The Official Xbox One Thread

[ImpulsE69]

I'm kind of curious if MS will allow some sort of cell phone tethering feature, because as someone else said, yes there have been news reports of people going strictly to phone ( you know..those casual non gamers that MS is going after as a customer base).

 

[dpodblood]

I'm kind of curious if MS will allow some sort of cell phone tethering feature, because as someone else said, yes there have been news reports of people going strictly to phone ( you know..those casual non gamers that MS is going after as a customer base).

Why wouldn't you be able to connect to your cellphone via tethering? They would need to specifically restrict it, and there is no business reason why they would do that. You're cellphone hotspot is just like any other wi-fi access point so there's no reason it wouldn't be allowed.

 

[smackababy]

Why wouldn't you be able to connect to your cellphone via tethering? They would need to specifically restrict it, and there is no business reason why they would do that. You're cellphone hotspot is just like any other wi-fi access point so there's no reason it wouldn't be allowed.

Common sense would restrict it. The current datacaps and pricing for cell phone only internet is pure rape.

 

[blurredvision]

I love how people haven't brought up one of the main points of the Xbox one. Or at least I haven't seen much on it. That you cannot replace the HDD.

Games of the next gen will probably be 30-50 GB probably fairly regularly, and if you say they will average 25 GB, that is only 20 games that you can have installed and then you have to start uninstalling games to install new ones.

Who plays 20 games at once? I think your argument will be better suited to storing media. Of course, my opinion is that if you're buying movies on the Xbox or PS3/4, you're doing it wrong anyway.

Big win for Sony, huge fail for Xbox one

I don't think I'd call it a "huge fail". Swapping out the hard drive can't be that popular. With 500GB at the start for both consoles, that will last the whole console generation for most. Hell, my brother still uses his 20GB on his 360. Granted, he can't install games but he manages his DLC and such just fine. Again, he doesn't play 20 games at the same time, either. 🙂

 

[ImpulsE69]

Why wouldn't you be able to connect to your cellphone via tethering? They would need to specifically restrict it, and there is no business reason why they would do that. You're cellphone hotspot is just like any other wi-fi access point so there's no reason it wouldn't be allowed.

Do you mean like how they restrict renting/selling games, you know that feature that they added, and how are can't disconnect the kinect (which I shall now dub nondiskinect).

The way they are headed, I wouldn't be surprised if at some point they say, sorry unless you are using Microsoft Certified ISP carriers (Comcast) where we have monitor(spy) software in place, we have the Xbox 360 for you.

 

[ImpulsE69]

Who plays 20 games at once? I think your argument will be better suited to storing media. Of course, my opinion is that if you're buying movies on the Xbox or PS3/4, you're doing it wrong anyway.



I don't think I'd call it a "huge fail". Swapping out the hard drive can't be that popular. With 500GB at the start for both consoles, that will last the whole console generation for most. Hell, my brother still uses his 20GB on his 360. Granted, he can't install games but he manages his DLC and such just fine. Again, he doesn't play 20 games at the same time, either. 🙂

I'll just say, while probably not a huge fail, it's definitely a pro vs con scenario. Also, considering they are trying to tout this as a high end PC, they better expect users to do what PC users do, which is preload every game in their library just in case they may want to play it. Because, you know..people have choices...or at least they used to until the Xbox 1.

 

[Nintendesert]

Who plays 20 games at once? I think your argument will be better suited to storing media. Of course, my opinion is that if you're buying movies on the Xbox or PS3/4, you're doing it wrong anyway.



I don't think I'd call it a "huge fail". Swapping out the hard drive can't be that popular. With 500GB at the start for both consoles, that will last the whole console generation for most. Hell, my brother still uses his 20GB on his 360. Granted, he can't install games but he manages his DLC and such just fine. Again, he doesn't play 20 games at the same time, either. 🙂

Since everyone wants to liken the DRM BS that the XBone has to Steam, some of us have a couple hundred games installed. 😀

 

[purbeast0]

And that is what MS is banking on. They basically made an always online console, and gave developers the "freedom" to use always online services and such (like cloud computing), but knowing that internet sometimes does stop, added a buffer for how long the console will function without internet.


I also think MS is realizing the lines between single player and multiplayer are going to be increasingly blurred. Eventually, single player will just mean playing without anyone else, but able to instantly, should you choose. Diablo 3 already started down this road.

shit ... burnout paradise did this YEARS ago 😛

that is the first game i played that was like this.

