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The Pill

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I have to add my bit to the thread.

I am with Ornery 100%, perhaps not with such an aggressive tone but I agree.

My take is this: I have never insisted or pressured my girlfriend to take 'the pill'. I use a condom (and she uses a spermicide etc). If we want better protection then we abstain

Its very simple and sex, while great, isnt everything. Being able to abstain is actually pretty good, we feel better in our relationship because we are able to get around the 'must be having sex' attitude and the associated pressures and just be honest with each other. Give it a try sometime Grasshopper.
 
Originally posted by: grasshopper26
Originally posted by: Ornery
"Theres coitus, oral sex, and masturbation. To some people oral sex and masturbation just arent the same as coitus."

SNIP LONG LIST

I wouldn't be too flippant about "just taking a pill" instead, either!

All very good points...

But when you're with someone you're totally and completely in love with, sex is THAT good... It's like you become one, I can't put it into words that would be understood by someone who hasn't been there before. I'm sorry if you've never felt it before...

Grasshopper

So in love that if it came time for one of you to be sterilized and it would be much easier and safer for you you would go ick! and hold out until she went ahead and got tied?
 
Originally posted by: GirlFriday
Any woman, who takes the pill simply because her man tells her too, has no brain of her own, and unless she is being beaten into it, I have no pity for her. I don't care how lazy a man is, if I require a condom, and he won't wear one? He ain't getting any, simple enough. And I am sure that is how most women are nowadays, most of us take the pill for our own reasons, not simply because our men are lazy.

Exactly, what you said... 🙂

I don't expect Thumper to do it just for me, it has to be right for her too. Didn't get a chance to bring this up today when she was over here, we watch Austin Powers Goldmember, had lunch, etc...

If she were to ask me to keep using condoms, I'd be happy to do so.

Grasshopper
 
"If we want better protection then we abstain"

You're a better man than I am, because I've NEVER abstained unless there was a good reason, and not having "protection" is no reason at all! Without being graphic, I'll just say these noobs are pretty damn sad if they think insertion is the be all, end all of sexual gratification! Damn, they have 101 ways to pierce themselves, but only one or two ways to have sex... I don't know... I'm speechless! 😕

Further Reading:

The Joy of Sex Series by Alex Comfort & Julie Rubenstein
  • First published in 1972, The Joy of Sex quickly became a milestone in the literature of sex and love, selling millions of copies. Witty, wise, uninhibited, its daring combination of words and illustrations opened the floodgates to the frank and exuberant discussion of sex that was the first hallmark of the sexual revolution. Now, at a time when understanding of sexual issues ranges from confusion to fear, Alex Comfort gives us a completely revised edition of this classic, proving beyond a doubt that sex is still joyful.
I had that one under my belt before I ever even made it "all the way", years later. Matter of fact, I did quite a bit of study on that subject before having a go! Hell, I was reprimanded for showing a "naughty" playing card around the room by my fourth grade teacher. It's a subject I've NEVER grown tired of!

You have much to learn, in the ways of the orgasm, grasshopper...
 
Originally posted by: Migroo
I have to add my bit to the thread.

I am with Ornery 100%, perhaps not with such an aggressive tone but I agree.

My take is this: I have never insisted or pressured my girlfriend to take 'the pill'. I use a condom (and she uses a spermicide etc). If we want better protection then we abstain

Condoms and the pill probably provide about the same level of protection against pregancy... If the condom works for you, more power to you, it is a great solution for many people.

We've never used spermicides, that stuff is nasty. 🙂 (our opinion, to each his own there)

Its very simple and sex, while great, isnt everything.

Then you're not doing it right. 😀 😀 😀 j/k

You're right, it isn't everything... by itself it gets kinda boring if it is just a physical act. Sex is supposed to be so much more than that however, it is the melting together of two people in love, it is the physical embodyment of their feelings. It is as close as two people can become (without resorting to strange alien experiments!)

Being able to abstain is actually pretty good, we feel better in our relationship because we are able to get around the 'must be having sex' attitude and the associated pressures and just be honest with each other. Give it a try sometime Grasshopper.

ROTFL!!! I'm too afraid... I think she'd hurt me if I tried... 😀

Grasshopper
 
Originally posted by: luvly
"Naa, she isn't a computer person, she wouldn't find a place like this, much less go searching for it..."

Grasshopper, you always say this, but I'm confused. So the lady who posted in that what girl would you like to meet thread and whose nick was Thumper isn't your gf? 😱

Well, be careful. You'll say she'll never find these posts, she isn't a computer person, etc. but the computer and internet is becoming so widespread and accepted. People who would never visit the computer or internet years ago are now blending it with their other activities. So, you never know. Watch what you post would be my motto. But it might just be me again. 😛


I have to agree that women can be sneaky & they will somehow knows. If they don?t know their intuition will make up for the rest.

