The Official Xbox One Thread

[Xed]

Amazon pre-order is up for anyone wanting one

(reposting for people not watching the e3 thread)

 

[HisDivineOrder]

How come no one complains that Steam and Origin basically does similar as far as no second hand sales, tied to one account, various DRM's allowed by publishers...etc.

Because when you buy a game on Steam or Origin or wherever (notice the choice you have to buy wherever) digitally, you don't lock your $60 (or less?) purchase into a platform that has a shelf life of at best 7 years before the clock starts ticking on how much longer MS is going to let you keep playing your console that requires online AND isn't compatible with the new that's to come.

Imagine you bought most of your library on the Xbox 360 and then the One comes along. MS promises to support it and then does't. They decide the service doesn't need to stay up because they've moved on to One. Now all your 360 games that you purchased digitally because that's the future, right? All those purchases are tied to a device that has a limited lifespan and all those Call of Duty's with their expensive DLC's will all vanish into the aether the second:

1) The console that can play them dies
OR
2) MS decides they no longer need to maintain the servers for your older console that provide the games, authenticate the games or let you sell them.

Toss in the scenario where that shiny Kinect for Xbox One is no longer shiny, but is old and crusty. It dies a horrible death and suddenly your perfectly functional Xbox One won't let you play Halo Xbox One because of a Kinect camera you don't even want to use being broken.

There's your reason. Because the more complicated MS makes all the things that have to line up for you to play games on it, the worse it gets for the people of the future to continue to enjoy that console in the future. You know how all those people who love consoles have their SNES, their NES, their Jaguar, their 3DO. Hell, even a few still have their Wii U connected.

Those are the people who will find that the Xbox One is going to become nonfunctional the day that MS decides it has better things to do.

On the other hand, PC gaming is PC gaming. Steam, GOG, GMG, Amazon DVG, etc, etc. They're all offering options for Steam. You can back up your games on Steam. You can play in offline mode that doesn't do a check every 24 hours. You have options to make that game run even if there's a day when Steam goes away, but Steam isn't the one with a known history of dumping old products (Zune, Kin, Windows Phone, Windows Vista, Xbox 360 Webcam, Xbox Duke controller) the second the new hotness shows up.

Steam has a history of just doing right by the gamer. MS's the one with the pressure to prove they've changed and nothing about what they've done as a company in the last year especially does anything except argue against they're doing right by the gamer.

Just look how they've treated the PC gamer after they switched to Xbox and know that the day they think consoles aren't worth it to them, that's what'll happen to your Xbox One and the library of $60 games they're going to have you fill it up with.

Meanwhile, consoles come, consoles go. Steam libraries just carry on. Half-Life 2, System Shock 2, Tomb Raider 1, Tomb Raider (2013), Crysis 2, Wolfenstein 3d to Wolfenstein: The New Order, it's all there. Generations of consoles, purchases you'd lose when you upgraded to a new generation of console. Every generation there waiting on PC. Waiting for the day you decide to go back.

You bought it ten years ago? You can still play it. Try that with your Xbox 360 purchases once MS EOL's the Xbox 360 in a couple of years and the console you have dies.

 

[gorcorps]

How come no one complains that Steam and Origin basically does similar as far as no second hand sales, tied to one account, various DRM's allowed by publishers...etc.

Because I pay less for my digital PC versions than people do on used console versions.

 

[AstroManLuca]

Some of those arguments you can level against Steam as well, although I do agree with you that, at the very least, Valve has a better reputation than MS and doesn't have a history of leaving their users in a lurch.

While it is technically true that old consoles eventually stop being made, it will probably take a very long time before it's impossible to get a working Xbox 360. There are still people with functioning NESs and other 20+ year old systems. The slim 360s are reliable enough that at least some will stand the test of time.

PC gaming isn't exempt from backwards compatibility issues either, although PC games tend to be more inclusive. Really old games you can run inside an emulator, and most newer games can run natively. For the ones in between, sometimes it takes a little trickery. I bought a Hitman game on Steam and I had to look up how to get it to actually run on my computer. Eventually, though, you'll get to a point where you will need a separate older computer running an older OS in order to run older games. I don't see that as any different from having multiple older consoles.

I'm not even a fan of the Xbox One in the slightest, just making a point. My reasons for being okay with Steam are mostly due to trust (or lack thereof in MS's case) and cost, not freedom. Steam doesn't provide significantly more freedom than the Xbox One is rumored to. Sure, the offline mode is better but you're still relying on an outside company to grant you licenses to play games, licenses that can be revoked at any time.

 

[Dankk]

How come no one complains that Steam and Origin basically does similar as far as no second hand sales, tied to one account, various DRM's allowed by publishers...etc.

Because PC games on Steam are higher quality than their console counterparts, and more importantly, you can buy them on sale for five goddamn dollars.

 

[KaOTiK]

 

[Rage187]

$500, too much. $399 was my high point. I'm hoping the PS4 comes in at $350 since they aren't forcing their Move controller down our throats.

