The people did NOT vote for Trump

[Londo_Jowo]

I think we need ANOTHER thread on this sour grapes bullshit.

They're going to be crying for weeks.

 

[umbrella39]

I like the EC so much I think it should be extended to governor elections. If it is good for the country... why not good for the state... The UP in Michigan has always felt they get the shaft and that their votes don't count because if the urban areas in the Lower Peninsula get out and vote in large numbers, they can swing and election. Why not give each county and electoral count based on population then...

 

[jackstar7]

The rural folks of this nation want Professor Harold Hill to turn everything around. Not hard to understand at all.

 

[Fern]

How do you handle recounts anywhere?

Per state law. (US Constitution grants this power to the states.)

You must already know this?

Fern

 

[fskimospy]

Per state law. (US Constitution grants this power to the states.)

You must already know this?

Fern

You must know that was a rhetorical question, right?

 

[buckshot24]

I like the EC so much I think it should be extended to governor elections. If it is good for the country... why not good for the state... The UP in Michigan has always felt they get the shaft and that their votes don't count because if the urban areas in the Lower Peninsula get out and vote in large numbers, they can swing and election. Why not give each county and electoral count based on population then...

That would remove any candidates from places like Wayne County, just no reason to campaign there.

 

[umbrella39]

That would remove any candidates from places like Wayne County, just no reason to campaign there.

Well not really... They would get a very a large number like California does. If what you are saying is true, then there is simply no reason to campaign in CA on a national level either...

 

[buckshot24]

Well not really... They would get a very a large number like California does. If what you are saying is true, then there is simply no reason to campaign in CA on a national level either...

Did any candidates make any trips out there over the last 4 months?

 

[pcgeek11]

220,000 more people voted for Hillary. The Reps (respective Trump) only won because of the Electoral College.
(Second time in a row where the Reps could only win because of the EC)

80,7% of the population in the US is urban, and 19,3% is rural.

The EC of course exists to make the rural people who are as it happens overwhelmingly conservative equal to the urban people. Proponents of the EC say this is fair. But what is fair when 19% of people "override" the opinion of the majority? Why should not the majority of people have a say in the outcome of an election? Wouldn't it be logical that the outcome would reflect what the majority of people think? (Why should it matter WHERE people live?)

Proponents also say that the EC is necessary since otherwise the popular vote would screw up the vote, saying things like "otherwise California would decide the election for an entire nation" etc.

BS.

110 Million votes have been cast. If the popular vote would seriously "screw" election results the difference would be MUCH bigger, but not, like in a very close/tight election like this either almost perfectly 50:50 or only differ by small numbers like 220,000 votes. I am counter-arguing that the EC system MUCH MORE screws the election result than a popular vote based system.. its existence very obviously favors conservatives.

Maybe you interpret this as trolling, I don't care. FACT is, less people voted for Trump than for Hillary and the election therefore does not reflect the view of the majority of people.

Sour grapes at its finest right here.

 

[pcgeek11]

No, I am not crying. Believe me, I (try to) see this from both sides. Just stating facts. The system shouldn't "favor" anyone (even if it's not "the system's fault" of course that rural people are normally conservative). The matter with "I don't need to vote since it's already decided" not even taken into account. EVERY vote should count. I am aware that this EC issue is a can of worms, but to me this is a flawed system.

Every system is flawed.

 

[boomerang]

No, I am not crying. Believe me, I (try to) see this from both sides. Just stating facts. The system shouldn't "favor" anyone (even if it's not "the system's fault" of course that rural people are normally conservative). The matter with "I don't need to vote since it's already decided" not even taken into account. EVERY vote should count. I am aware that this EC issue is a can of worms, but to me this is a flawed system.

Does the rain in Spain stay mainly in the plain?

 

[LegendKiller]

lol - only slightly lower than the "Impeach Donald Trump" idiots.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

he stated a simple fact, the majority of the people voted for the nasty woman. the popular vote not jiving with the electoral vote has only happened 5 times ever. And only twice since the late 1800's. Gore in 2000, Hillary in 2016. So two times in 16 years. It's enough to question the system a little bit.

No, it's enough to make pathetic losers whine about the system. Both parties understand electoral math. Both parties know how to count to 270. And both parties know which states they're going to win for sure, which states they're going to lose for sure and which battleground states are up in the air and will be the keys to victory. And both parties plan accordingly. They spend time, money and effort where they need to, they ignore the places where they can't win and pay only lip service to the places they can't lose. Get that through your head: They are not trying to win the popular vote, they're trying to win the election. If the election was based on popular vote the strategies would be different, the spending would be different, the speeches would be different and the results would be different.

