The president is a criminal

[pcgeek11]

I know how to read just fine. I also know how to not state my opinions as facts, usually by qualifying them. You're just another living example of the garbage fire that is US primary education.

I state my opinions just fine. You obviously do not understand the way people talk.

Take for an example:

Take an NCAA Football game for instance. Alabama vs Old Miss. On Friday I say that I am convinced that Alabama is going to win the game Saturday. Am I stating a fact or an opinion?

That is obviously an opinion as it hasn't happened yet. Why would I have to say that it is an opinion? Why would anyone with two brain cells think that I am stating that as a fact before it happens.

Do you have to state qualifiers for everything you say? If so you must live a very sad life.

 

[pcgeek11]

Haha, more childish lashing out.

Next time don’t present your opinions as facts and you won’t have this problem.

Do you really think your childish name calling effects me in any way?

I didn't state my opinion as a fact. You are the one that declared them as facts when I asked you what the facts were that you accused me of making up.

See my example above about the football game.

 

[ecogen]

I state my opinions just fine. You obviously do not understand the way people talk.

Take for an example:

Take an NCAA Football game for instance. Alabama vs Old Miss. On Friday I say that I am convinced that Alabama is going to win the game Saturday. Am I stating a fact or an opinion?

That is obviously an opinion as it hasn't happened yet. Why would I have to say that it is an opinion? Why would anyone with two brain cells think that I am stating that as a fact before it happens.

Do you have to state qualifiers for everything you say? If so you must live a very sad life.

False equivalence.

What you brought up as an example is clearly a future event, your statement below could very well be about an existing situation and indeed it reads like it is.

I mean seriously the Democrats are hell bent to destroy anything and everything to get Trump with facts or lies it doesn't matter. As long as they get him.

Try again.

 

[Moonbeam]

Do you really think your childish name calling effects me in any way?

I didn't state my opinion as a fact. You are the one that declared them as facts when I asked you what the facts were that you accused me of making up.

See my example above about the football game.

I’m convinced the sky is green. I don’t care what you think about my opinion. I am entitled to have any opinion I want. You are entitled to any opinion you want. That means that my opinion that the sky is green is equal to your opinion the sky is blue. Facts are just opinions about what facts are. Do you see now why the sky is green and democrats lie and cheat? Do you admit I am entitled to my own version of reality. The sky is green and it is irrelevant what the wave length of light the sky allows to pass. My opinion is a reflection of the sacred nature of my individuality. I am important and so is my opinion.

 

[zinfamous]

Why shouldn't he be in prison? Because despite the left's best efforts people aren't tried and convicted on Twitter, Facebook or as result of a newspaper article. There's still that pesky constitutional right to a fair trial even for people who appear to be caught red handed.

"Lock her Up!" and all that, amirite?

 

[Vic]

Well to be honest about it the Florida Election has had a lot of questionable activities surrounding it.

Trump does have a habit of blowing things out of proportion.

Everyone should be critical of the way Florida had handled their elections for years...Decades. It isn't something new.

So "questionable activities" surrounding the Florida election empower the President to declare the winner by fiat? Can you refer us to the law that allows that?

 

[zinfamous]

The question was asked and the question was answered. It's pretty clear the op thinks he's seen enough "evidence" and the President should already be in jail.

Sorry Vicky, I've never been to a Trump rally and the rest is just typical TDS induced babbling.

so, you are now defining "TDS" as the opposition actually repeating the provable, recorded, oft-documented things that actual retarded Trump supporters have claimed over and over and over again?

Basically: "TDS" = "an inherent character flaw where the sufferer feels the compelling need to remind us of the actual truth of the actual ridiculous things that we have said."

Jesus Christ you are so fucking broken.

 

[Jhhnn]

So "questionable activities" surrounding the Florida election empower the President to declare the winner by fiat? Can you refer us to the law that allows that?

It's more like there are a lot of questionable aspersions around the Florida election. I'm pretty sure Trump knows jack shit about it. He's just pushing Scott's bullshit.

 

[Vic]

It's more like there are a lot of questionable aspersions around the Florida election. I'm pretty sure Trump knows jack shit about it. He's just pushing Scott's bullshit.

Ugh.. the biggest mistake that Democrats keep making about Trump is that he is stupid or doesn't know what he is doing. Please stop doing that.

 

[Jhhnn]

Ugh.. the biggest mistake that Democrats keep making about Trump is that he is stupid or doesn't know what he is doing. Please stop doing that.

Please. I've issued the same caution many times. Trump is a brilliant con artist. He doesn't know the facts because he doesn't need to, given the loyalty of his base. He can talk all the ignorant dog whistle (not dumb) shit he wants because they'll believe him. They believed in all this voter fraud cheating Democrats Woo since the GWB years, anyway.