 

[purbeast0]

$500, too much. $399 was my high point. I'm hoping the PS4 comes in at $350 since they aren't forcing their Move controller down our throats.

is the eye camera bs thing shipping with ps4 or no?

 

[KaOTiK]

is the eye camera bs thing shipping with ps4 or no?

Don't think it was said, we will find out later today though.

 

[American Gunner]

is the eye camera bs thing shipping with ps4 or no?

Maybe we will get two sku's, one with the camera and one without. I just hope the one without isn't gimped in any other way to force gamers to get the one with the camera.

 

[purbeast0]

ok just wasn't sure. i think they will just have 1 sku though with the camera.

 

[KaOTiK]

lol

 

[smackababy]

^regardless of NeoGafs humorous captions, that gif is badass.

 

[Pheran]

Hey guys, not sure if the free game thing for gold members started already or what, but I just found out that Fable 3 on-demand is free if you have a Gold subscription. Grab it if you don't have it already.

 

[purbeast0]

the only way i would get fable 3 for free is if i could turn around and sell it for at least $5.

 

[gorcorps]

$500, too much. $399 was my high point. I'm hoping the PS4 comes in at $350 since they aren't forcing their Move controller down our throats.

It's built into the controller now, so I guess it depends what you mean by shove it down your throat since you don't have a choice but to always have it.

 

[Hugo Drax]

499 to play sequels.

I see it doing well at that price point, especially with all the customer punitive features it comes with.

Sony has a chance of taking this generation of the market. But knowing them, they will probably screw it up as well.

 

[chalmers]

$500 for that sham of a system...unreal. If I'm playing next gen console games, it's Sony or nothing.

 

[sze5003]

I'm looking up all the info now. Yeah 499 for pretty much similar specs to ps4 and have to pay for live, plus the constant online call home features, makes it seem a little over rated. They do have some cool games though. Titan fall looked nice.

 

[Todd33]

It's all up to Sony now.

Price? $399 or bust.
DRM? I want to own my games.
Specs: They already won.
Games? I saw nothing from MS so far, mostly multi-platform stuff and some poor looking exclusives (Ryse? lol)
Form Factor? nothing could be worse than the XB1 could it?
Release Date? They already said this fall, Nov is the latest, so tie or better.
Intended Market? TV, TV, TV, Kinect or Games?

 

[sze5003]

Aren't the specs pretty much the same? And the camera for Xbox one is 1080p I'm not sure about Sony's because I've never owned the eye for ps3. My guess is 50 bucks cheaper. Honestly, games will look similar it's all up to how they go about presenting things with the new technology now.

 

[cmdrdredd]

It's all up to Sony now.

Price? $399 or bust.
DRM? I want to own my games.
Specs: They already won.
Games? I saw nothing from MS so far, mostly multi-platform stuff and some poor looking exclusives (Ryse? lol)
Form Factor? nothing could be worse than the XB1 could it?
Release Date? They already said this fall, Nov is the latest, so tie or better.
Intended Market? TV, TV, TV, Kinect or Games?

If sony goes for $499 but has better exclusives lined up to show and with no paywall for F2P games and perhaps a continuation of PS+ then they won as far as I'm concerned.

Aren't the specs pretty much the same? And the camera for Xbox one is 1080p I'm not sure about Sony's because I've never owned the eye for ps3. My guess is 50 bucks cheaper. Honestly, games will look similar it's all up to how they go about presenting things with the new technology now.

Almost, the PS4 has more bandwidth and a stronger GPU overall since it's clocked higher.

 

[sze5003]

Yeah I noticed that Sony chose different ram to partner more with the gpu whereas MS chose to stick to higher latency so it's coupled better with it's processor.

Either way it's up to the game line up. Seemed like Xbox presentation focused more on the camera, and tv features, games we've already seen and heard of. I think both consoles are going to be nice but I'll go with whatever I don't need to pay a subscription to in order to play online. I'm not a huge online gamer anyway, for anything else that is why I beefed up my pc.

 

[BoberFett]

Hey guys, not sure if the free game thing for gold members started already or what, but I just found out that Fable 3 on-demand is free if you have a Gold subscription. Grab it if you don't have it already.

This isn't going to make me like their heavy handed DRM bullshit, but I'll take a free game.

Thanks for the heads up.

 

[tential]

$500, too much. $399 was my high point. I'm hoping the PS4 comes in at $350 since they aren't forcing their Move controller down our throats.

Let me get this straight. 8 years ago, Sony released the PS3 at 600, and Xbox released at 500(?).

You seriously think they care (no offense) about the consumer who has a $399 high point? 8 years of price inflation, yet we STILL get a $500 dollar price point from Sony. That's lucky for us.

To any person who thinks Sony is releasing at $399, I'm telling you you're wrong, and I'll gloat in 15 minutes when I'm proved right.

The differences between Sony and Xbox will not be that much, I'm guaranteeing it.

And I'll guarantee that 4 months from now, NO ONE will remember any of this, and whatever MS and Sony are saying then will be what you remember. The consumer's memory is as short as a goldfish.