The other holocaust.

[thirdlegstump]

Originally posted by: torpid
Wow. This is an even more bile- and venom-filled discussion among prejudiced people than the previous conversation on the rape of nanjing.

It's all in good heart : )

 

[LongCoolMother]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1

Originally posted by: Mo0o
The Japanese have already apologized repeatedly about this. China needs to get over it and move on. Right now they basically use this issue as a trump card in economic and other negotiations. Chinese people need to stop looking in the past and live in the present.

btw i'm chinese.

They refuse to even mention those deeds in their history books and there have not been general apologies, let alone for specific deeds. The Emperor never apologized. Some politicians have said that 'bad things happened', but only on a personal status and not for all of Japan, and they refuse to acknowledge the sex slaves as that might mean they'd have to mention them in the history books (OMG! It might mean the Japanese wouldn't look like the heroes of WW II!), and that they might have to compensate them for f*cking up their lives.

My great-grandmother (whom I have known still when I was a kid) was a prisoner in a Japanese camp, so screw anyone telling me that there is no need for the Japanese to acknowledge and remember the horrible things they did.

Several of the Japanese camps made Auschwitz look like Disneyworld, and I still think they should have nuked the Emperor's palace instead of Nagasaki.

perfect example of the ignorance of the people trying to recast this as the new holocaust. sorry, as bad as it was it doesn't compare. the victims of auschwitz alone are between 1.1 -1.5 million. the infamous rape of nanking was maybe 100-200k people. horrible yes. but saying aushwitz was like disney world? thats ignorance. anything the japanese did the nazi's did. from human experiments to rape and murder. the germans killed their neighbors, their own people in a systematic system of genocide. much of the japanese horrors can be explained as just the army running amuck. before the rape of nanking the the japanese had fought through massive resistance by the chinese.

Nanking is only a small part of the Japanese atrocities. And yes, Auschwitz was far from nice, but the Japanese were no angels compared to them either as some people would like us to believe. The horrible abuse of power by Japanese soldiers was actually encouraged by their government, and that is one of the things they do not want to acknowledge. They too experimented on prisoners, and they too killed a lot of people. Saying we should forget about it is saying we should forget about Auschwitz too, that the murder of millions of Jews in Europe is so long ago we shouldn't think about it anymore.

Both of my parents were alive during the Dutch hunger winter, and my grandparents on both sides had Jewish friends they took in to hide them from the Germans. I basically grew up hearing about WW II and all its horrors, and I think it would be good if they'd create a copy of Auschwitz (so the original stays in the current condition) to lock up people who claim the holocaust never happened, that 'we should let it go', that it wasn't that bad, or that future generations shouldn't be bothered with it. Let them experience the horrors themselves for a few months, and see if they are still so ignorant (and if so, just shoot them).

Yes, we cannot hold current generations responsible of deeds of their ancestors, just like we couldn't hold every Japanese or German responsible for the deeds of those who commited the crimes. But that does not mean either that we should not acknowledge what humanity is capable of inflicting on others, and that no group of people is free from flaws. There are no 'ubermenschen'. The Dutch and Americans acknowledge their part in slavery, the Germans their part in the holocaust, even the Vatican acknowledge their lack of condemnation against the Nazis, and the Japanese want people to forget their part in WW II?

nanking wasn't the small part of the atrocities, it was the main part, which is why its referenced each time this is brought up.

as for the other guy saying it was 300k, well thats the high estimate.

as for the resistence, it was definetly high in the battles before, even with the communist fighting the government. frankly i blame mao for much of what happened, and supposedly he was complicit with the japanese in a new biography based on newly released soviet documents to boot.

the thing is that it is not the same as germany. the enviroment of china is that apologys to such a regiem are just not prudent. if we stalemated with hitler would we apologize for dresden? chinas motives are highly political and while any sane person would push for an apology sometime in the future, pushing for one to the current oppressive dictatorial regiem while they continue to commit human rights attrocities to this day while white washing their own past is just rather unwise.

it seems you don't know the scope of things. Nanking was the largest SINGLE incident. atrocious events like the rape of nanking were occuring all over China. Nanking was just the largest single incident. it was NOT, by far, an isolated incident. estimates as high as 275,000 have been made for the rape of nanking alone. it doesnt account for anything else. all in all nobody can accurately estimate how many were killed all over the country. it becomes a question not of thousands, but millions.

 

[Kenazo]

I think if I was going to be a POW I'd far rather have been captured by Germany. If I'd been in a concentration camp due to being an undesireable..... well, you're majorly screwed either way.