I?m sad to see that there are people truly believe that they are the ?Divine Emperor? and have a perfect relationship with their mate by knowingly do some thing that possibly isn?t approve by their other half.

IMHO, look will only last for a short time, because trust/love is what the relationship is base upon not deceitfulness.

There is a corpus of popular self-helps books out there for a reason.


 
Originally posted by: Jfur
So in love that if it came time for one of you to be sterilized and it would be much easier and safer for you you would go ick! and hold out until she went ahead and got tied?

Huh? Why are Earth would either of us ever need to be sterilized?

I'm confused because that reply doesn't seem to match what it was replied to. Did I miss something?

Grasshopper
 
Originally posted by: Ornery
"If we want better protection then we abstain"

You're a better man than I am, because I've NEVER abstained unless there was a good reason, and not having "protection" is no reason at all! Without being graphic, I'll just say these noobs are pretty damn sad if they think insertion is the be all, end all of sexual gratification! Damn, they have 101 ways to pierce themselves, but only one or two ways to have sex... I don't know... I'm speechless! 😕

She's got three entrances (only two of which we use), two hands, and two feet.

I've got two hands, two feet, one tongue, and one dick.

There are only so many combinations to be had... 🙂

You have much to learn, in the ways of the orgasm, grasshopper...

Oh, there are plenty of things you can do to bring a woman to orgasm, but most are just variations on a simple theme. Naming off positions is just a series of variations on that same theme.

You've got oral sex, masterbation (solo or together), intercourse, and anal sex (which we avoid).

There are a hundred and one variations on those themes, but everything to do with sex is just one variation or another of those four basics...

Grasshopper
 
Originally posted by: lowtech
I have to agree that women can be sneaky & they will somehow knows. If they don?t know their intuition will make up for the rest.

She knows I'm not talking about our sex life with her friends, so it has to be going somewhere else.

I?m sad to see that there are people truly believe that they are the ?Divine Emperor? and have a perfect relationship with their mate by knowingly do some thing that possibly isn?t approve by their other half.

That quote was not from one of my posts... Pay more attention. 😉

Thumper would be mildly upset if she saw everything I've posted, but she'd get over it. Truth is, cause she doesn't know any of you (for that matter neither do I), what possible difference could it make to her?

There is a reason I haven't posted either of our pics, because I honestly believe that would be the line that she wouldn't want crossed. So I am thinking of her wishes... 🙂

Grasshopper
 
Originally posted by: grasshopper26
Originally posted by: Ornery
"If we want better protection then we abstain"

You're a better man than I am, because I've NEVER abstained unless there was a good reason, and not having "protection" is no reason at all! Without being graphic, I'll just say these noobs are pretty damn sad if they think insertion is the be all, end all of sexual gratification! Damn, they have 101 ways to pierce themselves, but only one or two ways to have sex... I don't know... I'm speechless! 😕

She's got three entrances (only two of which we use), two hands, and two feet.

I've got two hands, two feet, one tongue, and one dick.

There are only so many combinations to be had... 🙂

You have much to learn, in the ways of the orgasm, grasshopper...

Oh, there are plenty of things you can do to bring a woman to orgasm, but most are just variations on a simple theme. Naming off positions is just a series of variations on that same theme.

You've got oral sex, masterbation (solo or together), intercourse, and anal sex (which we avoid).

There are a hundred and one variations on those themes, but everything to do with sex is just one variation or another of those four basics...

Grasshopper
Like I said, MUCH to learn...
 
Originally posted by: Ornery
Like I said, MUCH to learn...

This from the person who's wife has never used the pill, never been on it, has no experience with it, yet thinks it is from the devil himself!!! 😀

Grasshopper
 
"I agree with Ornery. Much to learn."

Hahaha! Are you married and Ornery's age? How would you know all of that already? :Q Did you buy those books teaching you. . . . :Q 😀

Or do you mean you have much to learn yourself? 😕 All right! I'm just teasing you. 😉
 
Originally posted by: grasshopper26
Originally posted by: Jfur
So in love that if it came time for one of you to be sterilized and it would be much easier and safer for you you would go ick! and hold out until she went ahead and got tied?

Huh? Why are Earth would either of us ever need to be sterilized?

I'm confused because that reply doesn't seem to match what it was replied to. Did I miss something?