 

[smackababy]

Since everyone wants to liken the DRM BS that the XBone has to Steam, some of us have a couple hundred games installed. 😀

I don't even have 1/4th of my Steam games installed. I could install them, sure, but I don't play them, so no point. I just download and install whatever I want to play at the moment, then delete local content when I am done with it. There are games I haven't even installed once yet.

 

[exdeath]

Do you mean like how they restrict renting/selling games, you know that feature that they added, and how are can't disconnect the kinect (which I shall now dub nondiskinect).

The way they are headed, I wouldn't be surprised if at some point they say, sorry unless you are using Microsoft Certified ISP carriers (Comcast) where we have monitor(spy) software in place, we have the Xbox 360 for you.

And your home game console will be like those demo kiosks that reset every minute unless of course you keep putting in dollars to keep playing.

 

[ImpulsE69]

I don't even have 1/4th of my Steam games installed. I could install them, sure, but I don't play them, so no point. I just download and install whatever I want to play at the moment, then delete local content when I am done with it. There are games I haven't even installed once yet.

We've already determined you are not the norm and yet you're buying into MS hook line and sinker. Weird.

Anyway, it really comes down to morals and values. If you don't value a few games over consumer rights, by all means, get an Xbox 1. Show them that soon they can just add a coin slot to your console and you will gladly put in the tokens (that you have to get exchanged in the MS shop).

(sorry, I'm trolling now, but I mean really..this is what the disturbance is about) The future of gaming.. I can give two shits about exclusives. I do give a damn about the value of my money though.

 

[torpid]

My point is your are limited to 500 GB and that is the end of story. Period. Another limitation I won't have.

You also haven't addressed what happens when your Xbone HDD fails. You think that won't happen? You think turn around from MS is going to be solid when you can just grab that 1 TB you have laying around and throw it in your PS4 the same day and have zero down time? ANd how much is MS going to charge for the 500 GB replacements? Probably like an absurd amount that you could buy 2-3 drives for. So instead of just going out to newegg or wherever has the best price, you are stuck with whatever MS wants to charge and thats it.

Thats like ordering a RAM upgrade from Apple when buying a Mac Pro

The external storage support for the XB1 makes this a lot less of an issue. Obviously it would be better if you could swap the internal drive, but being able to use the external drive for "everything" (per MS) that internal can be used for softens the blow considerably.

 

[AMDZen]

I'll just say, while probably not a huge fail, it's definitely a pro vs con scenario. Also, considering they are trying to tout this as a high end PC, they better expect users to do what PC users do, which is preload every game in their library just in case they may want to play it. Because, you know..people have choices...or at least they used to until the Xbox 1.

True that.

ANd I was using the 25 GB because that is most likely what I would see as the size of most games at launch. Games on the PS3 like GoW 3 was almost all of the 50 GB. I believe it was 45 GB or so.

I have a 500 GB on my PS3 and its just barely big enough. I download all my games off PSN, at least for the most part. Some I can think of off the top of my head

Uncharted 1 and 2 Drakes Fortune - around 20-22 GB each
God of War 3 was like 45 GB
God of War Ascension was 32 GB
Heavenly Sword was 18 GB
Ni No Kuni was 20 GB
FF XIII was 25 GB

I am assuming games will get bigger in the next gen but who knows. I would expect them to be. And blu-ray isn't limited to 2 layers, they can go up to 6 today no problems so they could use 4 layer discs and have 100 GB to work with.

I could easily see games getting to 30-40 GB on the regular.

 

[purbeast0]

Microsoft finally has provided some clarification on the whole "family sharing" aspect of the Xbox ONE:

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/06/microsoft-defends-the-xbox-ones-licensing-used-game-policies/

While this doesn't really help with the 24 hour check in, it certainly helps to soften the blow around the sale of used games, lending, etc...

someone posted this earlier too ... terrible article.

The only reason they're doing that is the same reason with the 'cloud' *cough, we mean DRM!* bullcrap, the same reason they're doing online 24hr checks, the same reason they're tying games to XBL accounts, etc :

GREED.

They want to resell you all new stuff. Look at the Xbone controller. There's nothing special about it that would technically make it not replaceable with a 360 controller. I GUARANTEE you they intentionally disabled 360 controllers artificially, just to sell you their marked up crap. $40-$50 for a controller that you know cost them $3-$4 to manufacture in China.

well no shit lol, this has been going on since the atari came out.