And, is there an english version of the site the OP posted?

 

[DaShen]

Is someone going to have to post another Saaya Irie pic? ;P

 

[GoingUp]

Originally posted by: deathkoba

Originally posted by: Baked

Originally posted by: deathkoba
:roll: Get OVER it.

Wouldn't be saying that if both your grand daddy and grand mama were used as military sex slaves, then had their heads cut off in public and fed to dogs.

Sure I would and I would admit to my countries' mistakes too. Japan itself isn't perfect nor not guilty of all crimes of it's past but it sure is the most advanced form of civilization there is in terms of economic power and social progress. There's no denying that no matter how it got there and that's what makes all of the other almost 3rd world corrupt asian countries so jealous and angry because we got there and they have not. It's a mere complex issue. The difference with Japan was that it was able to overcome all of that while the other angry countries continously bring up past issues without fixing their own issues.

You don't think the US rebuilding Japan after they flattened it to the ground had anything to do with it?

 

[dc]

if you insist

 

[thirdlegstump]

Originally posted by: Gobadgrs

Originally posted by: deathkoba

Originally posted by: Baked

Originally posted by: deathkoba
:roll: Get OVER it.

Wouldn't be saying that if both your grand daddy and grand mama were used as military sex slaves, then had their heads cut off in public and fed to dogs.

Sure I would and I would admit to my countries' mistakes too. Japan itself isn't perfect nor not guilty of all crimes of it's past but it sure is the most advanced form of civilization there is in terms of economic power and social progress. There's no denying that no matter how it got there and that's what makes all of the other almost 3rd world corrupt asian countries so jealous and angry because we got there and they have not. It's a mere complex issue. The difference with Japan was that it was able to overcome all of that while the other angry countries continously bring up past issues without fixing their own issues.

You don't think the US rebuilding Japan after they flattened it to the ground had anything to do with it?

So go nuclear on China and Korea then and see if they'll recover as we did after rebuilding them. :roll:

 

[PandaBear]

Originally posted by: Mo0o
The Japanese have already apologized repeatedly about this. China needs to get over it and move on. Right now they basically use this issue as a trump card in economic and other negotiations. Chinese people need to stop looking in the past and live in the present.

btw i'm chinese.

Then why did they alter this part of the history in their textbook to hide it, and the head of state still visit the warshrine?

They did appologize, but what if Nazi is still in Germany, appologize, and the government is still Nazi and alter the history textbook?

 

[Chompman]

Originally posted by: PandaBear

Originally posted by: Mo0o
The Japanese have already apologized repeatedly about this. China needs to get over it and move on. Right now they basically use this issue as a trump card in economic and other negotiations. Chinese people need to stop looking in the past and live in the present.

btw i'm chinese.

Then why did they alter this part of the history in their textbook to hide it, and the head of state still visit the warshrine?

They did appologize, but what if Nazi is still in Germany, appologize, and the government is still Nazi and alter the history textbook?

Wow, way to bring back a thread that should had died away.

 

[DaveSimmons]

Originally posted by: PandaBear
Then why did they alter this part of the history in their textbook to hide it, and the head of state still visit the warshrine?

They did appologize, but what if Nazi is still in Germany, appologize, and the government is still Nazi and alter the history textbook?

Since you bumped the thread, how do you feel about China's treatment of Tibet from 1949 to present day?

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: PandaBear

Originally posted by: Mo0o
The Japanese have already apologized repeatedly about this. China needs to get over it and move on. Right now they basically use this issue as a trump card in economic and other negotiations. Chinese people need to stop looking in the past and live in the present.

btw i'm chinese.

Then why did they alter this part of the history in their textbook to hide it, and the head of state still visit the warshrine?

They did appologize, but what if Nazi is still in Germany, appologize, and the government is still Nazi and alter the history textbook?

Congrats on bumping the thread and not even bothering to read it in the first place. As previously mentioned, the text alterations are very rare and the shrine is meant for all soldiers of the past.

 

[Brutuskend]

Originally posted by: Dacalo
We all know about Nazi and their atrocities, but very little about the Japanese atrocities during WWII.

It's annoying that Japan is denying all these things that happened, let alone being apologetic.

*Warning, graphic*
Pics of atrocities, including mass murder, beheadings, killing children and women, sex slaves, and Unit 731.

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Read "Fly Boys".

 

[bob4432]

we just have to accept the humans are the most f*cked up animal on the planet. just accept that every human is mental and all will be ok :beer: