't mind having valid safety nets, even support them, but entitlements are stupid. We will eventually erode the lib vote on this, and SS will be revamped into the safety net it was supposed to be.

A diamond in the rough?

:beer:

CkG

 

[HombrePequeno]

Originally posted by: BOBDN

And Social Security is a program funded by taxes that is solvent and will remain solvent if the Republicans could keep their greedy hands off of the money collected for the program. What ever happened to Bush's promise of a "lock box" for SS funds?
It went the way of all his other promises.

Actually I think the "lock box" idea was Al Gore's plan. Bush's plan was to let people get out of SS if they wanted to and put there money into a private retirement fund. It's nice that that actually happened...oh wait, it didn't.