 

[ImpulsE69]

someone posted this earlier too ... terrible article.



well no shit lol, this has been going on since the atari came out.

if they really wanted to innovate and pull in the retro gamers, they would force you to buy both a joystick AND an analogue controller 😀

 

[purbeast0]

i did not realize that we have another psychic in this thread - AMDZen. apparently my xbox1 hard drive (that i don't even own yet) WILL FAIL! also according to him i WILL RUN OUT OF HDD SPACE!!

remember, this is the psychic that GUARANTEED 100000% that the broncos would DESTROY the ravens last year in the playoffs, and the ravens had no chance!!!

 

[torpid]

i did not realize that we have another psychic in this thread - AMDZen. apparently my xbox1 hard drive (that i don't even own yet) WILL FAIL! also according to him i WILL RUN OUT OF HDD SPACE!!

remember, this is the psychic that GUARANTEED 100000% that the broncos would DESTROY the ravens last year in the playoffs, and the ravens had no chance!!!

If you keep the XB1 long enough, the hard drive will fail. Years and years and years. That's just what they do. Given how avid of a gamer you are, though, I find it unlikely that you will keep it long enough to make the hard drive fail "of natural causes"

 

[ImpulsE69]

i did not realize that we have another psychic in this thread - AMDZen. apparently my xbox1 hard drive (that i don't even own yet) WILL FAIL! also according to him i WILL RUN OUT OF HDD SPACE!!

remember, this is the psychic that GUARANTEED 100000% that the broncos would DESTROY the ravens last year in the playoffs, and the ravens had no chance!!!

It's valid, because you know..hard drives fail. I work in storage, I know this for fact. I'm not just pulling this out of my ass. Hard drives fail. Regularly.

Now, YOUR (dammit i hate when I do that) hard drive might not fail, but many others will. Again, choice..or lack there of. Now, if they do allow games on external devices, then this might be a moot point.

I really liken much of what MS is trying to do to the failed PSGo. Yes...exactly like that.

 

[purbeast0]

and i'm sure hdds failed on xbox360, and i'm sure they failed on ps3 as well. and people replaced them and moved on.

fwiw owning computers for over 20 years now i've never once had a hard drive fail.

 

[zerocool84]

The only reason they're doing that is the same reason with the 'cloud' *cough, we mean DRM!* bullcrap, the same reason they're doing online 24hr checks, the same reason they're tying games to XBL accounts, etc :

GREED.

They want to resell you all new stuff. Look at the Xbone controller. There's nothing special about it that would technically make it not replaceable with a 360 controller. I GUARANTEE you they intentionally disabled 360 controllers artificially, just to sell you their marked up crap. $40-$50 for a controller that you know cost them $3-$4 to manufacture in China.

Xbox One uses Wifi Direct as the connection for controllers now opposed to RF 2.4Ghz on the 360 so not compatible at all.

 

[torpid]

and i'm sure hdds failed on xbox360, and i'm sure they failed on ps3 as well. and people replaced them and moved on.

fwiw owning computers for over 20 years now i've never once had a hard drive fail.

That's ridiculous. I've surely had at least a dozen fail in the same period of time. You should enter the lottery and use your hard drive serial numbers as your numbers.

 

[purbeast0]

Xbox One uses Wifi Direct as the connection for controllers now opposed to RF 2.4Ghz on the 360 so not compatible at all.

wired though. i am not 100% sure but i don't THINK ms has said anything about wired things NOT working. however they haven't said they WILL work so i'm guessing they don't. and since it's ms, i'm guessing they don't.

sucks because i have 2 joysticks i built that work on ps3 and 360, and another madcatz te that works on 360. i'll probably just mod my te with a wired x1 controller if i get one.

 

[dpodblood]

Common sense would restrict it. The current datacaps and pricing for cell phone only internet is pure rape.

Well if you're only using it for server authentication than it shouldn't be a problem. Authentication uses very little data. Even someone with a .5GB data plan should be able to do a month of 24 hour checks without any need to worry.

 

[smackababy]

That's ridiculous. I've surely had at least a dozen fail in the same period of time. You should enter the lottery and use your hard drive serial numbers as your numbers.

In 20 years, I've never had a mechanical HDD fail either. I guess some people just get lucky.

 

[Aikouka]

because it won't feel like you are racing against ai but rather against human opponents.

Based upon this article by Microsoft, it appears that Drivatar doesn't attempt to create a moldable AI based on others, but rather based on yourself.

Being that one of my main interests as a software developer is in artificial intelligence, I think it's a really interesting feature.

Who actually plays 20 games at once?

I think I have around half of my Steam library installed. It isn't because I play them all now, but it allows them to be available when I want to play them. The X1 is a bit different since you can play once you start installing though. That's one change I do like compared to the 360s sit-there-and-do-nothing mechanic. :\