Grasshopper


You were going on about how you'd never get a vasectomy -- what will happen when you have all the children you both desire? Is that going to be her problem (either through hormones or surgery)? If my husband were going to go on the male pill (if it were available), I'd be really concerned about it and do the research with him. Being completley in love with someone is more than just wanted to have flesh in direct contact with flesh and not being too concerned about conception. That's more lust, frankly. And I'm not saying don't use the pill -- just that the attitude of some men here seems to be "my pleasure is more important than her health" (not directly, but that's really where the logic leads; again, in many cases ill health won't occur -- but its the presumption that irritates me). So while you didn't mean that and I'm sure you love Thumper, I coudn't help but interpret your comment about vasectomies in that light.

 
I don't want to get snipped, but I wouldn't want my wife to, either. You guys are doomed to being on the pill for a long, long, long time if you won't get sterilized and can't work out any other ways to become one with each other. Either that, or you're going to have a LOT of kids!
 
Originally posted by: Jfur
You were going on about how you'd never get a vasectomy -- what will happen when you have all the children you both desire? Is that going to be her problem (either through hormones or surgery)? If my husband were going to go on the male pill (if it were available), I'd be really concerned about it and do the research with him. Being completley in love with someone is more than just wanted to have flesh in direct contact with flesh and not being too concerned about conception. That's more lust, frankly. And I'm not saying don't use the pill -- just that the attitude of some men here seems to be "my pleasure is more important than her health" (not directly, but that's really where the logic leads; again, in many cases ill health won't occur -- but its the presumption that irritates me). So while you didn't mean that and I'm sure you love Thumper, I coudn't help but interpret your comment about vasectomies in that light.

Getting your tubes tied... ICK! 🙂

There, feel better? 😉

The whole idea, for either a man or a women, grosses me out. I don't want Thumper to get that done any more than I want it done to me! There are a hundred and one other options, including using condoms! 🙂

Grasshopper
 
Originally posted by: Ornery
I don't want to get snipped, but I wouldn't want my wife to, either. You guys are doomed to being on the pill for a long, long, long time if you won't get sterilized and can't work out any other ways to become one with each other. Either that, or you're going to have a LOT of kids!

Great, I want a lot of kids... Personally I could live with 4, but I'd like as many as 6 or 7.

Grasshopper
 
So many responses to reply to 🙂...

To luvly

Perfect, but there is Mr. Close to Perfect. And that's a man who naturally does these things. I'm not about to try to change a man. I learned long time ago that I couldn't do that. He was set on his ways.

I honestly think it depends because if two people share "true" love for each other, sooner or later the smallest
things in their behavior may change for the better or their SO will broaden his/her SO horizons.

LOL! A lot of people tell me that even in real life. I must be a unique person. Don't worry, when I'm sure of myself, I will not hesitate to invite you all, even those of you who thought I couldn't achieve my goal, to the ceremony. Maybe it'll make news and you can all get to watch.

Thats interesting that other people say the same thing... My question will your head be blurred out ? 😀

Well, Grasshopper got what I meant, though I'm not frustrated (learned not to be in this regard). The inherent hypocrisy gets to me. And unlike other women, I will not compromise in something of this nature if it means the guy gets no responsibility at all. I was basically being sarcastic there.

Yea I got what you meant but that last remark about the taste of the guy's own medicine threw me off. I was like wth after the sense you made...

And don't worry . . . if I shouldn't find "Mr. Right", I'm prepared to be like some women who are still single, have no kids and have companions at their disposals.

I dont quite share that opinion, if I don't meet the lady thats going to be my future wife I'm not going to settle for someone to be my wife. Thats doing a disjustice to them and to myself. I've had some friends comment on that saying I've got balls. * shurgs * Just my view. I dont think I'll have companions at my disposal like you want 😉.

By the way, I doubt that would happen. I think I've found a potential Mr. Right. I'm still checking him out to be sure. But he's wonderful, not perfect but close enough, so far.

I hope you're not a contestant on Joe Millionaire? 😉 So far? After the lie detector test, manners test, personality compatibility test, music appreciation test, intellect and guile test, blood test screening, and finally the dna sample to make sure he has good genes and no hereditary problems test. 😛 😀
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To grasshopper26

Naa, she isn't a computer person, she wouldn't find a place like this, much less go searching for it...

Let me ask this whats going to happen when you guys live together? Sooner or later shes going to wonder why you're on anandtech? Or are your posts going to be going down. Also doesnt this count as hiding something from your SO? tsk tsk?

To Ornery

The first part of your list I agree with. But the second part Im not totally sure cuz the sample seems like they want to warn grasshopper26. But also can you trust all those responses? At any rate if myself and my SO (hypothetically speaking) came to the conclusion that her going on the pill would be the best solution I would definitely make sure to consult a trusted physican to take all the necessarily tests to determine which pill was best for her. Ultimately though I would never pressure or force her to choose the pill, its her body she
needs to do what she feels is right.

Funny on the further reading, I think I found that book in my dad's study when I was a precocious little tike curiosity about everything and not knowledgeable enough to know 😕 Only now I got reminded of it since you brought it up.

You have much to learn, in the ways of the orgasm, grasshopper...

Whats there to learn after both the male and female learn the all positions, all the possible erogoneous zones on their body and their partner's, learn all the possible hot spots like the G-Spot, learn to control their muscles like the vaginal and penile one. Sorry dont know the official name of that muscle. Also to learn how to have sex so that they are each multi-orgasmic. And finally when the guy goes tantric(which takes a ton of practice I might add), I guess maybe the gal can too? I guess with a lot of body control just like the guy. What am I missing?


To GirlFriday

Any woman, who takes the pill simply because her man tells her too, has no brain of her own, and unless she is being beaten into it, I have no pity for her. I don't care how lazy a man is, if I require a condom, and he won't wear one? He ain't getting any, simple enough. And I am sure that is how most women are nowadays, most of us take the pill for our own reasons, not simply because our men are lazy.

True... I demand my SO to have a brain of her own 😉

To Migroo

My take is this: I have never insisted or pressured my girlfriend to take 'the pill'. I use a condom (and she uses a spermicide etc). If we want better protection then we abstain

Thats rough but I think I could do it, if I was in that position.
 
You have much to learn, in the ways of the orgasm, grasshopper...

Whats there to learn after both the male and female learn the all positions, all the possible erogoneous zones on their body and their partner's, learn all the possible hot spots like the G-Spot, learn to control their muscles like the vaginal and penile one. Sorry dont know the official name of that muscle. Also to learn how to have sex so that they are each multi-orgasmic. And finally when the guy goes tantric(which takes a ton of practice I might add), I guess maybe the gal can too? I guess with a lot of body control just like the guy. What am I missing?
This is in reference to abstaining due to wanting better protection, other than the pill or an inconvenient condom. Good Lord, there's hundreds of ways to have sex without risking pregnancy, some of which are far better than simple coitus, and generally last longer to boot! I'd make a concerted effort to learn some other methods if you don't want to be on the pill forever and find condoms too much trouble. Not to mention the "being in a rut" aspect, which is why books like that were written in the first place.

Edit: That second list was about the "inconveniences" that women have to put up with, to bother with the pill. It's something brushed off lightly by the studs around here, but I wouldn't want my wife to have to go through any of those things, just for the sake of BC. BC is VERY important, but we've never had to resort to anything as extreme as hormonal manipulation.
 
Originally posted by: Ornery

This is in reference to abstaining due to wanting better protection, other than the pill or an inconvenient condom. Good Lord, there's hundreds of ways to have sex without risking pregnancy, some of which are far better than simple coitus, and generally last longer to boot! I'd make a concerted effort to learn some other methods if you don't want to be on the pill forever and find condoms too much trouble. Not to mention the "being in a rut" aspect, which is why books like that were written in the first place.

Edit: That second list was about the "inconveniences" that women have to put up with, to bother with the pill. It's something brushed off lightly by the studs around here, but I wouldn't want my wife to have to go through any of those things, just for the sake of BC. BC is VERY important, but we've never had to resort to anything as extreme as hormonal manipulation.


Ahh ok...

Still that second list has been mostly answered by the male significant others and not so much the females themselves. Thats already a problem because its not their body but the body of their gfs. Possibly not all those
problems the bfs stated could just be associated with taking the pill, but could come from something else.
 
I don't like the Pill... I have lots of reasons, but the biggest is that I'm not real crazy about being a guinea pig for the FDA.

Why not consider investing in this? I've heard it works very well if you are willing to follow the directions. It can be used to PREVENT pregnancy just as much as it can be used to plan one!

OvaCue

Aw heck, everyone should just go ahead and get educated!

Learn About Reproduction... How it works, and how to prevent it!
 
Originally posted by: Isla
I don't like the Pill... I have lots of reasons, but the biggest is that I'm not real crazy about being a guinea pig for the FDA.

How is that being a guinea pig? I think the pill is reasonably well understood at this point, 30 years later... 🙂

Anyway, she's coming over tonight, I'm going to bring this up... wish me luck! 😀

Grasshopper
 
Well, she's coming over tonight, and I've resolved myself to bringing this issue up...

I'm making dinner, a pair of ribeye steaks, white rice, green beans, and dinner rolls. I'll light a pair of candles, make it all romantic like. For desert, I've got Rocky Road ice cream, her favorite! Never hurts to put her in a good mood first. 😉

Wish me luck! 🙂

Grasshopper
 
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