You and the other sore losers incessant whining just paints you as fools. Your complaints are like a football team that outgained their opponents 500 yards to 498 yards yet lost 35 to 24 bitching that the system is rigged and that yardage should determine the winner. Bullshit! The teams were playing for points, not for yardage and they would have played differently if some metric other than points on the scoreboard determined the winner. Hilary's team knew the rules of the game and the scoring system used and they planned accordingly. They lost. Grow up and deal with it.

 

[Darwin333]

Well not really... They would get a very a large number like California does. If what you are saying is true, then there is simply no reason to campaign in CA on a national level either...

People running for President pretty much completely blow off California and have for quite a long time despite it's huge population. It's a solidly blue state, there is no point in spending time or significant resources there.

If we went to a majority vote system the cities and large population centers would be the new targets of campaigns and basically the only targets. I do agree that something is inherently wrong with the current system as a person in a solid red/blue state that wants to vote for the other person basically doesn't really have a vote that counts and will not in the foreseeable future (like a republican in California). I guarantee that this does effect the outcome of the popular vote, you aren't very motivated to vote for a republican president in California because you know for a fact that it won't matter or count. So in our current system, which I agree is flawed, I think you have to take the popular vote with a grain of salt since even you agree that it tends to dissuade people in large population centers from voting.

 

[bradly1101]

Is it ironic or obvious that Trump bashed the EC?

https://news.vice.com/story/donald-trump-denounced-the-electoral-college-in-2012

 

[Blue_Max]

They're going to be crying for weeks.

Looks like it... they're building their support networks to cry each other to sleep. C'mon... seriously "progressives"...

 

[GagHalfrunt]

So in our current system, which I agree is flawed, I think you have to take the popular vote with a grain of salt since even you agree that it tends to dissuade people in large population centers from voting.

It influences EVERY aspect of the election. People are dissuaded not to vote if their state is solidly one way or the other. It dissuades candidates from spending in states where they can't win or can't lose. It dissuades get out the vote efforts.

Why would the GOP work on getting out their voters in Chicago? It won't change the results.
Why would Hilary spend time in Texas? She wouldn't win there anyway
Why would a republican in California rush to the polls knowing his state is solidly going to the dems?
Why would a democrat in Kentucky even bother voting while knowing his vote won't matter?

The popular vote is meaningless. The candidates don't factor it in and the voters don't factor it in. It's like a photon going through one slit or the other, the simple act of measuring it would change the results. Trying to claim that it matters only after you've lost the election on the metrics that do matter is just pathetic.

 

[OutHouse]

They're going to be crying for weeks.

and protesting.

Hillary lost, square and fair. get the fuck over it.

 

[master_shake_]

srsly

 

[interchange]

The popular vote/EC discrepancy wasn't because of over-representation from "rural" population (small states); it is because the big blue states are more blue than the big red states are red.

 

[umbrella39]

Did any candidates make any trips out there over the last 4 months?

Wayne County is not California. There are TONS of people who vote Republican in Wayne County. But I totally understand what you are saying. However, the same reason the EC exists on a national level is satisfied and would work the same way on a county by county basis at the State level with rural areas being more represented.

 

[ivwshane]

and protesting.

Hillary lost, square and fair. get the fuck over it.

So you are telling me that if the results were reversed and trump won the popular vote but not the electoral vote that trump and his supporters wouldn't be having a shit fest right now? Are you saying, with a straight face, that trump wouldn't have been screaming the election is rigged?

Shut the fuck up!

 

[Leyawiin]

Does the same not apply to red voters in blue states? I imagine there were a lot of Trump supporters in upstate NY and the Inland Empire of SoCal who made a similar choice.

This might be the case. A Republican voter in my state of California might as well vote for no one for president and just tick in the boxes for the propositions and local candidates. When the best they can hope for is 1/3 of the popular vote their opinion of who should be president is inconsequential. Its been that way since after Reagan. Same with NY, Massachusetts, etc... The winner take all mechanics of the Electoral College probably doesn't affect the total number of popular votes (most are going to vote for whom you like regardless of it "counting" or not).

 

[flexy]

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[Blue_Max]

Cornell college university students holding a cry-in.

For real. *sigh*

http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/29856/