The Official Xbox One Thread

[cplusplus]

Yeah, HDMI in and out is nice. An overlay or at least passthrough to a "snapped" screen would be cool.

I just WISH WISH WISH the NFL would do a Sunday Ticket subscription service for any console without having to have DirecTV. Sadly, I can't get a dish in my complex and that is the only reason I buy TV. =(

I am pretty sure they've done this for PS3 for the past 2-3 years.

 

[Larnz]

I like the look of a lot of the TV integration stuff but it is totally aimed at North America, I won't be able to use pretty much most of that stuff here :/

 

[Dankk]

Phil Harrison confirms that second-hand games will need to be "re-purchased": https://twitter.com/Espio1/status/336998311452098562

 

[lupi]

I find it interesting reading this thread because it really shows the hatred that MS has gathered over the years. Instead of going off of facts, or waiting for things to become clearer there quite a few people jumping on the FUD and spreading it as if it was fact. It's a stark contract to some other tech companies who don't get as distorted if they don't mention something.

Of course let's not forget the people that are looking for any reason to declare the thing a failure, things like the lack of games shown (even though E3 is right around the corner and the publishers will be showcasing them), lack of information on marketplaces where small devs can publish their stuff, or even the fact they didn't mention deep sea fishing rights (because let's be honest if MS didn't talk about they have to be hiding some fee for it) becomes yet another reason to shout out they won't give MS a dime. The reality is, the early adopters are going to buy it anyways, MS could have said here's the same 360 only now in blue and the fanboys would go nuts. The MS haters aren't going to buy it even if MS gave them money to, and those few people who are trying to decide between the Xbox and the PS4 are going to wait until it's a lot closer to launch and get more solid info.

Having said that, please continue the debates. I really do enjoy the posts (really, they can be informative and some are just plain amusing) arguing if the Xbox will charge you a fee to play games, or use your own internet. I enjoy the posts, really I do.

Or people could actually be discussing what ms has actually said and not be living with head planted up buttocks.





Microsoft's Phil Harrison has moved to clarify the company's plans for pre-owned games on Xbox One.

Speaking to CVG this afternoon, the corporate VP confirmed that Xbox One players who activate a pre-owned retail disc will need to pay the same price as the original buyer in order to access its content.

The exec said Microsoft "will always take a customer centric view" on the subject and pointed out that the planned measure will not prevent players from sharing retail games with their own household or when visiting friends.

"Our plans are very consistent with the way the world works today, which is if I buy a disc I can install it on my machine, I can play it and anyone associated with my machine can play it as well," Harrison told CVG.

"I can give that disc to somebody else - maybe my son who has his own Xbox One somewhere else in the house - and he can install and play it on his machine. I can come to your house with that disc, I can install it on your machine and we can play it and while I'm with you we can have all of the capabilities of that game.

"The moment I go home and notionally take that disc with me, you no longer have the ability to play that game. But the 'bits' are on your hard drive, so if you want to play that game you can buy it - you can go to the online store, buy it and it's instantly unlocked and playable on your machine. All of the privileges I just described in my house would now apply in yours as well."

The former Sony figurehead insisted that the Xbox One system is "exactly the same as owning a physical disc", adding that it's "just the method of distributing the 'bits' [that] slightly changes".

Microsoft has held high level meetings with its international retail partners on the subject, Harrison said, and Microsoft will later discuss plans for a system that will allow players to trade game ownership via Xbox Live.

 "Retail are very important partners to us and we've had a series of high level meetings with our retail partners around the world in the last few weeks, in advance of today," the exec added. "So our retail partners were disclosed of our plans and have been part of our process and planning for some time."

Pushed to elaborate on his comments earlier today that Xbox One will require an internet connection once every 24 hours, Harrison said Microsoft "has not made a specific announcement on the details of that".

He commented: "Xbox One is designed to have an internet connection - it does not require an internet connection to be on at all times, but many of the great features and capabilities of the system are unlocked via a connection to Xbox Live or the cloud so that all of the things you expect become unlocked.

"If your internet connection is interrupted because of a local outage many, but not all of the features of the game content you own you will be able to use, but not all because some of them are uniquely online experiences. BBC iPlayer of Netflix won't work if your internet connection goes down, as you would expect.

"Blu-ray movies and other single-player games that don't require an internet connection to Xbox Live will work. I think it is pretty rare of an outage of local internet connectivity to be more than a few seconds or minutes, so I don't expect it will ever impact on somebody's ability to use the system."

 

[Doppel]

Speaking to CVG this afternoon, the corporate VP confirmed that Xbox One players who activate a pre-owned retail disc will need to pay the same price as the original buyer in order to access its content.

