The Official Xbox One Thread

[purbeast0]

That Phil spencer article is basically what many people on these boards said after e3 but people love to hate. Just go look at the thread in ATOT right now about apple suing Samsung there is even more there. And this forum for the most part is adults which makes it even more sad.

 

[ImpulsE69]

Microsoft Plans to be 'Direct and Honest' With Fans

What a novel concept.


Noooooo! Really? A more accurate reflection would be "I'm not sure MS could have done a worse job handling information regarding the Xbox One last summer."

Were they not direct and honest? I mean, they came out with guns blazing and pretty headstrong. People reacted negatively to the news and they backed down. Unless there was some hidden thing they weren't telling us (perhaps the overall goal that we all knew about anyway). Their mistake was the headstrong part and their attitude about the whole thing when people railed against them, not the information they passed.

I prefer companies tell it like it is. I get tired of political PC bs and market speak.

 

[exdeath]

There isn't anything to repair. We know at this point the totalitarian direction they want to go.

Anything they say or do now is just a cover up. Its politics. They know they moved too fast too soon, and no matter what they say or do now to ease the pain its just licking the wounds while still having their eyes on the same eventual goal in the long run,only they will feed it too you more slowly in bites and wait for you to get used to it before incrementally deploying more. The distrust will hopefully plague them for a very long time.

Stuff like that is a grand vision fully embraced by its authors, nobody like that does a complete 180 ever in human history.

The battle over whether or not you own the things you buy is not over. I guarantee they are still planning on realizing that iron fisted vision only more sneaky and covertly. Nobody likes being told NO, least of all the big bad Microsoft.

 

[dguy6789]

The console market is just behind the times. The entire Xbox One launch announcement fiasco was nothing more than saying that it was going to be a console that worked exactly like Steam. They just failed miserably at communicating the gigantic advantages and conveniences that it would have enabled and made it sound like all it did was create limitations and remove control from the user.

I don't sell games just like I don't sell books. I've never felt the need or desire to be able to sell games I have bought on Steam.

Personally, I think it'd be really cool to be able to go to the store and buy a game, install it, then be able to uninstall and reinstall as much as I want forever without ever having to use the disc again or worry about it breaking or getting lost or wearing out. I have every Steam game I have ever bought still ready for use any time I want. I do not still have every console game or PC game or PC game serial number that I have ever bought.

It would also be cool to go to a buddy's house that doesn't have the game and just log into my account and download and play it over there.

I also wish I could just say "Xbox go to Killer Instinct" then "Xbox go to Forza Motorsport 5" then "Xbox go to Call of Duty Ghosts" then "Xbox go to Titanfall" to switch games as seamlessly as Steam without having to get off my couch and swap discs.

Some people will say "well you can if you buy them all digital" but the point is you would have been able to even if you bought the games on disc.

 

[purbeast0]

There isn't anything to repair. We know at this point the totalitarian direction they want to go.

Anything they say or do now is just a cover up. Its politics. They know they moved too fast too soon, and no matter what they say or do now to ease the pain its just licking the wounds while still having their eyes on the same eventual goal in the long run,only they will feed it too you more slowly in bites and wait for you to get used to it before incrementally deploying more. The distrust will hopefully plague them for a very long time.

Stuff like that is a grand vision fully embraced by its authors, nobody like that does a complete 180 ever in human history.

The battle over whether or not you own the things you buy is not over. I guarantee they are still planning on realizing that iron fisted vision only more sneaky and covertly. Nobody likes being told NO, least of all the big bad Microsoft.

i don't really see anything wrong with the direction they wanted to go. all they wanted to do was basically go always online, digital games only ,with kinect mandatory since it's integrated so much with the console.

just many people did not want that at this time which goes to show you that digital games only aren't really close to being a reality. same with always online, which would alienate a ton of people as well.

 

[smackababy]

The console market is just behind the times. The entire Xbox One launch announcement fiasco was nothing more than saying that it was going to be a console that worked exactly like Steam. They just failed miserably at communicating the gigantic advantages and conveniences that it would have enabled and made it sound like all it did was create limitations and remove control from the user.

I don't sell games just like I don't sell books. I've never felt the need or desire to be able to sell games I have bought on Steam.

Personally, I think it'd be really cool to be able to go to the store and buy a game, install it, then be able to uninstall and reinstall as much as I want forever without ever having to use the disc again or worry about it breaking or getting lost or wearing out. I have every Steam game I have ever bought still ready for use any time I want. I do not still have every console game or PC game or PC game serial number that I have ever bought.

It would also be cool to go to a buddy's house that doesn't have the game and just log into my account and download and play it over there.

I also wish I could just say "Xbox go to Killer Instinct" then "Xbox go to Forza Motorsport 5" then "Xbox go to Call of Duty Ghosts" then "Xbox go to Titanfall" to switch games as seamlessly as steam without having to get off my couch and swap discs.

Some people will say "well you can if you buy them all digital" but the point is you would have been able to even if you bought the games on disc.

It is funny because before the Xbox One I thought voice commands were pretty gimmicky. However, after using them, I wish everything supported them. If I could say "PC volume down" and stuff it would be such an amazing thing. I think MS really knocked it out of the park with their OS integration with the Kinect and voice commands.

exdeath is pretty funny though. His entire argument is "OMG MS tried something a lot of people didn't like, and listened to those people! What a terrible company! How dare they change directions because I'm a troglodyte who wasn't going to even buy the console to begin with; of course, that didn't stop me from crying about it!"

 

[dguy6789]

It is funny because before the Xbox One I thought voice commands were pretty gimmicky. However, after using them, I wish everything supported them. If I could say "PC volume down" and stuff it would be such an amazing thing. I think MS really knocked it out of the park with their OS integration with the Kinect and voice commands.

Indeed after saying Xbox On to turn my console on so much I find myself wanting to be able to say laptop on or something every time I walk into my office haha

 

[digiram]

Indeed after saying Xbox On to turn my console on so much I find myself wanting to be able to say laptop on or something every time I walk into my office haha

Seriously, I'll be at my parents trying to find the remote and wishing i can say.. TV on.. lol

 

[EightySix Four]

Seriously, I'll be at my parents trying to find the remote and wishing i can say.. TV on.. lol

On more than one occasion I have tried to give orders to someone else's TV and it didn't work. It was very disappointing.

 

[American Gunner]

I am going to ignore the obvious baiting to try to start up the stupid battle about the original plans for the console. They have changed, so some people either need to move on or just keep their opinions to themselves because all it does it start fights. With that said, I am grown to love the voice commands. I don't really care for the Netflix UI on the XB1 compared to the UI on my ps4, but I find myself using the xbox one more purely because I can turn the controller off and just use my voice commands. If I were to do that with the weak battery life in my ps4 controller, I would have to charge it every other day.

 

[SaurusX]

The battle over whether or not you own the things you buy is not over. I guarantee they are still planning on realizing that iron fisted vision only more sneaky and covertly. Nobody likes being told NO, least of all the big bad Microsoft.

I completely agree. Yes, MS did a turnaround, but their grand vision is still in place, just delayed. Everything that people threw a fit about will still come to pass, but MS will put it to a slow boil so that the shock of it all at once won't cause blowback.

The idea that you can actually own a copy of their intellectual property and do with it as you wish doesn't sit well with certain companies. They need control and a "Steam-like" service will be just that.

Let me pose this scenario: Suppose that MS had already implemented their digital-only dream for the X360 generation. Those games would not be playable on the the Xbone and how long do you think MS would keep the X360 servers turned on for the downloads? Forever? Keep in mind they're ending support of Windows XP very soon.

 

[smackababy]

I completely agree. Yes, MS did a turnaround, but their grand vision is still in place, just delayed. Everything that people threw a fit about will still come to pass, but MS will put it to a slow boil so that the shock of it all at once won't cause blowback.

The idea that you can actually own a copy of their intellectual property and do with it as you wish doesn't sit well with certain companies. They need control and a "Steam-like" service will be just that.

Let me pose this scenario: Suppose that MS had already implemented their digital-only dream for the X360 generation. Those games would not be playable on the the Xbone and how long do you think MS would keep the X360 servers turned on for the downloads? Forever? Keep in mind they're ending support of Windows XP very soon.

XP released in 2002 and is entirely different than keeping up a server with the games hosted on it. They are ending support of XP because they maintain it's security integrity. How long to you expect them to continue to update a legacy system?

Also, this idea that it is MS' grand vision to treat console software like literally every other piece of software sold on the planet is pretty silly. But, I guess haters gonna hate. Enjoy your discs, they won't be around for long.

 

[exdeath]

XP released in 2002 and is entirely different than keeping up a server with the games hosted on it. They are ending support of XP because they maintain it's security integrity. How long to you expect them to continue to update a legacy system?

Also, this idea that it is MS' grand vision to treat console software like literally every other piece of software sold on the planet is pretty silly. But, I guess haters gonna hate. Enjoy your discs, they won't be around for long.

When discs and carts go away and the only option is DRMed out the wazoo digital cloud content, all my games will be pirated local copies that can run stand alone till the end of time without authentication.

Don't worry, the hacker community will come together with multiplayer servers and VPN solutions to bypass XBL.

Ill never accept that software is such a special unique flower that consumer rights and ownership can be ignored unlike every other product freely bought and sold in a free market.

 

[SaurusX]

Also, this idea that it is MS' grand vision to treat console software like literally every other piece of software sold on the planet is pretty silly. But, I guess haters gonna hate. Enjoy your discs, they won't be around for long.

You have a very generous view of MS's behavior. Nothing in their past has ever indicated an altruistic philosophy towards any type of software user. What makes gamers so special to them? If anything we're insects compared to their enterprise customers.

There've been countless download services that have sprung up and subsequently folded after telling customers that once you buy a title you own it forever. Even Google has done it with their Google Video service. Their response is always, "sorry!" Putting all your virtual eggs in one virtual basket is a terrible idea.

I own an xbox and a 360, so I hardly qualify as a hater. I'm just calling a spade a spade. Keepin' it realz.

 

[Arkaign]

It's just a fact that the Internet situation is unworkable for the industry to move all digital for console games in the USA. Increasing game sizes, more bandwidth caps coming every year, tens of millions with no real high speed access, it's going to be 15-20 years before dd only is workable.

The question will be financial. Producers of 75m+ AAA titles will ask themselves : How many customers won't be able to download this 80gb game? How many lost sales? If the answer is more than the value gained by not selling the disc, they won't do it.

The near to mid future will be disc AND digital, not just one or the other. It's idiocy to expect that when there is no financial reason to drop a revenue stream that large.

 

[smackababy]

You have a very generous view of MS's behavior. Nothing in their past has ever indicated an altruistic philosophy towards any type of software user. What makes gamers so special to them? If anything we're insects compared to their enterprise customers.

There've been countless download services that have sprung up and subsequently folded after telling customers that once you buy a title you own it forever. Even Google has done it with their Google Video service. Their response is always, "sorry!" Putting all your virtual eggs in one virtual basket is a terrible idea.

I own an xbox and a 360, so I hardly qualify as a hater. I'm just calling a spade a spade. Keepin' it realz.

Nothing I said suggested any altruistic nature of MS at all (if we don't account for the 28+ billion Bill Gates himself has donated to his charity). MS didn't conceive this idea that software is licensed, not sold as a real good. Gamers are no different, except they scream and cry because it has become easy to enforce what software vendors already have been doing on PC for 20 years.

The same cries were heard when Valve announced Steam. And those same people making the biggest stink are not the largest Valve fanboys. If you think Valve has anything other than making money in mind, you're sadly mistaken.

And, your comparison of an Xbox 360 server holding copies of games is so vastly not comparable to supporting an entire operation system.

MS jumped the gun on their Xbox One being DD only. You can bet the next generation of consoles won't support discs for anything other than content distribution similar to PCs. It will hold the data, but the license require will be tied to you, not the disc. You can throw it away afterwards and be just fine.

 

[SaurusX]

Well, we'll see if Microsoft is even interested in maintaining a presence in the console space at the end of this generation. And that's the rub of it for me... I simply don't trust a company to hold onto my games (MY GAMES that I paid for) for me in perpetuity. They can change their mind about their industry goals, just go belly up, or whatever. Not even financial institutions stick around forever. Imagine if Atari had the tech to do DD only back in the 70's. Those games would be gone.

 

[American Gunner]

Did we time warp back to June? Just wondering, because this is exactly what this forum sounded like back then. But since then, MS has changed their tune and is working overtime to win back gamers. If you have no interest in a MS console and no plans of buying one, why are you venturing into a thread purely about a MS console?

 

[ImpulsE69]

It's just a fact that the Internet situation is unworkable for the industry to move all digital for console games in the USA. Increasing game sizes, more bandwidth caps coming every year, tens of millions with no real high speed access, it's going to be 15-20 years before dd only is workable.