 

[Moonbeam]

Ugh.. the biggest mistake that Democrats keep making about Trump is that he is stupid or doesn't know what he is doing. Please stop doing that.

Please listen to this.

 

[pcgeek11]

False equivalence.

What you brought up as an example is clearly a future event, your statement below could very well be about an existing situation and indeed it reads like it is.



Try again.

Nope. You and I both know what I meant. You just want to argue.

 

[pcgeek11]

So "questionable activities" surrounding the Florida election empower the President to declare the winner by fiat? Can you refer us to the law that allows that?

Is that what I said? No it isn't.

 

[interchange]

I am personally happy that @pcgeek11 has stated so clearly that he believes Trump should be removed from office should these crimes be sufficiently demonstrated. While I also believe what we know conclusively combined with the sheer amount of slime surrounding Trump provides able justification for any unbiased observer to judge these crimes as already sufficiently demonstrated, I don't think he is deserving attack for not falling in line with that as yet. I take him for his word that he believes a President who commits campaign finance felonies to get elected should be removed regardless of the President.

I suggest we start discussing the criteria that might be appropriate to demonstrate those crimes. @pcgeek11 I think Cohen's plea plus any substantiating evidence that Trump knew of the hush money payments (e.g. another witness testimony, recording, email, etc.) would be appropriate. What do you think?

 

[Greenman]

I am personally happy that @pcgeek11 has stated so clearly that he believes Trump should be removed from office should these crimes be sufficiently demonstrated. While I also believe what we know conclusively combined with the sheer amount of slime surrounding Trump provides able justification for any unbiased observer to judge these crimes as already sufficiently demonstrated, I don't think he is deserving attack for not falling in line with that as yet. I take him for his word that he believes a President who commits campaign finance felonies to get elected should be removed regardless of the President.

I suggest we start discussing the criteria that might be appropriate to demonstrate those crimes. @pcgeek11 I think Cohen's plea plus any substantiating evidence that Trump knew of the hush money payments (e.g. another witness testimony, recording, email, etc.) would be appropriate. What do you think?

The criteria necessary to demonstrate those crimes isn't decided by an internet forum. The evidence won't be click bait opinion pieces.
Trumps guilt has been clearly demonstrated to the majority here, most of you know beyond any reasonable doubt that he's guilty of a long list of crimes. What you should be doing is writing your congress person demanding impeachment proceedings rather than listing his numerous "internet guilty" verdicts.
It's nice to come in here and stroke each others ego's discussing the obvious crimes he's committed, but it does nothing. The information you want to compile to prove Trumps guilt is an exorcise in ostracizing pcgeek because he doesn't agree with you, and at the same affirming that your own opinions are indeed correct and shared by others.

 

[soundforbjt]

The criteria necessary to demonstrate those crimes isn't decided by an internet forum. The evidence won't be click bait opinion pieces.
Trumps guilt has been clearly demonstrated to the majority here, most of you know beyond any reasonable doubt that he's guilty of a long list of crimes. What you should be doing is writing your congress person demanding impeachment proceedings rather than listing his numerous "internet guilty" verdicts.
It's nice to come in here and stroke each others ego's discussing the obvious crimes he's committed, but it does nothing. The information you want to compile to prove Trumps guilt is an exorcise in ostracizing pcgeek because he doesn't agree with you, and at the same affirming that your own opinions are indeed correct and shared by others.

What do you expect a Republican Senate to do...The right thing? LOL ! Writing them won't do a bit of good.

 

[Jhhnn]

The criteria necessary to demonstrate those crimes isn't decided by an internet forum. The evidence won't be click bait opinion pieces.
Trumps guilt has been clearly demonstrated to the majority here, most of you know beyond any reasonable doubt that he's guilty of a long list of crimes. What you should be doing is writing your congress person demanding impeachment proceedings rather than listing his numerous "internet guilty" verdicts.
It's nice to come in here and stroke each others ego's discussing the obvious crimes he's committed, but it does nothing. The information you want to compile to prove Trumps guilt is an exorcise in ostracizing pcgeek because he doesn't agree with you, and at the same affirming that your own opinions are indeed correct and shared by others.

They knew Trump was crooked when they voted for him. They admire him for getting away with it all these years.

I confess to a certain grudging admiration for great con artists. Very grudging. Doesn't mean I'd vote for one.

 

[fskimospy]

The criteria necessary to demonstrate those crimes isn't decided by an internet forum. The evidence won't be click bait opinion pieces.
Trumps guilt has been clearly demonstrated to the majority here, most of you know beyond any reasonable doubt that he's guilty of a long list of crimes. What you should be doing is writing your congress person demanding impeachment proceedings rather than listing his numerous "internet guilty" verdicts.
It's nice to come in here and stroke each others ego's discussing the obvious crimes he's committed, but it does nothing. The information you want to compile to prove Trumps guilt is an exorcise in ostracizing pcgeek because he doesn't agree with you, and at the same affirming that your own opinions are indeed correct and shared by others.