That fvck.

"OH, of course we support used games. You can buy a used game and it will work! Yeah, you have to pay full retail, though, lols."

If this is true it alone would make my decision on next gen easy, since Sony appears not to be going down this path (though it is vague).

I will commit to neither one until they are close to release, but this would be a deal breaker for me.

I'm not sure he's entirely clear, though. That quote above makes it plain that a used disc is worthless because it costs as much to activates the game as buying new, but the dude's comments speak more to how the 360 works.

 

[poohbear]

Does the Xbox one have 8gb of DDR5 RAM or DDR3 RAM?

 

[zebrax2]

Does the Xbox one have 8gb of DDR5 RAM or DDR3 RAM?

Looks like its DDR3 since the internal shots shows a micron chip and looking at microns website it looks like micron doesn't produce GDDR5 chips

 

[tipoo]

https://www.gameinformer.com/b/feat...-ones-chief-product-officer-marc-whitten.aspx

• They want to implement live streaming of games. Think its a "really cool" idea.
• Pre-owned games can be sold.
• Hints that they wanted always-online to be 24/7 in order for the Cloud computing to enhance games through e.g. extra enemy A.I and increase the scope/scale of vision in games; more filled in screen. Cloud seems to be huge for them.
  
  Basically, he is asked if MS have made it mandatory to always be connected when playing offline, or whether they'll leave it up to the publishers. He confirms the latter, then goes on to speak about the benefits of an always-online system for gameplay. When Kotaku asked him a similar question earlier, he said he "hopes" publishers implement this. Couple this with MS's "infrastructure investments", according to Phil Harrison, on dedicated servers, plus how the machine needs to connect to install a game, you can probably guess what their original plan was.
• Acknowledges Sony has faster RAM but can't do comparison as he doesn't know the full capability of their hardware/OS, but believes XB1 games will look just as good if not better
• Acknowledges around 3GB of RAM reserved for OS
• Xbox Live fundamentals will remain the same
• Nothing concrete in terms of creating a backlog for 360 games to be made compatible on XB1, but if it does happen, the popular 360 games will be there first
• Plan to make family households with multiple consoles/accounts have access to more content in response to whether they will be discounts for family Gold members
• Nothing to confirm yet on what cable companies will be compatible with XB1's TV/DVR functionality. Probably still negotiating.
• Hints that no headset included with console. Megaton. Suggests Kinect will be default device acting as microphone

 

[gorcorps]

Yeah, HDMI in and out is nice. An overlay or at least passthrough to a "snapped" screen would be cool.

I just WISH WISH WISH the NFL would do a Sunday Ticket subscription service for any console without having to have DirecTV. Sadly, I can't get a dish in my complex and that is the only reason I buy TV. =(

They have that on the PS3, it's damn expensive though. I believe this year AND last year it costs $300 per season to get mobile access to Sunday Ticket (which includes computer, phones, tablets AND the PS3) and you don't have to be a direcTV subscriber.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Let's step back and analyze this rationally.

Does anyone really think that MS would take this alleged stance on used games if Sony were not doing something similar? Why even bother coming to market if this is the case?

 

[spaceman]

Let's step back and analyze this rationally.

Does anyone really think that MS would take this alleged stance on used games if Sony were not doing something similar? Why even bother coming to market if this is the case?

yes

 

[Axon]

That fvck.

"OH, of course we support used games. You can buy a used game and it will work! Yeah, you have to pay full retail, though, lols."

If this is true it alone would make my decision on next gen easy, since Sony appears not to be going down this path (though it is vague).

I will commit to neither one until they are close to release, but this would be a deal breaker for me.

I'm not sure he's entirely clear, though. That quote above makes it plain that a used disc is worthless because it costs as much to activates the game as buying new, but the dude's comments speak more to how the 360 works.

Sony absolutely wanted to go down this "no used games" route, but having seen the backlash, they would be wise to overturn that decision.

All this foolishness is related to GameStop, after all. Those guys are making a killing in the used game market, and MS resents it. So they decided to stop the practice at the gamer's expense. Gone are the days when I can take my buddy's copy of Akrham Asylum and play it through the end.

On a personal note, I despise their attempt to justify this as if it is a good thing for gamers. We're not stupid and it is not a good thing. Be transparent for once - GameStop's business model annoys you and you decided to stop it. That I could tolerate. At least verizon admits its protecting its own interests with its preposterous mobile data business plan.

 

[Axon]

Let's step back and analyze this rationally.

Does anyone really think that MS would take this alleged stance on used games if Sony were not doing something similar? Why even bother coming to market if this is the case?