The question will be financial. Producers of 75m+ AAA titles will ask themselves : How many customers won't be able to download this 80gb game? How many lost sales? If the answer is more than the value gained by not selling the disc, they won't do it.

The near to mid future will be disc AND digital, not just one or the other. It's idiocy to expect that when there is no financial reason to drop a revenue stream that large.

One could question this though. Steam has done very well for itself (in terms of users and downloads), but one could argue that anything that is AAA is console first, PC second, so it's just added money rather than relying on PC sales. I do think that if MS or Sony were to go all digital, that would segment the market significantly because there would be very little to no competition for exclusives and they would have little incentive to lower/compete in pricing..which no matter what line the company tows, is exactly what they want.

 

[purbeast0]

i was just playing titanfall a little and i was using a controller that is out of batteries but i had it wired. it kept dropping out. i did have the dead batteries in it still so maybe it kept trying to run off of a charge or something and dropped out. has anyone experienced this before?

 

[Arkaign]

Yeap, that's the interesting thing about PC. Steam is big, but it's dominated by non-AAA games for the most part, things that are fairly smallish in size compared to major console releases. And of course there are still PC games even at WalMart on DVD due to the bandwidth problem that many face.

Steam / etc would be ubiquitous if the infrastructure could support it, but as it stands there are a certain number of people who are unreachable with it in a total manner.

There are a fairly large number of people in the uncomfortable 'mediocre' zone. What I mean by that is ~6mbit and under connections that even at their best aren't too hot, and a lot of families have to share these, so say someone with a typical garbage 1.5mbit line (I personally know of a heap of these exact people, even in nice new developments, and there is no option for better speed where they're at), yeah their kid will be in trouble trying to grab that Halo 5 @ 44GB. At best it will take many, many days, and that's if nobody else is using any bandwidth. A 1.5mbit line is barely enough to scratch along a decent Netflix film in sub-DVD quality.

These are the people that can use Steam + little games, or XBL + the games that they buy retail, but who can't DD anything full-scale.

 

[Staples]

Were they not direct and honest? I mean, they came out with guns blazing and pretty headstrong. People reacted negatively to the news and they backed down. Unless there was some hidden thing they weren't telling us (perhaps the overall goal that we all knew about anyway). Their mistake was the headstrong part and their attitude about the whole thing when people railed against them, not the information they passed.

I prefer companies tell it like it is. I get tired of political PC bs and market speak.

They were not straight forward at all about anything.

After e3, everyone wanted to know if they could resell their games. Ms was silent until days later after so much bad press, one of their heads said there would be a way to resell them with a fee but said nothing more than that.

The fee? Rebuy the game. There was never a method to resell the games. No matter how you look at it, they were not straight forward.

My other bone about the x1 is that they never offered any details on their family sharing and because of this, you still have a bunch of idiots arguing that only one person would have to buy the game and he would now be able to play online with 9 of his buddies. What an idiotic delusion some people have. There is zero way sharing would work anything like that.

And people will say MS buckled under the pressure and did a 180. All true but a big part of the pressure was that they assumed PS4 would have the same DRM and they would be competing for the same user base. As they found out, PS4 was NOT playing the DRM game like they had assumed and because of this, PS4 would have had several times the user base and the X1. I have not seen any evidence to support this theory but it makes perfect sense as what pushed them over the top for their 180.

 

[EightySix Four]

The fee? Rebuy the game. There was never a method to resell the games. No matter how you look at it, they were not straight forward.

They said that the game licenses could be transferred once with no fee or anything else IIRC.

My other bone about the x1 is that they never offered any details on their family sharing and because of this, you still have a bunch of idiots arguing that only one person would have to buy the game and he would now be able to play online with 9 of his buddies. What an idiotic delusion some people have. There is zero way sharing would work anything like that.

They made it pretty clear that one person could purchase the game and share with up to 9 people but that two people couldn't play at the same time.

 

[Staples]

They made it pretty clear that one person could purchase the game and share with up to 9 people but that two people couldn't play at the same time.

I don't remember them giving any details about it, even now none exist. But you do have a realistic view of how the sharing would work.

 

[exdeath]

Whoa. Was at Target checking out game sales and they had two brand new sealed XB One Day One Editions in stock. How the hell?