Oh give me a break, the purpose of this thread was not to actually convict Trump of any crimes. You guys are being ridiculous. The purpose of this thread is that I'm genuinely interested in what conservative minded people think about their support for conservatives considering the fact that the evidence is pretty damn clear and yet Republicans do nothing.

Let's recap the evidence:

The purpose of this thread is that for the purposes of layman discussion it appears very, very likely that Trump has only escaped indictment due to his office.

1) We have his personal lawyer who already pleaded guilty to these crimes say he committed them at Trump's direction to influence the election.
2) We have the woman who received the payment saying it was to influence the election
3) We have the guy at the National Enquirer saying the same. Everyone involved in the transaction but Trump has said in effect that he committed a felony.

At what point is enough enough? At what point do you refuse to ever vote for another Republican until they do their job?

 

[mect]

Conservatives will just continue with the false equivalency playbook peppered with a little plausible deniability. See this thread for examples.

 

[brycejones]

You just want to argue.

LOL, the ironing

 

[interchange]

The criteria necessary to demonstrate those crimes isn't decided by an internet forum. The evidence won't be click bait opinion pieces.
Trumps guilt has been clearly demonstrated to the majority here, most of you know beyond any reasonable doubt that he's guilty of a long list of crimes. What you should be doing is writing your congress person demanding impeachment proceedings rather than listing his numerous "internet guilty" verdicts.
It's nice to come in here and stroke each others ego's discussing the obvious crimes he's committed, but it does nothing. The information you want to compile to prove Trumps guilt is an exorcise in ostracizing pcgeek because he doesn't agree with you, and at the same affirming that your own opinions are indeed correct and shared by others.

Are you assuming that my aim in posting this question to @pcgeek11 was to actually make progress in getting Trump removed from office?

 

[hal2kilo]

Oh, please. The only reason he's not under indictment is because he's the President. The DoJ doesn't indict Presidents. They might indict an ex-President, however, particularly if Congress removed them from office.

I do love the way Trump supporters have shifted from claims of actual innocence to the need for a fair trial. That would obviously be necessary in a court of Law where Blackstone's formulation necessarily applies but Congress needs to hold any President to a higher standard for the good of the Country.

I don't want him in Prison. I just want him out of Office because he's manifestly unfit to serve. Even if the Special Counsel investigation convinces Congress to remove him from office Pence will pardon him anyway. Which would be fine by me. Trump could go to brood atop his tower & try to defend himself against State & international efforts to destroy his crooked empire.

Thinking that's as good of an outcome we can expect, with the Senate we have.

 

[hal2kilo]

LOL, the ironing

Lol.

 

[realibrad]

Oh give me a break, the purpose of this thread was not to actually convict Trump of any crimes. You guys are being ridiculous. The purpose of this thread is that I'm genuinely interested in what conservative minded people think about their support for conservatives considering the fact that the evidence is pretty damn clear and yet Republicans do nothing.

Let's recap the evidence:

The purpose of this thread is that for the purposes of layman discussion it appears very, very likely that Trump has only escaped indictment due to his office.

1) We have his personal lawyer who already pleaded guilty to these crimes say he committed them at Trump's direction to influence the election.
2) We have the woman who received the payment saying it was to influence the election
3) We have the guy at the National Enquirer saying the same. Everyone involved in the transaction but Trump has said in effect that he committed a felony.

At what point is enough enough? At what point do you refuse to ever vote for another Republican until they do their job?

Ill take a stab at answering that last question.

Because the Right sees the Left as being so bad for the country, they are willing to vote for just about anything that stops the left from winning.

The point at which the Left becomes less harmful is thus extreme. When you exaggerate everything to absurdity, reality moves more and more out of focus. In a culture where passion means more than reason (not evidence), those that exaggerate the most are seen as being more truthful. The chaos that comes from that environment causes up to look the same as down as rationality is push out for more passion.

Personally, the only remedy I see for this assuming I am right would be civil rational discourse which simply cannot happen. People are too angry. Anyone that tries to call for civility and rationality are labeled things like "water carriers" or "stealth sympathizers" and recently "concern trolls" which relegates the position to irrelevance. That is because when people are angry, they want to hurt people. Right now, everyone wants to hurt the other side to protect themselves from their pain.

So, until things calm down, those on the Right will not stop.

 

[hal2kilo]

You being completely convinced of something that hasn't happened doesn't make it a fact you imbecile.

He can always fall back on but Hillary for HIS facts..