Absolutely. Both companies were just waiting to see who would make the move first.

 

[Doppel]

Google tells me in q4/2012 there were 41m cable subscribers, 34m satellite, 9m iptv whatever the hell that is.

Is it too soon to conclude that this wont support satellite at all? It seems it won't.

 

[purbeast0]

"Our plans are very consistent with the way the world works today, which is if I buy a disc I can install it on my machine, I can play it and anyone associated with my machine can play it as well," Harrison told CVG.

"I can give that disc to somebody else - maybe my son who has his own Xbox One somewhere else in the house - and he can install and play it on his machine. I can come to your house with that disc, I can install it on your machine and we can play it and while I'm with you we can have all of the capabilities of that game.

"The moment I go home and notionally take that disc with me, you no longer have the ability to play that game. But the 'bits' are on your hard drive, so if you want to play that game you can buy it - you can go to the online store, buy it and it's instantly unlocked and playable on your machine. All of the privileges I just described in my house would now apply in yours as well."

why do they have to be so vague about this crap?

in the first paragraph he states that it's tied to you and your account.

then in the 2nd one it says you can bring the game with you and play it at your buddies house on his console.

then in the 3rd he says when you go home and take the disc with you, you can't play the game anymore.

so wtf ... does that mean at your buddies house, you can only play it if you go to his house with the disc, log onto your live account, and then play it? or can you bring the disc to his house, plop it in his machine, and it works?

all this vagueness is making me really skeptical about all this.

again, i personally probably won't really be bothered about used game markets crashing since i buy 99% of my stuff brand new, but the past few months i have been redbox'ing games i know i won't play more than 1 time through. so maybe if i can't rent a game it will really make me think twice about this console.

additionally, having to "install" games and enter a product key really bothers me. it bothered me on pc and it will bother me on a console, so that will be another thing that i'll have to wait and see how it plays out before i decide what i'm gonna do.

although, if they were to come out and say games retail prices will be like $30 or $40 brand new, then this could be a genius move on their part. (as far as the reselling goes)

 

[TurtleCrusher]

Not buying. No thank you. At least with a computer I can rationalize it with my wife. Not this with all the cons.

 

[Tweak155]

You know, their analogy of how the disc should be used actually makes sense. But if the disc is the "key", and your buddy buys the digital copy that is left on his XB1, where's his disc - his "key"?

So even their own argument is flawed. I'll have to admit, I was floored with the PS4 announcement - it actually made me want it. But the whole time I was anticipating an awesome NextBox announcement, and this is just completely turning me away. I actually like all the integrated features of the XB1 that they talked about (streaming, tv controls, etc), but let's be real here. The main point is the games, and they slaughtered them!

 

[Axon]

I don't understand the live tv feature at all. Why do I need the xbox to do that? Is it streaming over the internet? Isn't the obvious end game to take control of what I watch and somehow charge me for it 5-10 years down the road?

 

[purbeast0]

I don't understand the live tv feature at all. Why do I need the xbox to do that? Is it streaming over the internet? Isn't the obvious end game to take control of what I watch and somehow charge me for it 5-10 years down the road?

from my understanding, it's just a pass through to your providers cable box. but the benefit is you can watch tv while doing other things on your x1 in that snapmode thing where it's split screen.

oh, and you don't have to change inputs!

i love how they made changing the input on your tv sound like it was such a chore and a big deal to do. all you are doing is pushing 1 button, which is exactly as many steps as it takes to say "xbox watch tv".

 

[purbeast0]

You know, their analogy of how the disc should be used actually makes sense. But if the disc is the "key", and your buddy buys the digital copy that is left on his XB1, where's his disc - his "key"?

So even their own argument is flawed. I'll have to admit, I was floored with the PS4 announcement - it actually made me want it. But the whole time I was anticipating an awesome NextBox announcement, and this is just completely turning me away. I actually like all the integrated features of the XB1 that they talked about (streaming, tv controls, etc), but let's be real here. The main point is the games, and they slaughtered them!

exactly. this vagueness is pissing me off. stop using these lame scenarios and just be concise and tell us how the f it works.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

why do they have to be so vague about this crap?

in the first paragraph he states that it's tied to you and your account.

then in the 2nd one it says you can bring the game with you and play it at your buddies house on his console.

then in the 3rd he says when you go home and take the disc with you, you can't play the game anymore.

so wtf ... does that mean at your buddies house, you can only play it if you go to his house with the disc, log onto your live account, and then play it? or can you bring the disc to his house, plop it in his machine, and it works?

all this vagueness is making me really skeptical about all this.

again, i personally probably won't really be bothered about used game markets crashing since i buy 99% of my stuff brand new, but the past few months i have been redbox'ing games i know i won't play more than 1 time through. so maybe if i can't rent a game it will really make me think twice about this console.

additionally, having to "install" games and enter a product key really bothers me. it bothered me on pc and it will bother me on a console, so that will be another thing that i'll have to wait and see how it plays out before i decide what i'm gonna do.

although, if they were to come out and say games retail prices will be like $30 or $40 brand new, then this could be a genius move on their part. (as far as the reselling goes)

The game is tied to the gamer profile/account you use to activate it. Any console you log onto with that gamer profile will make the game playable. When you go home and take your gamer profile/account with you, the usage rights go with you. If your buddy wants to keep playing after you leave, and you do not plan to be on for awhile, you will likely be able to leave your account active on that console allowing him to keep playing. You can take the disc with you though, he will not need it (based on what I've read) Then when you need the account back to play at home, he can log you out of his console. I am making a few inferences based on the information available, but it seems reasonable.

 

[smackababy]

They have that on the PS3, it's damn expensive though. I believe this year AND last year it costs $300 per season to get mobile access to Sunday Ticket (which includes computer, phones, tablets AND the PS3) and you don't have to be a direcTV subscriber.

I called and asked about it and was told it was only accessible IF you were a DTV subscriber and got the Sunday Ticket premium (which, if I could still be a DTV subscriber, I would have gotten anyway). But, yes it is expensive. $300 a year to be able to watch every Cowboy game is worth it for me though, especially when I was living in a house with an avid 49ers fan who also wanted to watch every Niners game.

 

[purbeast0]

The game is tied to the gamer profile/account you use to activate it. Any console you log onto with that gamer profile will make the game playable. When you go home and take your gamer profile/account with you, the usage rights go with you. If your buddy wants to keep playing after you leave, and you do not plan to be on for awhile, you will likely be able to leave your account active on that console allowing him to keep playing. You can take the disc with you though, he will not need it (based on what I've read) Then when you need the account back to play at home, he can log you out of his console. I am making a few inferences based on the information available, but it seems reasonable.

yeah that is kind of how i got it as well, but that does not address that same scenario but my friend and i don't have our x1 connected to the net. from the example you gave (which is summing up the example ms stated) they make no mention of it requiring to be online. but then in other statements/faqs, it does mention that it requires being online periodically.

so does that mean if you keep your x1 offline, that after a few days they simply make your console unplayable?

so many unanswered questions. but it's still early and i'm sure these things will trickle out at some point.

 

[smackababy]

why do they have to be so vague about this crap?

in the first paragraph he states that it's tied to you and your account.

then in the 2nd one it says you can bring the game with you and play it at your buddies house on his console.

then in the 3rd he says when you go home and take the disc with you, you can't play the game anymore.

so wtf ... does that mean at your buddies house, you can only play it if you go to his house with the disc, log onto your live account, and then play it? or can you bring the disc to his house, plop it in his machine, and it works?

all this vagueness is making me really skeptical about all this.

again, i personally probably won't really be bothered about used game markets crashing since i buy 99% of my stuff brand new, but the past few months i have been redbox'ing games i know i won't play more than 1 time through. so maybe if i can't rent a game it will really make me think twice about this console.

additionally, having to "install" games and enter a product key really bothers me. it bothered me on pc and it will bother me on a console, so that will be another thing that i'll have to wait and see how it plays out before i decide what i'm gonna do.

although, if they were to come out and say games retail prices will be like $30 or $40 brand new, then this could be a genius move on their part. (as far as the reselling goes)

He is stating if you want to play without a disc and have the "rights" for the game, you have to buy it. Otherwise, as long as you have the disc, you can play a used game.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I am a Uverse customer, and they worked with MS to make it possible to use the 360 in place of a STB (excluding the DVR) AT&T charges me $7 a month for each extra box beyond the DVR that is include. So at $14 a month it requires only a year to get the money back for the fees involved with using a 360 instead. They stopped offering the switchover a while back, and stated they were working with MS to improve the solution. So, I am hoping that means they have a better solution yet, for the xbox1. If I can replace both mine and my son's 360 with a xbox1 and get rid of the $14 monthly fee, they could pay for themselves just by eliminating the STBs in both bedrooms.

And the ability to control the multimedia experience the way he did in the presentation appeals to me. Hand gestures and voice commands, fast switching, multiple onscreen media sources with interactive apps for some channels = I am in. The lynchpin is the STB thing though, That would make it a financial win if it works out.